I would vote for Gore myself, but wouldn't he lose due to voters associating him with the disgraced Clinton?I honestly did not notice that until after I posted it. I picked it because Bill and Monica's affair ended in March 1997, I needed a date about 9 months after then for Clinton's resignation (the idea being the birth of this baby is what makes the backlash big enough for the Democratic leadership to turn on Clinton), and November 22 was just the date I picked.
Well myself, I think Gore is almost certain to run; he probably wins too. Actually, I think I'll make a follow up infobox of that election later today.
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It's certainly possible, but I think Gore would win. You must remember voters have very short memories, and there is a solid 3 years for Gore to make his own impression among the American electorate as an incumbent, something he could not do IOTL (and of course, he has the good economy propping him up). Just to use the obvious comparison, Gerald Ford only just lost to Carter, and he had a sluggish economy, only 2 years as an incumbent, and made a titanic gaffe in a debate.
“People forget, but there wasn’t much of a UEG military back then, except for the Navy. The burden of that war, the ground war, landed on national troops. Young guys, Earth-born guys, who then came home from a far-away war, and a lot of them came home to families that didn’t understand and communities that didn’t care. Organizations that tried to screw them out of pay and benefits and wring out every last drop from them. And you know, the history books say the war ended in 2109. But the war didn’t really end there, not in fact and not in the minds of the guys who came back. And over and over again, you see the same thing. Small little wars that no one cares about. Except they’re not small. Not to the men and women who fight them. Who bleed and die and leave pieces of themselves out there near far-away stars. So you had a lot of guys looking for something that nobody would or could give them. So they found the guys that were like them. I found the guys who were like me. Found the brotherhood, the family, we were missing. And tried to find some peace on wide-open roads under unspoiled skies.” - Statement given by Manuel “Manny” Torres, first president of the Veteran Riders Association, in an interview with Endless Roads intrazine about the formation of colonial veteran biker culture in the aftermath of the 2108 Colonial Rebellion. Torres was US Marine infantryman with the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, and served from 2106-2110. He received the Medal of Honor for heroism during the conflict on Ashoka. He was also one of inaugural Star of Terra recipients after its creation by the Alliance of Terran States.
“In a lot of ways it was a slap in the face. But the outlaws, I understood. Even sympathized. The guys who turned to crime, that was shameful. A disgrace. I don’t agree with it, I don’t support it. But even that...that I understood too.” - Manny Torres on outlaw and criminal outlaw veteran motorcycle clubs, from the same interview.
“Is it hate? All I’m saying is that it’s a lot of boys from from the Americas, Africa, Russia and the middle and outer colonies that do the dying while the superpowers’ armies get cushy assignments to the core. So yeah, maybe there’s some resentment there.” - Marcus “Big Mark” Alvarez, former Vice President of the Hate and Discontent MC’s Coondapoor, Campbell chapter, in a rare interview with a journalist. This was a response to a question about anti-Chinese and anti-Indian sentiment in veteran outlaw motorcycle clubs.
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Veteran outlaw motorcycle clubs are a motorcycle subculture that developed out of already existing motorcycle and outlaw motorcycle culture. The colonial veteran motorcycle culture, both Veteran Riders Association-sanctioned and outlaw, developed out of the aftermath of the 2108 Rebellion, and the subsequent reorganization of the United Earth Government into the Alliance of Terran States. The passage of the Alliance Veteran’s Assistance Act in 2113 is also considered an important factor in the growth of sanctioned and outlaw clubs.
Prior to 2120, the vast majority of veteran motorcycle clubs that existed in the colonies were governed by the VRA. However, several clubs grew more and more opposed to control of the Association, and many of these began to become involved in criminal activities. This led to the 2120 expulsion of several clubs from the VRA, in an effort spearheaded by then-VRA President Manuel Torres, and the “official” creation of “outlaw” veteran motorcycle clubs.
As the name makes clear, veteran OMCs recruit exclusively from former Alliance and Adelaide Treaty military personnel. The vast majority of outlaw clubs tend to narrow their recruitment even further to combat arms troops. Many outlaw clubs also do not allow Indian and Chinese military personnel to join, and many also do not allow women as “patched” members. While not all outlaw clubs engage in criminal activity, many are vast organized crime syndicates, leading to them becoming targets of law enforcement, with varying degrees of success.
Below is a list of all current notable (defined as clubs with more than one chapter) veteran OMCs.
“In a lot of ways it was a slap in the face. But the outlaws, I understood. Even sympathized. The guys who turned to crime, that was shameful. A disgrace. I don’t agree with it, I don’t support it. But even that...that I understood too.” - Manny Torres on outlaw and criminal outlaw veteran motorcycle clubs, from the same interview.
