Alternate warships of nations

Here is my take on an N3 type Battleship The Saint Class

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Could the Iranian boghammer type become a widespread model for speedboats world wide starting in the late 80s ?
 
I was stuck somewhere as well but I forget where (and since my PC resetted I can't just open the game and check).

That's an advantage to something like steam, it can save your progress across devices. Though not sure if it's a thing outside the states, and tech can still mess up.

Darn it, looks like my progress was not saved.

Possibly because it is early access and does not have achievements?

(Edit: also, looks like I have some issue. As the game worked fine a few months ago before the laptop broke down, but now that I have downloaded it again I did a quick basic Pre-dreadnought in custom battle, the design/build phase was fine but once in battle the sea and sky were the same colour (there was like no texture, I could see below the waterline of my ship) and there was no game interface (other than where ship is going thing and the range highlight circles). I'll probably checkout if the tutorial missions or the campaign has the same issue tomorrow.)

Also, I have to say China and Spain being included but not the Ottomans kinda triggers me (especially since I am pretty sure Ottomans are not available in Rule the Waves either, thought I never did play RtW and been a while since I looked into the game via googling and watching videos so I might be misremembering and Ottomans may be in RtW2, but I am almost certain they aren't in RtW1).

I mean, I guess with the Espanas Spain has a right but still.
 
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Darn it, looks like my progress was not saved.

Possibly because it is early access and does not have achievements?

(Edit: also, looks like I have some issue. As the game worked fine a few months ago before the laptop broke down, but now that I have downloaded it again I did a quick basic Pre-dreadnought in custom battle, the design/build phase was fine but once in battle the sea and sky were the same colour (there was like no texture, I could see below the waterline of my ship) and there was no game interface (other than where ship is going thing and the range highlight circles). I'll probably checkout if the tutorial missions or the campaign has the same issue tomorrow.)

Also, I have to say China and Spain being included but not the Ottomans kinda triggers me (especially since I am pretty sure Ottomans are not available in Rule the Waves either, thought I never did play RtW and been a while since I looked into the game via googling and watching videos so I might be misremembering and Ottomans may be in RtW2, but I am almost certain they aren't in RtW1).

I mean, I guess with the Espanas Spain has a right but still.
Yeah, I wonder if they will add more nations eventually. The Ottomans have more of a claim imo to be included than China for example. But I could see Sweden, the Netherlands, and the SA powers being included as well
 
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The Dutch battleship De Zeven Provincen flying the German naval ensign during a visit by German dignitaries in 1914.

Commissioned as part of the 1909 fleet law Provincen was the lone member of her class, the Koninklijke Marine building a pair of battlecruisers at the same time. The ship was built by Vulcan in Germany between 1909 and 1912 and armed with ten 280mm guns in five twin turrets, two of which were located on the centerline in an en echelon arrangement that permitted no cross deck firing but was necessary to deliver an eight bun broadside.

Becoming the sole Dutch battleship after the ships of the Zealandia class were cancelled in 1915 Provincen would often act as the flagship for the home fleet, seeing much of her service in European waters and seldom deployed to the east indies where the kingdoms battlecruisers were often deployed. She recieved a number of refits during the interwar, though she would never be refit as heavily as some of the other ships in the fleet and would enter the second world war appearing little changed from her initial appearance, the ship being actually slated for decomissioning in 1941 with the planned entry into service of the Tromp class battlecruisers.

In port at the time of the German invasion of the low countries Provincen would sail for the United Kingdom with the royal family, treasury, and part of the national archives in concern with several other Dutch warships. She arrived in portsmouth unscathed, though she narrowly avoided attack by German Stuka dive bombers on her retreat. Becoming a part of the Free Dutch forces working with the British Provincen was the only significant Dutch warship to see extensive use in European waters, the battlecruisers being used in the east indies and Pacific during the war.

Due to her age and dated equipment Provincen was used most often as a convoy escort, freeing up larger British capital ships for duties elsewhere. It being generally assumed that although lightly armed by modern standards the ship was big enough to ward of any of the German heavy capital ships which may be sent out as raiders. Or at the very least being able to seriously damage and delay an attacking German ship before she was sunk.

This logic would be put to the test in the battle of the Norwegian sea when a convoy to the USSR escorted by Provincen would be engaged by the German heavy cruiser Scheer, also armed with 280mm guns. Recently fitted with a set of radar donated by the Americans Provincen would manage to hit the Scheer on her third salvo, driving off the raider without damage. This would be the only time the ship engaged another surface unit in direct combat, though she would engage and shoot down dozens of German aircraft during her war service.

The ships final war service would come during the Normandy landings when Provincen would be purposely grounded on the French coast to provide close big gun support to the landings. Her guns being worn out during the engagement, while her engines had already been worn badly, the ship only making 12 knots the last time she sailed. Post war the hulk would be scrapped in place by the restored French government, with components from the ship being taken and brought to the Netherlands to be displayed in the Den Helder museum.
 
1942

The old Australian Submarine A X2 seen on a supply run to the US Marines on Guadalcanal. Sistership to the long scrapped British Cruiser Submarine X1 she had been thought unfit for war service and only used for training the crews of the 4 RAN T class submarines. She was made operational in the wake of the Japanese attack on Malaya and served through to may 1943 when old age caught up with her and she sank at her moorings in Townsville.

