Alternate Weapons of War thread...

Now only found in the hands of the Atomic Knights, the last decaying remnants of the old Star Empire, or within the clutches of the lucky adventurers and pirates, the famed atomic blasters are weapons of legend. Long replaced by simpler magnetic sluggers and cheaper laser guns, these mythical weapons were overpowered, with an energy equivalent to the blaze of suns. Capable of melting through Diamantum steel, to incapacitate everything short of a tank and vaporize unarmored targets, nothing handheld in the current era even come close to such output.
Thrusting an highly concentrated and contained radiation beam, the sheer energy delivered was enough to inflict radiation burn and curse the survivor with acute radiation poisoning. Invisible in the void of space, in any atmosphere, the energy cause the environing gas to turn into plasma, rendering the beam visible. Said plasma also shielded the rest of the beam from the exterior and allowed the lethality to be maintained almost without loss of energy.
Their secret came from the fusion battery of the old Atomic Technist Union, the ancient organization with the monopoly on nuclear technology of the old Empire, their feats were never equalized once their secrets were lost, the focalizer and condensator of the atomic blasters are the only thing capable of containing the absurd amount of energy allowed by the fusion batteries. Only a few craftsmen of the Atomic Knights are capable of merely maintaining the weapon, unable to replace any broken pieces.
With their numbers slowly declining as the broken blasters are lost to the world, the rarity of the atomic blasters value have only increased, but also meant that fewer and fewer organization, bar the Atomic Knights, seek such weapons, most peoples willing to put the price are rich nobles and warlords.
It is mind boggling that the Empire used to arm entire divisions with Atomic Rifles and even more that the fusion battery still working today were made to be replaced after only a decade of use. But the true testament to the Empire wealth and prowess were the modest Atomic Pistols, not only did they armed officers, but they were sold to civilians who could afford it and were produced and sold in such high numbers then even a thousand years after the Empire fall, the vast majority of the atomic blasters found in the galaxy are these same pistols.

(OOC: Just a fun project of drawing retro pulp sci-fi guns)
Just a comment, but 100 Petawatts for 1 second is literally about 24 Megatons of TNT, and would require the fusion of multiple tons of material to generate. Unless your beam duration is well under a microsecond, you are talking about doing nuclear levels of damage with each shot
Just a comment, but 100 Petawatts for 1 second is literally about 24 Megatons of TNT, and would require the fusion of multiple tons of material to generate. Unless your beam duration is well under a microsecond, you are talking about doing nuclear levels of damage with each shot
When you say not really alternate, what do you mean? As far as I'm aware Simonov commenced development of their rifle for the gas operated rifle requirement in 1931, and that would eventually result in the Simonov Automatic Rifle model 1936 being accepted for service, beating out a design from the Tokarev bureau. This looks like an internal magazine version of that?
Just a comment, but 100 Petawatts for 1 second is literally about 24 Megatons of TNT, and would require the fusion of multiple tons of material to generate. Unless your beam duration is well under a microsecond, you are talking about doing nuclear levels of damage with each shot
The beam is near instantaneous, under 0.04 microsecond.
Most of the peoples only see the beam when in atmosphere due to the residual heat and gas turning into plasma. The energy dissipation rate, which determine how long the shot is visible, depend on the atmosphere density and gaseous composition.
(Thanks for the math ! Kinda underestimated a Petawatt power :coldsweat: )
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Here is my first (poor) attempt to draw a vehicle in an electronic medium. As in I first drew this ship physically. I kind of tried to make it scaled here but don't think it really worked. It is supposed to be a soft sci-fi spaceship.
I tried to use the colours to show what is closer or farther from the viewer (darker means farther away).
As for technical details this is the Pawn-class Frigate which is circa 100 meters long and has a crew of around 50 people with 10 Marines also on-board. Its main armament are 10 torpedo tubes (5 seen), the ship carries 120 torpedoes. Another main weapon is the 10m long 50cm in diameter triple coilgun turret (which is technically a cruiser armament). There are also 10 dorsal and 8 ventral point defence laser turrets (only half seen). Oh and also its supposed to have wings (thats what that lighter coloured thing in the middle is supposed to be). P-247 happens to be the name of this particular ship.

