Alternate war??

In december 1941, Hitler declared war on the U.S following the japanese attack on pearl harbour.What if Hitler did not declare war on the U.S as the japanese had failed to support his invaision of the Soviet Union and even offered to send a battalion of volunteer troops to help the U.S fight the japanese?How would the U.S respond?
 
The US could send Britain - or the Soviet Union, if FDR can push it through Congress - as many weapons and other stuff as they want, since the German subs can't sink their ships.
 

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The US could send Britain - or the Soviet Union, if FDR can push it through Congress - as many weapons and other stuff as they want, since the German subs can't sink their ships.

But will they? Wouldnt the American war fever, now only directed at Japan make sure the USA stays focused on Japan?
 
This has been done many times before. What would have happened is that Roosevelt would have ditched Britain (the alternative being impeachment or a coup) and Hitler would have become an American hero.
 
This has been done many times before. What would have happened is that Roosevelt would have ditched Britain (the alternative being impeachment or a coup) and Hitler would have become an American hero.
I don't see it going that far.
Assuming Hitler's offer is believed:
Britain will not be ditched, they are also fighting the Japs in Malaya. Probably lend-lease will be cut back and largely redirrected to Commonwealth forces in the Pacific theater.
Lend-lease to the sovs will dry up rapidly, likely soon followed by the support the poms were providing, this will adversely affect the soviet troops mobility (fewer trucks) but will not be too much of an issue whilst the USSR remains on the defensive.
The American neutrality patrols will be severaly neutered -not that much of an issue as the poms have more than enough ships spare to strangle the Germans limited overseas trade.
 
Hitler would only have to point out that the British are fighting a limited war in Asia, that he has made peace offers to them, that they're relying on the Americans to save their Empire while expending most of their efforts in Europe, and ask whether it's not obvious that the British are willing to fight to the last American for their own purposes. He would then suggest that Britain should make peace in Europe so that they can aid America in Asia. If they refuse, it's quite apparent what they're up to, Perfidious Albion is at it again. Peace with Germany would indicate that Britain is serious about standing alongside America.
 
What if Hitler did not declare war on the U.S
Nice idea, but it falls down on one thing: Hitler had been anticipating war with the U.S. for years (lunatic as that may sound to us...), & expected it would happen sooner or later. He also knew it meant less U.S. material to Britain (more to U.S. forces, more to the Pacific). (So did Arthur McCollum, who wrote a memo, which deserves to be more famous than the ludicrous "war triggers" memo, anticipating Germany's position so well he could have been in the room....) This, of course, is exactly what happened. Now if only the loonies who think FDR planned the attack on Pearl Harbor would pay attention...
 
In december 1941, Hitler declared war on the U.S following the japanese attack on pearl harbour.What if Hitler did not declare war on the U.S as the japanese had failed to support his invaision of the Soviet Union and even offered to send a battalion of volunteer troops to help the U.S fight the japanese?How would the U.S respond?

FDR obviously declines Hitler's aid; an alliance with the UK and ABDA in Japan is struck; it probable that FDR expands the "US Hemisphere Defense Line" into the Middle East; Backroom Deals with Churchill are likely to mean that the UK will wind up pit more squarely against Germany, while the USA might very well assume responsibility for the Pacific.

Can Germany keep FDR out of the war, perhaps even going so far as to DoW Japan to do it? Probably not--FDR will probably have his war by 1943 due to random incidents or perhaps even a propaganda exercise.

Still, if a US DoW against Germany is delayed by two years the Soviets have already won the critical campaign of 1942-3 in the East, or the worst nightmare of Germany doing so much damage to the Soviets that they are unable to fight a stand up battle against the Wehrmacht.

The first case probably plays similarly to OTL, although the Soviets probably pay a higher price in terms of numbers and their control doesn't expand as far Westward; the second case and it will take a Downfall like campaign (the use of tactical nuclear weapons) to break Germany.

Now the United States and United Kingdom are willing to do this; but this means that WW2 is going to go from a war of Tank Charges and Amphibious Assaults to WMD smashfests. This also means that things like the Holocaust continue to for an additional four years. Germany will have already solved the "Jewish Question" to its satisifaction and be well into answering the "Polish Question" as the next item on its agenda before the United States makes enough nuclear weapons to beat the Wehrmacht with them.
 
US would

If Hitler did not declare war on the US after Pearl Harbor, the US would have declared war on Germany, since Japan is allied to Germany, and the US's allies are fighting Germany.
 
If Hitler did not declare war on the US after Pearl Harbor, the US would have declared war on Germany, since Japan is allied to Germany, and the US's allies are fighting Germany.

Can I suggest you check Finland's position OTL and apply it as an analogy here?
 
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