“Is it hate? All I’m saying is that it’s a lot of boys from from the Americas, Africa, Russia and the middle and outer colonies that do the dying while the superpowers’ armies get cushy assignments to the core. So yeah, maybe there’s some resentment there.” - Marcus “Big Mark” Alvarez, former Vice President of the Hate and Discontent MC’s Coondapoor, Campbell chapter, in a rare interview with a journalist. This was a response to a question about anti-Chinese and anti-Indian sentiment in veteran outlaw motorcycle clubs.
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Veteran outlaw motorcycle clubs are a motorcycle subculture that developed out of already existing motorcycle and outlaw motorcycle culture. The colonial veteran motorcycle culture, both Veteran Riders Association-sanctioned and outlaw, developed out of the aftermath of the 2108 Rebellion, and the subsequent reorganization of the United Earth Government into the Alliance of Terran States. The passage of the Alliance Veteran’s Assistance Act in 2113 is also considered an important factor in the growth of sanctioned and outlaw clubs.
Prior to 2120, the vast majority of veteran motorcycle clubs that existed in the colonies were governed by the VRA. However, several clubs grew more and more opposed to control of the Association, and many of these began to become involved in criminal activities. This led to the 2120 expulsion of several clubs from the VRA, in an effort spearheaded by then-VRA President Manuel Torres, and the “official” creation of “outlaw” veteran motorcycle clubs.
As the name makes clear, veteran OMCs recruit exclusively from former Alliance and Adelaide Treaty military personnel. The vast majority of outlaw clubs tend to narrow their recruitment even further to combat arms troops. Many outlaw clubs also do not allow Indian and Chinese military personnel to join, and many also do not allow women as “patched” members. While not all outlaw clubs engage in criminal activity, many are vast organized crime syndicates, leading to them becoming targets of law enforcement, with varying degrees of success.
Below is a list of all current notable (defined as clubs with more than one chapter) veteran OMCs.
That is very nice, LL
Hate and Discontent is a very appropriate name, I love it
Hate and Discontent is a very appropriate name, I love it
In OTL both of the Titanic's "sister ships" (if my memory serves me correctly, the Olympia and Britannic) saw service in WWI. Is this the case for TTL's Titanic?
Zioneer
Banned
Following the War of the Churches, it would not be until July 2028 that Prince Ata would be formerly crowned as King Tupou VII, and by then, he was leading only half a nation. Still, the Mormon population of his shrunken kingdom was fanatically loyal to him, and they swore loyalty to the new King and his only child and heir apparent, Prince Ata Alma, partially named after a prophetic figure from the Book of Mormon named Alma the Younger. The new Crown Prince quickly became affectionately known as "Ata the Younger" for his two namesakes.
Thanks Mike!
It's a phrase you'll hear a lot when you hang around grunts.
It's also a coffee!
THIS IS DEWEY COUNTRY Ep.2 - An alternate timeline of the events after the 1948 election
November 5th, 1952
As the dust settles, it's clear that this has been one of the most, if not THE most, close election in American history.
Incumbent Thomas E. Dewey, re-nominated by his party earlier in the summer, has won by a single electoral vote, and nearly lost the popular vote, surpassing his opponent, Democratic nominee and Senator from Tennessee Estes Kefauver, by only 257,802 votes nationwide.
Opposed to four years earlier, when it was clear Dewey had won early in the night, this time a victor was not declared until around mid-day EST. Although every poll predicted a very close race, nobody thought the suspense would last so long, until Ohio was finally called for Dewey.
Still being re-elected, this is a very short victory for Dewey, for a bunch of reasons, including his first term performance and it's consequences, the loss of a strong popular mandate and the majority in Congress, plus the embarrassment of winning so closely after the 1948 landslide and the smack that consisted in losing California, Dewey's running mate and incumbent Vice-President Earl Warren's home state, to Kefauver, who won it by a mere 1%.
In fact, Dewey's first term was quite uneasy, to say the least.
Dewey, being a liberal Est Coast Republican with some progressive policies struggled to pass legislation in a Congress dominated by conservative Republicans led by Ohio Senator Robert A. Taft. So much so that to keep some of his liberal campaign promises and not look as a lying opportunistic, he had to compromise with some wings of the Democratic Party. Some of the legislation he passed consisted in desegregating the Army, a policy that even former president Harry Truman (which had been re-elected to the Senate in the 1950 midterms) supported (some say out of interest to save some of the black vote from Dewey) and a small array of moderate and cut versions of the New Deal. Dewey's collaboration with the Democrats was so close (because he so much needed it) that some argued if the President wasn't in the wrong party. Conservative Republicans felt uneasy and some newspapers dubbed him the Closet Donkey.