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Side and Top views of a Knight-Class Destroyer, from the same fleet as the Pawn-class Frigate. It is 250m long and crewed by 200 people, has 40 Marines with 2 AFVs (either Dingo APC or Coyote IFV). Its main weapon is a 100m long and 1m in diameter spinal railgun. There are 9 5m long 30cm in diameter double coilgun turrets. there are 10 laser point defense turrets and 6 torpedo tubes. 60 torpedoes are stored on-board. There are 8 orbital drop-pods (carry 5 marines in power armour) and 2 vehicle drop-pods (each able to carry one AFV, with the APC comfortably carrying 20 men or 10 marines in armour). A hangar carrying a squadron of strike-craft has been removed from the original drawing. Lancelot is the name of this particular ship. Also the Pawn had the number of torpedo tubes raised from 6 to 10 when compared to the original drawing.

Edit: just realised that I drew drop-pods than there was supposed to be. Please imagine seeing one less drop-pod in the image.
New Edit: actually don't do that, just got to change the writing. And just changed it.

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The Bishop-class Cruiser, whose weapons, drop-pods and point defences were heavily increased from the first version (physical drawing) while torpedoes were removed. It is ~500m long with ~500 crew-members. Also carrying 100 Marines and 4 armoured vehicles (according to general regulations, one Wolf Tank and 3 Dingo APCs or Coyote IFVs). 12 drop-pods and 4 vehicle drop-pods. Its main weapon is a 200m long and 2m in diameter spinal railgun. Has 6 triple coilgun turrets on center-line and 4 of the same turrets on the sides of the superstructure. The Coilgun turrets are the same as the one in the Pawn-class Frigates (10m long and 50cm in diameter barrels). 15 center-line laser point-defense turrets and 18 laser point-defense turrets divided equally on the sides of the superstructure. A Hangar holding 3 squadron strike-craft is also included. I have no design for Battleship or Carrier yet, despite having plans to create them.

A continuation to these posts.
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A Rook-class Battleship. (I realized that I was making the hull lines too thick too late so it stayed like that.) Its ~1000 meters long with two 400m long 4m diameter spinal railguns, no torpedoes, ~700 crew, 300 marines, 40 laser point-defense turrets (might add a few more on the "wings"), 26 double gun coilgun turrets (20m long and 1m diameter barrels). 9 of those turrets are on each of the "wings", while 8 of them are centerline. Not counting the bridge-superstructure the ship has a cross-like shape when viewed from the front. Btw I am unsure of what to use the free space in the ventral stern. I am divided over 2 more turrets, a strike-craft hangar or drop-pods.

In addition the naming scheme is as follow:
Due to all these classes being designed and built to be used together and to standardize the navy they all share the theme of being named after chess pieces.
Frigates are the Pawn class and get a designation of P followed by three numbers (therefore the 500th Pawn built would be P-500). There was a proposal to name them after fallen servicemen in the past but it was rejected due to the negative connotations of the word Pawn.
Destroyers are the Knight class and are named after great famed warriors (legendary or historical). The namesakes need not be knights as samurai, Ancient Greek heroes, heroic soldiers from more modern wars, etc are all used. (maybe Generals too)
Cruisers are Bishop class and are named after historical men and woman of faith. This includes bishops, cardinals, popes, Saints, Orthodox patriarchs, Biblical Jewish prophets, Muslim Caliphs, Imams, Buddhist Monks, etc.
Battleships are Rook class and are named after castles, palaces and fortifications.
Carriers are Queen class and named after historical Queens and Empresses or other politically important women.
Not sure about the King piece. Either Emperors, Kings and other men of political importance can be added into carrier or used for star-bases/orbital defenses. Or maybe create a new Rook class heavy cruiser (designating Bishop as a light cruiser) while making the Queen and King as Carrier and Battleship classes (not completely sure if respectively or vice versa). If anybody has a good idea for it feel free.

A continuation to these.

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Some additions to the Rook class Battleship. With 28 new laser turrets on the "wings" (bringing the total up to 68), 18 drop pods and 6 vehicle drop pods. The vehicle drop pods generally holds 3 tanks 3 AFVs, 2 tanks-4 AFVs or 6 AFVs.

