Alternate Weapons of War thread...

Ming777

Monthly Donor
A more kitbash example is this:

Province class Multirole Destroyer

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Builders:
- MIL-Davie Shipbuilding, Lauzon, Quebec
- Allied Shipbuilders, Vancouver, British Columbia
- Canada Shipbuilding Cape Breton, Sydney, Nova Scotia

Vessels:
HMCS Ontario (DDG 290)
HMCS Quebec (DDG 291)
HMCS Alberta (DDG 292)
HMCS British Columbia (DDG 293)
HMCS Manitoba (DDG 294)
HMCS Nova Scotia (DDG 295)
HMCS Saskatchewan (DDG 296)

Characteristics

Displacement: 8,920 tons
Length: 187 m (613 ft 6 in)
Beam: 19.4 m (63 ft 8 in)
Draft: 9 m (29 ft 7 in)

Propulsion:
4 General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines (license-built by Vektris Engineering in Red Deer, AB)
2 General Motors Model 265 turbodiesel cruise engines
2 Vektris Engineering cross-connect gearboxes
2 Escher Wyss controllable pitch propellers
4 General Motors/Western Electric 2.3 MW electric generators
2 shafts

Power Output: 180,000 shp (maximum)
Top Speed: 34.5 knots (64 km/h)
Range: 8,800 miles at 15 knots

Complement: 28 officers, 254 enlisted

Boats Carried: 2 Rigid-hull inflatable boats
Aircraft Carried: Up to 2 CH-148 Cyclone ASW helicopters

Armament:
1 Mark 54 5"/62-caliber naval gun
2 Mk 41 64-cell Vertical Launch Systems, 128 cells (can be armed with SM-2, SM-3, ESSM, Tomahawk and VL-ASROC missiles)
2 Mk 141 Harpoon Launchers (8 Harpoon anti-ship missiles)
2 Naval Defender 35mm CIWS systems
2 Mark 32 324mm (12.75") Triple Torpedo Tubes
4 M2 Browning 12.7mm machine guns

Systems:
AN/SPY-1D Multipurpose Radar
AN/SPS-67(V)2 Surface Search Radar
AN/SPS-73(V)12 Surface Search Radar
Signaal SPG-503 STIR 1.8 Fire Control Radar
AN/SQS-510 Hull-mounted variable depth sonar system
AN/SQR-501 CANTASS Passive towed array sonar
AN/SLQ-32(V)3 Electronic Warfare System

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A DR-5 Ferret Countergrav Raider, the Commonwealth of Democratic World's Anser to the Bladewolf. Unlike the Bladewolf, it carries a 50mm grenade launcher and can not accept the same number of modifications, but does carry more ammuni
 

Ming777

Monthly Donor
A few things:

1. As said before, it's a little too small
2. It is dangerous to have a non-angled deck for Jet CATOBAR aircraft. You cant launch and land simultaneously in this design.
3. You are missing propulsion units.
 
The aircraft are the above depicted F-20bis with superfluous thrust. The propulsion is by means of 8 internal steerable thrusters or propulsors, twice the LCS2, 4 in each stern. The intent is rapid response, not campaign engagement and landings require a clear deck. It's so inexpensive to own and operate that Canada can afford it, but it's not meant to be a fleet carrier. Cost less than 3 F-35's.
 
I am not sure where this misplaced idea that it is impossible to operate jets from a straight deck carrier safely came from, especially when the aircraft in question are (if I understand Leo correctly) STOL capable. Straight decked carriers operated jets quite successfully during the 1950s. True, the angled flight deck came from a desire to increase the safety margin of carrier operations, allow the operation of larger aircraft, and also to increase deck storage space, but it certainly isn't a prerequisite of jet carrier ops.

Look at our current generation of 'carriers' (although they barely deserve the name truth be told). While the Harrier is V/STOL, they operate in a STOL fashion from said ships to save on fuel consumption.

Basically, I see no reason why Leo's ship wouldn't work. Not necessarily ideal, but what design is?
 

Ming777

Monthly Donor
I am not sure where this misplaced idea that it is impossible to operate jets from a straight deck carrier safely came from, especially when the aircraft in question are (if I understand Leo correctly) STOL capable. Straight decked carriers operated jets quite successfully during the 1950s. True, the angled flight deck came from a desire to increase the safety margin of carrier operations, allow the operation of larger aircraft, and also to increase deck storage space, but it certainly isn't a prerequisite of jet carrier ops.

Look at our current generation of 'carriers' (although they barely deserve the name truth be told). While the Harrier is V/STOL, they operate in a STOL fashion from said ships to save on fuel consumption.

Basically, I see no reason why Leo's ship wouldn't work. Not necessarily ideal, but what design is?

The thing is the airplanes in his diagram are clearly using a CATOBAR configuration. If this is a STOVL, it would not be that bad.

There is a reason there are no CATOBAR jet-carrying carrier has a straight deck. You can't have a plane taking off and another landing at the same time. It is just criminal to assume nothing can go wrong with such a design. That design is very dangerous for pilots in non STOVL aircraft.
 

NothingNow

Banned
Random Crap I did for NationStates:
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Yes, that's just a bunch of Stretched and modified Visbys, but they look cool, and they're supposed to be a cheap and easily adapted design, hence the boring repetition. I'm thinking they need different Radar Arrays though.

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Behold, a Semi-modernized EM-2.
 

Stephen

Banned
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Behold, a Semi-modernized EM-2.

The sight rail is too far back where the cheek rest should be instead it should be above and forward of the pistol grip. The sight line should also be a bit higher on a bullpup, and if your using a holosight your would put the EM-2's folding forsight down.

But apart from that nice.:)
 
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