But the major issue of the election was without a doubt the ongoing Korean War, a conflict which had sparked right in the middle of Dewey's term when North Korea invaded South Korea. The latter being a close ally of the USA, it was expected the administration to respond quickly in favor of the South. However, Dewey hesitated for several weeks before finally taking action, urged by the Un Security Council. The war had dragged on until the election, but significant Allied victories recuperated a bit of the lost popularity, and the firing of General Douglas McArthur by Dewey, after the general's plans were released to the press by the White House, was seen as a good move and was quite approved by the voters.
The Democrats saw in Dewey's many weaknesses the perfect time and chance to win the presidency back. Excited by the victory in the 1950 Midterms, where they regained both the House and Senate, they nominated the by then nation-wide popular Senator from Tennessee Estes Kefauver for president and the Governor of Illinois Adlai Stevenson the IInd for vice-president. Kefauver and Stevenson made a strange, but working couple; while Stevenson was seen as the intellectual voice of the campaign, the one that brought the cold facts to the debate, Kefauver was the incendiary speaker that toured the country.
Again, polls predicted a very close race, and some had Dewey winning the Electoral College but losing the Popular Vote. However, this very narrowly didn't happen.
The strong economy provided the final boost to make a second term happen.
The voter turnout spiked by a stunning 10.9%, favoring both candidates almost evenly, with a slight edge for Kefauver, that made the popular vote as close as we have seen. Dewey turnout was driven by the will of maintaining the status quo and leadership during wartime, and Kefauver turnout sought to instead break that status quo, with a charismatic figure upfront like the Tennessee Senator.
Fun fact: both candidates were actively involved in the fight against organized crime.
Now Dewey has to lead the country for a second term, but this time, without the support of a strong mandate, with the eroding support of the conservative wing of his party and a very energized Democratic Party and majority in Congress, it seems that trouble is ahead for the 34th.
November 5th, 1952
As the dust settles, it's clear that this has been one of the most, if not THE most, close election in American history.
Incumbent Thomas E. Dewey, re-nominated by his party earlier in the summer, has won by a single electoral vote, and nearly lost the popular vote, surpassing his opponent, Democratic nominee and Senator from Tennessee Estes Kefauver, by only 257,802 votes nationwide.
Opposed to four years earlier, when it was clear Dewey had won early in the night, this time a victor was not declared until around mid-day EST. Although every poll predicted a very close race, nobody thought the suspense would last so long, until Ohio was finally called for Dewey.
Still being re-elected, this is a very short victory for Dewey, for a bunch of reasons, including his first term performance and it's consequences, the loss of a strong popular mandate and the majority in Congress, plus the embarrassment of winning so closely after the 1948 landslide and the smack that consisted in losing California, Dewey's running mate and incumbent Vice-President Earl Warren's home state, to Kefauver, who won it by a mere 1%.
In fact, Dewey's first term was quite uneasy, to say the least.
Dewey, being a liberal Est Coast Republican with some progressive policies struggled to pass legislation in a Congress dominated by conservative Republicans led by Ohio Senator Robert A. Taft. So much so that to keep some of his liberal campaign promises and not look as a lying opportunistic, he had to compromise with some wings of the Democratic Party. Some of the legislation he passed consisted in desegregating the Army, a policy that even former president Harry Truman (which had been re-elected to the Senate in the 1950 midterms) supported (some say out of interest to save some of the black vote from Dewey) and a small array of moderate and cut versions of the New Deal. Dewey's collaboration with the Democrats was so close (because he so much needed it) that some argued if the President wasn't in the wrong party. Conservative Republicans felt uneasy and some newspapers dubbed him the Closet Donkey.
But the major issue of the election was without a doubt the ongoing Korean War, a conflict which had sparked right in the middle of Dewey's term when North Korea invaded South Korea. The latter being a close ally of the USA, it was expected the administration to respond quickly in favor of the South. However, Dewey hesitated for several weeks before finally taking action, urged by the Un Security Council. The war had dragged on until the election, but significant Allied victories recuperated a bit of the lost popularity, and the firing of General Douglas McArthur by Dewey, after the general's plans were released to the press by the White House, was seen as a good move and was quite approved by the voters.