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The Queen-class Battlecruiser. While called a battlecruiser, the class is designed with multi -purpose operations in might rather than a role analogous to maritime battlecruisers. The class shares many things with the Rook and can be considered a variant of the Rook.
The class is, like the Rook, ~1000m longs armed with two 400m long 4m diameter spinal railguns. It also shares the same double gun coilgun turrets (20m long and 1m diameter barrels) but lacking the 18 "wing" and 2 aft ventral turrets (remaining with only 6 turrets). It also has 8 torpedo tubes, carrying 80 torpedoes. Also has a large hangar, stretching from one "wing" to the other. This allows it to carry more than a dozen squadrons of strike-craft. The Queen is also designed with 30 drop pods and 10 vehicle drop pods. Vehicle drop pods generally holding 2 tanks 8 AFVs, 4 tanks 6 AFVs or 10 AFVs. Queen shares the 68 laser point-defense turrets of the Rook but has 32 extra on the "wings" where the Rook has coilgun turrers (a total of 100 laser turrets). Queen has a similar crew size to the Rook (including marine compliment).

I'll probably do a King-class Fleet carrier sometime later.
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The independent Republic of Quebec had always a difficult time to assert its dominance over the St-Lawrence gulf. For a long time, the Marine Républicaine Québécoise (Quebec Republican Navy) often had to make due with obsolete and/or small ships that were often not enough to face its rival. The Royal Navy and its Newfoundland ally often deployed their military ships in the gulf while Newfie and British fishermen from the Maritime illegally depleted the fish reserves of the gulf. While early in its independence, their American ally supported Quebec, with time the real politik meant that their support chilled and they aligned with the British interests as long as they did not threatened the small french republic.
To assert dominance, the Quebec Republic invested in a new class of ship: the Voltigeur Class gunboat.
With a 6-inch gun at the bow, quadruple-mount 2 pounder at the rear and single-mount 2 pounder on top, it was so heavily armed that its speed and range was dramatically reduced but since it would only operate within coastal waters it was considered an acceptable trade-off. Barely 2 months after the first three were launched, a Newfie smuggler ring was busted, with two ships disabled, two impounded and one destroyed. As the Captain said: "They were maybe faster then my ship but not my shells", as after three visual and vocal demands and a warning shot, the boats had tried to escape. Even if it had not stopped to rescue and arrest the ships that were damaged or surrendered, he was confident that he would have not left one escape. While the Quebec press was ecstatic, the English and Newfie press were not so happy and while the fair trial did showed that they were indeed guilty and were given a light sentence before being extradited, this incident brought reactions.
Over the course of the years, the Royal Navy increased its presence on this side of the Atlantic with frigates and even a light cruiser. While they didn't expected war, the MRQ still wanted to answer to avoid looking weak. Not wanting to buy bigger ships, it was decided to simply modify the Voltigeur Class with torpedo in order to create a credible threat to the Royal Navy bigger ships. The torpedo boat version of the Voltigeur was considerably cheaper, as it replaced the 6 inch gun with a triple-torpedo mount and a small 4 inch gun at the bow, the quadruple-mount 2 pounder was removed and replaced by a single 2 pounder. This made the torpedo boat version much more lighter and faster then its gunboat counterpart, its also made it cheaper.
Despite the arrival of the first batch of torpedo Voltigeur, the situation would began to warm up slightly. Informal talks through American networks eventually led to the Prince-Edward negotiations and eventually accord in 1925. This meant the depart of the Royal Navy heavier elements, joint patrols and law enforcement and clear zones of authority in the gulf. While many nationalists were disgruntled at the "abandonment of Quebec sovereignty" regarding the gulf of St-Lawrence, the majority of the population were satisfied of the deal.
This meant that the next batch of gunboat Voltigeur were cancelled, with only the more ready elements finished, the only ship of the class built would be the torpedo version. Ironically, due to its higher speed and cheaper cost, it would overtake the gunboat duty of policing the gulf along the British and Newfie navies.

Thanks to its cheap cost of maintenance, its small frame and usefulness, the Voltigeur class would be continuously upgraded and improved until 1947 when it was found that its obsolete design had reached the limit of its capacity. While their role would be divided between fast torpedo boat and frigates, a few Voltigeur of each class would be kept either as museum or training ship.
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With the end of the Voltigeur class, the Republic of Québec had learned its lessons from its first home-built ship. First was to design its ship with a clear goal in mind and second, to design a ship that could work in tandem with the US Navy. With the close US-UK relations, many Quebecois politicians realized that the US-Québec friendship was maybe not a given and some work would be needed to maintain and deepen it. The best way to protect Québec suzerainty in the St-Lawrence gulf was determined as making the gulf a key element of the US strategy.
In 1944, Québec would achieve this political masterstroke by inserting itself in the North American Naval Act of 1944, a new US strategy to protect "the coast and territorial integrity of the USA and its continental allies". It signed in parallel the St-Lawrence Joint Defence Initiative where the defense of this key artery of the continent would be the duty of Québec and the US, with the UK and Newfoundland being only observatory due to their own web of alliances. One of the key role of Québec in this new world was the anti-submarine warfare, both to play on each co-belligerent strength and to avoid menacing the UK and Newfoundland possessions.