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While flipping through Shipbucket "Never-weres", I came across this design for a 15,000t Kriegsmarine "Flugzeugtrager" (Light Carrier). I'd not heard of that idea. Even if fictitious, would it have made more sense/less sense/ equally in-sensisible than the Graf Zeppelin CV?

Of course, the customary questions apply:
  • what's the purpose (commerce raiding?)
  • Still need some form of carrier plane(s) - but the same types as for Graf Zeppelin?
  • Any use beyond giving the Admiralty war planners the willies? Or, depending on timing, the Marine Nationale?
  • Even at 15,000t, still a waste of steel?
 
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A hybrid destroyeer/ river monitor is a French navy in the 1880s level bad idea. The two roles are as mutually exclusive as you can possibly get.
[Continuing this discussion from a few pages ago I notice I forgot to respond to] Given the affection some in Napoleon III's empire had for the Confederacy, sounds like this might happen anyway. But aside from the torpedoes which are taking up weight/space, it sounds like the biggest issue of making a river monitor-destroyer hybrid is you're using a more expensive, valuable ship when a cheaper ship could do the job. I guess in that case the smaller destroyers could be designed with a shallow enough draft that they could be sent up the river to aid the CSA in a worst-case scenario.
For a river monitor what you want above all else is shallow draught and firepower. Speed and range are tertiary concerns at best next to these goals, and torpedoes are very much on the pointless end for one. Conversely for a destroyer you want high speed, seaworthiness (within limits) and range. Which necessitates a deep drafted vessel. You also want as many torpedoes as you can cram aboard such a ship as well.
Point taken, although given France's vague support for the CSA I could imagine exactly such a scenario happening anyway. But for hybrid warships, would a minelayer work better? That's an important part of coastal defense and river minelayers were a part of Romania and Yugoslavia's river fleets.
A confederacy as outlined would probably try for a fleet made up of blue and brown water elements. Large numbers of shallow draught monitors, with a few larger units built verging on coastal defense ship territory would be useful for the rivers. While a number of long legged cruisers would be helpful for commerce raiding, and torpedo boats for coastal defense alongside the larger monitors. As the economy develops and the rivalry with the USA grows the CSN may eventually build some proper ocean going battleships and destroyers, but those would very much be a nice to have rather than must have item for your fleet.
Romania apparently used larger ships from their river fleet to patrol the Black Sea in WWII and IIRC explicitly designed them to have the endurance to serve in that role.
 
Douglas A. Munro Class Through-Deck Cutter/Primary Casualty Receiving Ship
Operators: United States Coast Guard
Ships of the Class: USCGC Peleiu, USCGC Tarawa
Named after the only Medal of Honor winner in the Coast Guard, the Munro class cutter is the world’s largest cutter. After reports of the size of the Zhaotou-class cutters were received, the President decided that the US Coast Guard be expanded with an increased presence in the Pacific Island regions. The two surviving vessels of the Tarawa Class LHA were recommissioned and refitted into active service with the US Coast Guard. The refit cut down on the size of the hanger by a quarter. It also replaced vehicle bays with an enlarged hospital with a maximum capacity of at least 400 beds. The barracks for the troop complement was converted into refugee quarters which can double as triage centers. The boat complement remains the same while the air complement with the reduced hanger space is increased. It could carry a mixed air group of Jayhawks and Dolphins, totaling around 24 Dolphins to 12 Jayhawks. A full complement of Dolphins would be around 40 airframes, while a full complement of Jayhawks comes to around 30. The Munro class can operate Coast Guard Seaknights, HV-22 Ospreys, or small drones off the flight deck. The class kept a modified weapon complement. The 5-inch guns were swapped out for 3-inch dual barrels. In additon, the air complement could be modified by temporary assignment of Helicopter Interdiction Tactical Squadron (HITRON) units for added defense or improved law enforcement capabilities. It was capable of carrying a Port Security Unit or or any USCG specialized detachment.

The class primarily operated in the Pacific out of Coast Guard Station Guam and ISC Kodiak Island, Alaska. Their main role was to assist the Free Association States in maritime law enforcement, and in disaster relief. In addition, they would see use as Primary Casualty Receiving Ships during the Second Korean War, the South China Sea incident, and the Solomon Islands intervention.
 
Can the surviving German Raumboote minesweepers be the basis of a postwar OPV/ torpedo boat / gunboat design ? Seems like a lot of smaller newly independent nations could benefit from such a craft
And later ones could even mount a couple of AshM
 
Can the surviving German Raumboote minesweepers be the basis of a postwar OPV/ torpedo boat / gunboat design ? Seems like a lot of smaller newly independent nations could benefit from such a craft
And later ones could even mount a couple of AshM
The postwar FACs that the Germans built in the 50s were based on the E-boats and were built by Lurssen, the same company that built E-boats during the war. The R-boat minesweepers were too slow for the kind of FAC role they were expecting in wartime.
 
In 1912 the Royal Navy accepts Wm Beardmore's proposal for a aircraft carrier. When commissioned in 1914 it proves to have some issues and is only used as a seaplane carrier.

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The postwar FACs that the Germans built in the 50s were based on the E-boats and were built by Lurssen, the same company that built E-boats during the war. The R-boat minesweepers were too slow for the kind of FAC role they were expecting in wartime.
So maybe just patrol boat/ more modern minesweepers and gunboat roles ?
 
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