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Who would you see having this spot other then a libertarian Democrat?
Why does HHS in particular belong to a libertarian Democrat?

Kinnock would jump at this opportunity like any Brit would to be in a US cabinet.
No he wouldn't, especially while he's leader of the Labour Party.



They are more former contenders who are fit for the job and why shouldn't the president appoint people that want to work hard for the top job?
Because in most cases they're not suited for the job nor do they want the job.
 
I'm not talking about people who were born somewhere else and then came to America. I'm talking about foreign POLITICIANS (ya know, the people who are heavily involved in their country's political process and who were elected to serve in their country). And besides, even if he COULD (without public disapproval) It would be the most absurd thing I have ever seen.
More absurd then an actor or a two term senator becoming President. Why can't a foreign politician hold a less position in the US cabinet

No, he wouldn't. He really wouldn't, as actually reading up on the man would tell you, he was not prepared to abandon his party, one he had just pulled out the rubble and made a fighting force once more, for Biden.

And as a Brit, I can tell you a fair amount of us, if invited to join an American Cabinet, would ask what's wrong with an American doing that job.
In 1988, Kinnock was challenged by Tony Benn for the party leadership and he appeared mired in internal battles after five years of leadership and the Conservatives still dominating the scene and ahead in the opinion polls.

Why does HHS in particular belong to a libertarian Democrat?

No he wouldn't, especially while he's leader of the Labour Party.

Because in most cases they're not suited for the job nor do they want the job.

I personally believe that a libertarian Democrat is the best figure to set policies to protect the health of "all" Americans and generate ideas that are best to provide the best essential human services.

Kinnock is not in the best position in Britain, as I said above.
 
In 1988, Kinnock was challenged by Tony Benn for the party leadership and he appeared mired in internal battles after five years of leadership and the Conservatives still dominating the scene and ahead in the opinion polls.

To give credit where credit's due, these are all real facts, so obviously you've read at least the introductions to the relevant Wikipedia pages. However, the logical connection between "oh shit, we lost an election everyone and their uncle expected us to lose and now the perpetual rebels are rebelling" and "I'm going to bugger off to America, clearly you fucks can run the country into the sea by yourselves" is where my powers of reasoning fail to catch up. IOTL, after seeing off Benn's leadership challenge (which had no real chance of winning), Kinnock decided to put his back into rebuilding Labour's reputation, launching a huge public relations campaign called "Labour Listens" where the party took input from its voters on what it should be, then fought a second campaign in 1992 and came within inches of winning. I feel like when IOTL he reacted to these events by resolving to work harder for his party, ITTL he should decide to throw in the towel just because the American President wants him to come to Washington with him. Let alone why Biden should want to do something so patently ridiculous and completely out of step with convention when there surely would've been someone in the U.S. who could be expected to run the EPA for him.
 

shiftygiant

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In 1988, Kinnock was challenged by Tony Benn for the party leadership and he appeared mired in internal battles after five years of leadership and the Conservatives still dominating the scene and ahead in the opinion polls.
Which is why he won't leave to fuck off to America to be on the Cabinet of some guy he barely knows.

Kinnock was pulling his party back together. He felt it his duty to expel Tendencies, beat off any attempt by the Bennites to bring the Party back to 1983, and make it a fighting force that could oppose Thatcherism and win an election. The poll numbers don't matter in 1988, because for Kinnock the struggle was one of an existential threat facing the movement he was leader of, and one he would see until he himself could no longer fight, or if someone was able to continue his work. He is not, would not, and could not fuck off to America, as this would compromise his principles and morals, as well as his duty to the Party and the movement.

EDIT: To also address another thing, even if we accept the premise 'oh Kinnock was just waiting to drop out', which is bullshit in itself, the moment you bring Benn into the picture, Kinnock will not leave. Kinnock, for everything, will not let the last five years of struggle be reversed. He will not allow the man who wrote the longest suicide note in history, and thus bring the worst results the Party had seen since the 1930's, be his successor- he will either face him in a Leadership election and win, or face him and loose.
 
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To give credit where credit's due, these are all real facts, so obviously you've read at least the introductions to the relevant Wikipedia pages. However, the logical connection between "oh shit, we lost an election everyone and their uncle expected us to lose and now the perpetual rebels are rebelling" and "I'm going to bugger off to America, clearly you fucks can run the country into the sea by yourselves" is where my powers of reasoning fail to catch up. IOTL, after seeing off Benn's leadership challenge (which had no real chance of winning), Kinnock decided to put his back into rebuilding Labour's reputation, launching a huge public relations campaign called "Labour Listens" where the party took input from its voters on what it should be, then fought a second campaign in 1992 and came within inches of winning. I feel like when IOTL he reacted to these events by resolving to work harder for his party, ITTL he should decide to throw in the towel just because the American President wants him to come to Washington with him. Let alone why Biden should want to do something so patently ridiculous and completely out of step with convention when there surely would've been someone in the U.S. who could be expected to run the EPA for him.

Till alla i Labour som sliter i valet,
till Tony som kämpar hårt,
(och har det ganska svårt)
säger han nu drar jag
Vääästeruuuuut,
Nu korsar Mr. Kinnock Atlanten,
så när det åt fanders går,
står han och tittar på,
Vad är Labours ledarskap att ha?
Nu driver Mr. Kinnock EPA!


 
Which is why he won't leave to fuck off to America to be on the Cabinet of some guy he barely knows.

Kinnock was pulling his party back together. He felt it his duty to expel Tendencies, beat off any attempt by the Bennites to bring the Party back to 1983, and make it a fighting force that could oppose Thatcherism and win an election. The poll numbers don't matter in 1988, because for Kinnock the struggle was one of an existential threat facing the movement he was leader of, and one he would see until he himself could no longer fight, or if someone was able to continue his work. He is not, would not, and could not fuck off to America, as this would compromise his principles and morals, as well as his duty to the Party and the movement.
Ladies and gentlemen, the kindest words ever said about Neil Kinnock.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled Spitting Image...

 
I confidently assumed that the Kinnock thing was a joke, nodding towards the Biden plagiarism issue.

Nope, it was a serious thing.

God love you Wikibox thread, God love you. That's all I can say.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
Ladies and gentlemen, the kindest words ever said about Neil Kinnock.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled Spitting Image...

Kinnock was alright. A bit shit, but alright.

Also, for more Kinnock media, and this time not made of rubber:


Peter Mandelson had interesting priorities (though this was likely before he became head of communication, but you know, it's funnier to imagine Mandy convincing him to do this).
Where has this show been all my life... I need more
Youtube; it ran from- and correct me if I'm wrong- 1983 to 1995, so you have a fair few seasons of content.

They would have bought it back too if not for Ant and Dec.
 

Peter Mandelson had interesting priorities (though this was likely before he became head of communication, but you know, it's funnier to imagine Mandy convincing him to do this).

I really, really wish that Thatcher had him beat in the category of "single most bizarre media appearance of a British political party leader" but this is Janet Brown.

 
'Return to normalcy', Hungarian style, in Paper Doves in Flight.

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