This led to the first design of the future Tadoussac Frigate, at first it was supposed to only be armed of a single 47 gun and the newly designed hedgehog ASW weapon. But the Québecois sailors, used to the depth charges, were not impressed by the hedgehog. It is true that the first version was finicky and dangerous to load, but part of it was also due to the need to train with a different system: having to "pin-point" the enemy instead of just dumping large barrels of TNT in a general vicinity. So the naval engineers also added a depth charge ramp behind the ship in addition of the hedgehogs as a compromise. Eventually, two 50. cal and a 30-06 browning were added for close protection.

Launching in 1947, the Tadoussac, the first vessel of the Class, was the biggest ship indigenous of Québec and thus, both its admiral ship and training platform. It performed admirably well but in 1951, the ship would receive two Mark 43 ASW torpedo launchers, courtesy of the Americans, to increase its lethality. Four more ships would join the MRQ (Marine Républicaine Québécoise/Quebec Republican Navy): Stadacona, Hochelaga, Saguenay and Shawinigan. These would form the core of the MRQ as well as the official ASW support for the joint defense of the St-Lawrence co-jointly with the USN.
Despite being designed as ASW Frigate from the start, they would also serve as long-range patrol boats and support small torpedo-boat flotilla with the task of patrolling Québec's shores, supporting the also newly created Garde-côte (Coast-guard) police force.

In 1955, the American pushed for Québec to improve their frigate with newer ASW weapons, mainly to buy their Alpha Weapon, a heavy mortar but, in a twist of faith, the Québecois sailors had grew to like the hedgehog and its multiple tubes so the single mouth Alpha was seen as a step back. Eventually, after a few months of research, even briefly considering the British Limbo mortar, realpolitik dictated the MRQ needs and the Alpha was installed on the rotating platform.
In 1958 the new weapon system was integrated to the ship systems and two more Tadoussac class would be built (Rimouski and Gaspé) with the new weapon and through the years, the five earlier ships would be upgraded too. This would mark the end of the designs changes for nearly 20 years and the seven ships would stay as Québec ship-of-the-line until the electronics advance in both radar and communication seemed to doom the Tadoussac Class.

But a nation with a limited budget has the choice to either dither or innovate and amidst a budget heavy with social programs, Québec decided to keep the Tadoussac class way further then its expected shelve life. The electronics and communication improvement program of the Tadoussac would take years but eventually in 1977, the class namesake would be fully upgraded with a new mast to support the new antennas. A main problem would be however spotted: the exhaust was fouling the delicate dishes and causing issues. This would lead to both the installation of filters and new, cleaner, diesel engines, forcing further delays in upgrades. It would be at the beginning of 1980's that all the ships were upgraded but the hulls were showing their age and in 1987, the Stadacona would be declared un-seaworthy during a dry dock examination due to water infiltration. Further check-up on the other ship of the class would reveal that the Stadacona, Saguenay, Shawinigan and Hochelaga were also at their structural limit. It was thus decided to work on a new, advanced, design for the next Québec ASW Frigate. Two years later, the Tadoussac, Rimouski and Gaspé were decommissioned, announcing the end of a class of ships that saw 40 years of loyal service.
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M38 Grenade Launcher
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Italian grenade launcher first issued to troops in 1938, the M38 was a simpler, lighter and a reasonably more practical weapon than the M28 (it's predecessor) and was issued to elite Paratroopers of the "Nembo" and "Folgore" divisions.

The M29 inspired many copycats including the German Sturmpistole 41 and the US M79.

A semi copy of the Italian M38 grenade launcher, the German ATP-41 was first issued to troops in mid 1942 Russian records show numerous reports about the weapon from Soviet troops who fought at Stalingrad where the STP-41 was used to great effect.
Allied troops in the Western theater did not encounter the STP-41 until the Battle of Monte Casino where German paratroopers also put the weapon to deadly use.