The Democrats saw in Dewey's many weaknesses the perfect time and chance to win the presidency back. Excited by the victory in the 1950 Midterms, where they regained both the House and Senate, they nominated the by then nation-wide popular Senator from Tennessee Estes Kefauver for president and the Governor of Illinois Adlai Stevenson the IInd for vice-president. Kefauver and Stevenson made a strange, but working couple; while Stevenson was seen as the intellectual voice of the campaign, the one that brought the cold facts to the debate, Kefauver was the incendiary speaker that toured the country.
Again, polls predicted a very close race, and some had Dewey winning the Electoral College but losing the Popular Vote. However, this very narrowly didn't happen.
The strong economy provided the final boost to make a second term happen.
The voter turnout spiked by a stunning 10.9%, favoring both candidates almost evenly, with a slight edge for Kefauver, that made the popular vote as close as we have seen. Dewey turnout was driven by the will of maintaining the status quo and leadership during wartime, and Kefauver turnout sought to instead break that status quo, with a charismatic figure upfront like the Tennessee Senator.
Fun fact: both candidates were actively involved in the fight against organized crime.
Now Dewey has to lead the country for a second term, but this time, without the support of a strong mandate, with the eroding support of the conservative wing of his party and a very energized Democratic Party and majority in Congress, it seems that trouble is ahead for the 34th.
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Yes, your memory serves you correctly! And yes, MTL Titanic serves as a transport/medical ship during ww1 between Italy-UK-USA, tho avoiding the fate of the Britannic.
An update to the TL visible here, which I had forgotten about for a while.
2006 general election
The Social Democrats finally had their first taste of real majority power and they were enjoying it. Thanks in part to a booming economy, the new government increased public spending on education, welfare and health to levels not seen since the 1960s. They also worked on reversing the controversial policies of the previous Conservative government, revoking Section 28 and eliminating tuition fees for those from families on low income. It wasn't surprising that they, and Prime Minister Kennedy, were enjoying record polling for an incumbent government after a year in power. What boosted the party further was the merger with the Liberal Party, which granted the governing party 3 additional MPs as well large swathes of campaigning resources across the country. The newly-formed Democratic Party stretched across the centre of the political spectrum – and it showed no signs of slowing down.
The Tories, who had been hoping to ensure Kennedy would remain in Number Ten for just a single term, remained ravaged by infighting. A bitter leadership contest was won by Malcolm Rifkind close ally of outgoing leader Ken Clarke, defeating Michael Howard in the final vote by a slim margin. As a sign of unity, Howard was named Rifkind's deputy and Shadow Chancellor. Promising to modernise the party, Rifkind changed the structure of future leadership elections, allowing any MP who won support from 25% of the parliamentary party to stand in a final ballot amongst party members. He wanted to make the Tory Party more open and transparent and even touted the prospect of shadow cabinet elections, though this was ultimately rejected by the party's Executive Committee. Rifkind's attempt to appear modern and moderate failed to filter through to the electorate, with the party trailing in the polls for virtually all of the parliamentary term and it was generally believed that Rifkind was too old to really inspire anyone to swap from the popular incumbent Democrats. What Rifkind did succeed in doing was stop the squeeze on the right from Nigel Farage's Reform Party (and additionally bring back some of his own Eurosceptic MPs on board) with his pledges that any future European Union Treaty would need to be validated by a referendum and that a future Conservative government would renegotiate the terms of Britain's membership of the EU.
Labour opted to oust leader Robin Cook, who had failed to impress in his short time as leader, in 2004, but found themselves utterly bereft of talent in the Commons. Michael Meacher, the faithful left-winger who had been Tony Benn's aide during his time in charge of the party, was elected as Cook's replacement unopposed and vowed to bring success to the party by being radical where the other parties were afraid to be. This involved vowing to hold a referendum of Britain's EU membership, renationalise the railways, energy and water sector and implement the STV voting system for parliamentary elections. Unfortunately for Labour, this did not do enough to win over support from the left of the Democratic Party, and Meacher, like many Labour leaders before him, was considered a failure after polling day.
Ultimately, the Democrats were too popular to be defeated and it was generally accepted in the lead up to the election that they would be returned to government, despite concerning rumours about the Prime Minister's alcoholism being reported by the Daily Mail on polling day. Though the Tories and Labour both increased their vote share, they lost seats thanks mainly to the new parliamentary boundaries which favoured the Government, who would actually make a net gain of four seats, despite a drop in their own support. Declaring that the Government had been overwhelmingly backed by the British public, Kennedy promised on the morning of the election to continue creating "a new Britain". But he would soon face a problem that, for all his political talent, was impossible for him to overcome and that would ultimately doom his premiership.
