Alternate USA challenge kind of.

Kongzilla

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With a POD of the American Revolution and without effecting Europe or the rest of the world to much is it possible for the USA to control almost all of North America by 1870 except for Alaska which remains with the Russian Empire.

I don't know much about the time period so I kindly ask if you can help me. Also I'm lazy and so the Map is a bit half arsed but oh well.

Also for the Islands I didn't really do much research, I kind of just coloured them in so change them if you want.
 
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Canada's ASB without a specific POD involving British damages either at the Revolution or in ~1812.

The rest of North America isn't necessarily ASB, but you're headed to a dark place with that US.

Alaska remaining Russian is even harder.
 

JJohnson

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For Canada, either the US is successful in invading, and securing the Quebeckers' help, and Jonathan Eddy is successful in getting help from Washington, or the US successfully invades in 1812 and holds the land (less likely to me).

For Cuba, President Polk buys it in 1840 or so from Spain, but you may have to either have some kind of rebellion or crop failure there, or somehow make it more advantageous for Spain to drop it than keep it.

For Jamaica, maybe during the War of 1812, but it's unlikely the British would give that and the Cayman Islands up without a fight.

For Hispaniola, the Dominican Republic asked to be annexed in the latter 19th century. That would need to succeed, but it's not a highly likely event.

For Mexico, you'd need a more zealous ambassador after the Mexican-American War, which is possible, but I doubt the Americans would want so many people who don't speak English in the country at this point, and ditto along Central America. Central America had in the 19th century just thrown off Spain's control - why bring themselves under the control of people who don't even speak their language, and don't share their faith?

Some parts are more likely than others, definitely. It's just my opinion, but the most likely 'larger USA' would be the "our timeline USA" plus the Republic of the Rio Grande, perhaps the upper tier OTL Mexican states (Baja, Chihuahua, Sonora) since they were then so sparsely populated, more/most/or all of British Columbia. From there, slightly less likely would be Rupert's Land, Cuba, and Puerto Rico to become states, then Hispaniola, Canada, Jamaica, and least likely would be Central America and all-Mexico.
 

Kongzilla

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Can the USA become Zealous expansionists, using liberation as a means to expand their wealth and land.

also the TL I was thinking of basing this off will look almost nothing like OTL so some ridiculous PODs are fine.
 
Can the USA become Zealous expansionists, using liberation as a means to expand their wealth and land.

also the TL I was thinking of basing this off will look almost nothing like OTL so some ridiculous PODs are fine.


Sorry my friend, but the only way to achieve a USA w/those borders is through the use of ridiculous - ASABish - POD's.
 
For Hispaniola, the Dominican Republic asked to be annexed in the latter 19th century. That would need to succeed, but it's not a highly likely event.

So did Haiti, and both came close in the Senate OTL.

For Mexico, you'd need a more zealous ambassador after the Mexican-American War

You'd need a more tactful negotiator. :mad:
 

Kongzilla

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Sorry my friend, but the only way to achieve a USA w/those borders is through the use of ridiculous - ASABish - POD's.

Well overall in the whole TL the World is pretty ridiculous, Prussia owns Scandinavia and Central Europe. Napoleon stalemated the Coalition and Japans own most of the Meji era territory. It's ridiculous but I wanted to have a reasonable way to explain it all.

And it doesn't have to be large Ridiculous POD's just a lot of medium sized ones.
 

Infinity

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Imperial America

Can the USA become Zealous expansionists, using liberation as a means to expand their wealth and land.

also the TL I was thinking of basing this off will look almost nothing like OTL so some ridiculous PODs are fine.
If this was the case, in 1855, instead of intimidating Japan into becoming a trading partner, the U.S would outright conquer it. Also, the Philippines and Cuba would become part of the U.S in 1898 if not earlier.
 
If this was the case, in 1855, instead of intimidating Japan into becoming a trading partner, the U.S would outright conquer it. Also, the Philippines and Cuba would become part of the U.S in 1898 if not earlier.

Okay you're joking. America conquers Japan with one fucking gunboat? Thats absurdity. Annexing Cuba was heavily protested by US sugar beat barons who didn't want competetion. The Philippines are the only thing you said that are halfway to being reasonable. (Although if they aren't made a state after awhile it's gonna be a problem. You can't have 1/4th of the population have no representation in the national government whatsoever without massive problems.
 

Kongzilla

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The USA doesn't have to take over the countries peacefully, it just needs to be capable of Launching a war in the 1870s
 
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