Alternate Weapons of War thread...

Marc Pasquin

Marc Pasquin

I have a timeline I work on and off called The Lukewarm Peace which is an ATL with a communist NATO and a non-communist Warsaw Pact (some people might have seen the flag poster in another thread).

Because of it mirror like evolution, I have looked for other means to show the difference between the ATL and OTL. One thing I found was the soviet prototype Konstantinov SA-01, a rifle with the trigger above the barrel:

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Though it went nowhere here, I imagined a similar rifle being used by Warsaw Treaty troops in the ATL which I called the Kolyakov 47:

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I have tried to make it a little less ungainly looking though I must confess to knowing very little about gun design.

Now, bearing in mind that a lot of what goes on in the Lukewarm Peace timeline is mind to be tongue in cheek and that a bit of "rule of cool" is acceptable, are there *major* flaws in such a gun that I should keep in mind ?
 
RJGFox

RJGFox

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Built as 'Treaty Cruisers', the relaxing of limitations in the late 30s led to the 'large repair' of the County Class, accepting that it was unlikely the Royal Navy would acquire new 8 inch cruisers in the foreseeable future.

Spread over almost a decade, the comparatively homogenous class received a comparatively homogenous refit - with new machinery, improved anti aircraft armament and an armoured belt, not included in the armour scheme as built.

With the Royal Navy focussing on light cruisers of the Town and Colony types, County's were to be employed as the flagships of fast surface action groups and in traditional cruiser roles while the smaller ships operated in fleet actions.
 

Jeremak

IFV and APC based on Strv-103 hull. It was created for much more detailed scenario, so i will not give all explanations to don't make this post too long. Some thing involed in this scenario are capitalist Eastern Europe allied with capitalist Russian Empire that is in cold-war style rivaly against Germany-led continental Western Europe block (also capitalist). Nordics are neutral and make buisness with both sides.
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APC version, base for specialised vechicles (command, medevac, mortar etc.). Longer hull than Strv, flat, oposing piston diesel like in T-64 instead of swedish powerpack with gas turbine. Made in one of bigger eastern european countries on licence. Because of importance of NBC protection it was made without shooting ports on sides. Also can't swim, but can cross water obstacles on bottom with collapsable "funnels" attached to upper hatches.

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Only version used in Swedish Armed Forces: send to Sweden as a part of payments for licence on hull and suspension technology. Retrofitted with Strv-103 powerpack, used in Strv-103, and Bandkanon units for various tasks.

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IFV version. Armed with 23 mm autocanon in single crew turret (similar to AAV-7 turret) with abilites for firing "Fagot" ATGM from external launcher. Can carry 7 person infantry squad, with squad leader seating behind driver, and 6 other soldiers face to face in 2 rows on back of vehicle.

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Armoured recon vehicle, similar to british Scimitar. Armed with 23 mm autocanon in two person turret and "Konkurs" ATGM. Can also host additional 4th crew member on place of OTL Strv commander. This place can be used by unit commander, radioman, atillery spotter, NBC detectors operator. Also small team of infantry can by carried on the back of Vehicle.

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ATGM tank destroyer. Based on former recon vehicle. Carry 3 rockets on "ready" launcher: 2 in reloadable box launcher on turret, and 1 on external launcher on the other side. Also still have 23 mm canon as a mean of self defence.
 

Some Bloke

Major Crimson said:
A flash forward from the TL in my sig, here is the OTL equivalent to the SMLE and the rifle that the British Empire is going to use for the best half of the 20th century, in its first and second forms.
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EDIT: Dammit, I spent Pattern wrong :|​
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Drum gun. Has a nice ring to it.

I think I remember seeing the start of this TL yesterday. So they keep the rotary drum from the prototype and develop a rimless round before the outbreak of the First World War, but still allow for the use of 10 round stick mag?

I'd imagine the 30 round would be used in Huot style full auto weapon. How does this affect weapons development in the long term? Does the drum mag become standard up to the present day in assault rifles?

Large difference is mag size vs small difference in capacity. Is this the adoption of a rimless cartridge or 5 years refinement to the design?

Maybe the capacity of the original size mag is improved for more ammo for LMGs. Could affect the design for the BAR.
 
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Major Crimson

Major Crimson

Some Bloke said:
Drum gun. Has a nice ring to it.

I think I remember seeing the start of this TL yesterday. So they keep the rotary drum from the prototype and develop a rimless round before the outbreak of the First World War, but still allow for the use of 10 round stick mag?

I'd imagine the 30 round would be used in Huot style full auto weapon. How does this affect weapons development in the long term? Does the drum mag become standard up to the present day in assault rifles?

Large difference is mag size vs small difference in capacity. Is this the adoption of a rimless cartridge or 5 years refinement to the design?

Maybe the capacity of the original size mag is improved for more ammo for LMGs. Could affect the design for the BAR.
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Aha wrong TL I'm afraid, I put this together for my Sig TL and then Hotpoint put up the Maddest Minute, two different pieces of work! I can however talk about the future of weapons design in The Red Crowns.

The 1905 was originally hoped to be full auto but had a lot of problems so in the end they stuck to semi; the large mag is just a holdover and also useful in protracted fighting. Weapons development is a good decade ahead of OTL with a more violent late 19th century, the British now have a tendency towards drum mags and towards similar designs to the Farquar Hill in general but there's still a lot of development to be had.

As for mag size its a bit of both; rimless cartridge is easier to deal with and design has been refined and cut down over 5 years of low level conflict.

ITTL BAR and other designs are definitely going to be very different, in part because of early successes like this and in part because of butterflies.
 

DHWAR

Does Anyone wanna give this a try. Blueprints for a German Pocket Battleship Deutchland Class...BUT it has 2 additional turrets (1 8 inch gun per) that are placed behind the primary turrets?
 

cortz#9

A pair of alternate Kamov Hokum attack choppers for a pending TL that a friend of mine is working on.

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Suggestions for improvements welcomed.
 
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