2006 general election
The Social Democrats finally had their first taste of real majority power and they were enjoying it. Thanks in part to a booming economy, the new government increased public spending on education, welfare and health to levels not seen since the 1960s. They also worked on reversing the controversial policies of the previous Conservative government, revoking Section 28 and eliminating tuition fees for those from families on low income. It wasn't surprising that they, and Prime Minister Kennedy, were enjoying record polling for an incumbent government after a year in power. What boosted the party further was the merger with the Liberal Party, which granted the governing party 3 additional MPs as well large swathes of campaigning resources across the country. The newly-formed Democratic Party stretched across the centre of the political spectrum – and it showed no signs of slowing down.
The Tories, who had been hoping to ensure Kennedy would remain in Number Ten for just a single term, remained ravaged by infighting. A bitter leadership contest was won by Malcolm Rifkind close ally of outgoing leader Ken Clarke, defeating Michael Howard in the final vote by a slim margin. As a sign of unity, Howard was named Rifkind's deputy and Shadow Chancellor. Promising to modernise the party, Rifkind changed the structure of future leadership elections, allowing any MP who won support from 25% of the parliamentary party to stand in a final ballot amongst party members. He wanted to make the Tory Party more open and transparent and even touted the prospect of shadow cabinet elections, though this was ultimately rejected by the party's Executive Committee. Rifkind's attempt to appear modern and moderate failed to filter through to the electorate, with the party trailing in the polls for virtually all of the parliamentary term and it was generally believed that Rifkind was too old to really inspire anyone to swap from the popular incumbent Democrats. What Rifkind did succeed in doing was stop the squeeze on the right from Nigel Farage's Reform Party (and additionally bring back some of his own Eurosceptic MPs on board) with his pledges that any future European Union Treaty would need to be validated by a referendum and that a future Conservative government would renegotiate the terms of Britain's membership of the EU.
Labour opted to oust leader Robin Cook, who had failed to impress in his short time as leader, in 2004, but found themselves utterly bereft of talent in the Commons. Michael Meacher, the faithful left-winger who had been Tony Benn's aide during his time in charge of the party, was elected as Cook's replacement unopposed and vowed to bring success to the party by being radical where the other parties were afraid to be. This involved vowing to hold a referendum of Britain's EU membership, renationalise the railways, energy and water sector and implement the STV voting system for parliamentary elections. Unfortunately for Labour, this did not do enough to win over support from the left of the Democratic Party, and Meacher, like many Labour leaders before him, was considered a failure after polling day.
Ultimately, the Democrats were too popular to be defeated and it was generally accepted in the lead up to the election that they would be returned to government, despite concerning rumours about the Prime Minister's alcoholism being reported by the Daily Mail on polling day. Though the Tories and Labour both increased their vote share, they lost seats thanks mainly to the new parliamentary boundaries which favoured the Government, who would actually make a net gain of four seats, despite a drop in their own support. Declaring that the Government had been overwhelmingly backed by the British public, Kennedy promised on the morning of the election to continue creating "a new Britain". But he would soon face a problem that, for all his political talent, was impossible for him to overcome and that would ultimately doom his premiership.
BlackentheBorg
Banned
"Oh good, a socialist and a muslim, that'll win over blue collar voters!"
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
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"Oh good, a socialist and a muslim, that'll win over blue collar voters!"
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
Death, may you welcome me, and save me from this hell on earth that awaits.
I think that third-party candidates would do much better here than 2016, but this implies the opposite with the vote totals. These nominees are way more controversial than OTL's last election: especially with a neopagan Holocaust denialist leading the Republican ticket.
Zachary VIII
Banned
What an unpleasant scenario."Oh good, a socialist and a muslim, that'll win over blue collar voters!"
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
Just make it quick. Please."Oh good, a socialist and a muslim, that'll win over blue collar voters!"
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
Comrade Izaac
Banned
"Oh good, a socialist and a muslim, that'll win over blue collar voters!"
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
Well, at least we get President AOC out of that living nightmare.
*screams internally*"Oh good, a socialist and a muslim, that'll win over blue collar voters!"
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
*screams externally*
*screams eternally*
Cursed_AH_scenario"Oh good, a socialist and a muslim, that'll win over blue collar voters!"
"LOL at all these libtards getting triggered over him drinking goats blood one time. What, it's not vegan? ROFL!"
"THIS IS THE DEATH KNEEL OF MODERATES!"
"Wait, wasn't his VP pick from the Libertarian party? What?"
"Holy shit my conservative neighbors are outside setting cars on fire."
"I want to go back to 2016 please."
- various comments from online message boards, 2028.
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