Alternate Triple Alliance/WWI

I was thinking about alternate WWI alliances earlier, and a question crossed my mind. How would an alliance of France/Germany/Austria-Hungary vs Britain/Russia/Ottoman Empire/Italy form? To me this seems like a challenge.

The question is: how would this alliance form? The later the POD, the better the challenge!
 
I was thinking about alternate WWI alliances earlier, and a question crossed my mind. How would an alliance of France/Germany/Austria-Hungary vs Britain/Russia/Ottoman Empire/Italy form? To me this seems like a challenge.

The question is: how would this alliance form? The later the POD, the better the challenge!

1871 Germany beats france but instead of taking A-L they take colonies. A-H, Germany and France move to a Alliance and the British Empire reacts out to Russia and Italy to gain territory against A-H, Germany and France. Later the Ottomans join in Exchange for some Balkan territory. WW1 is ignited by OTL circumstances or other.
 
Look up Wilcoxchar's Union and Liberty.

It has a Franco German alliance start forming in the 1860s. Germany unifies post Austro-Prusssian War, and never goes to war with France.
France then uses Germany's colonial ambitions to curb Britain's colonial Empire. (Thus Germany ends with a good chunk of East Africa and Oman). Whil France's ambitions in Asia really piss Britain off.
Britain cozys up to Russia and the Lega Mediterranea (led by Italy), to counter the Franco-German Entante.
Only thing is Austria no longer exisists in TTL and the alliance is with an semi-indistrialized Egypt rathar than the OE.
 
Look up Wilcoxchar's Union and Liberty.

It has a Franco German alliance start forming in the 1860s. Germany unifies post Austro-Prusssian War, and never goes to war with France.
France then uses Germany's colonial ambitions to curb Britain's colonial Empire. (Thus Germany ends with a good chunk of East Africa and Oman). Whil France's ambitions in Asia really piss Britain off.
Britain cozys up to Russia and the Lega Mediterranea (led by Italy), to counter the Franco-German Entante.
Only thing is Austria no longer exisists in TTL and the alliance is with an semi-indistrialized Egypt rathar than the OE.

Link please. I couldn't find it.
 
I was thinking about alternate WWI alliances earlier, and a question crossed my mind. How would an alliance of France/Germany/Austria-Hungary vs Britain/Russia/Ottoman Empire/Italy form? To me this seems like a challenge.

The question is: how would this alliance form? The later the POD, the better the challenge!

The German (and part of) Austrian Armies will gang up on Russia while the rest of Austrias army together with most of French troops will knock out Italy early Hochseeflotte is tying up most of Royal navy while keeping Russia bottled up in Baltic.

in the Med Austria and france ty up Italy/Russians and the few Ottomans out there until Italy is knocked out (see above). With Italy gone French and A-H are free to support Germany while shielding possible attacks from the Balkans (I assume the Balkans nations can't remain neutral - though its not easy to decide which way they lean - depends on earlier developments - basically teh Ottoman empire is the basic enemy while all other nations are potential allies.

Romania might be in the anti russian camp which may put Bulgaria to pro Russia - as probably Serbia. Greece OTOH will probably lean to Austria/France as it has interests in Asia Minor.

Turkey is likely easily contained so its basically a match between Russia and Germany with strong A-H participation and France gaurding versus invasion by Britain - also probably being the Continentals primary "producer" (no need to use a large army.

As Germany/A-H/France form a compact block sitting between the other nations they have a strategic advantage. I assume the colonial ToO will be inconsequential to the overall effort. (West Africa in French hands the rest will probably face a slow "consolidation" - french and Germany should be able o balance Brits and Italians in Africa - rest of the World a Brit backyard)

But the war is decided in Europe - as I assume Italy is knocked out early and OE is inconsequetial the RN is not overwhelming the Continental navies, so britain will not be able to dominate the seas (Probably bottling up the Germans, but France will keep some lanes open), so Britain will also not be able to make a strong show on land - that leaves Russia which will not be able to knock out A-H and Germany on its own (Basically)

I assume a "continental" win withing 18 months of war.
 
It is a very, very unlikely scenario - not to say that to get there and "hold" these strange alliances in shape would not be so easy.
Let me list the most unlikely things:
  • an empire of Germany born just after the 1866 war has to overcome at least 3 difficulties: there would be a number of German states annexed by force to the Reich, France (and UK and Russia) would have to accept it, Prussia should be ready and willing to go for it (note that none of these conditions applied in OTL 1866)
  • UK would go postal if confronted by an alliance which controlled the North sea coast and the Pas-de-Calais. As a minimum they would go to war as soon as TTL Germany would start a naval expansion program
  • Russia would receive much less foreign investments than IOTL, since France most likely would not invest there. A less developed Russia would not be a partner that UK would really look forward to (even without going to uglier problems like the Russian expansion in central Asia, the potential threat to India and the Russian aspirations to control the Straits)
  • Russia and the Ottomans are quite unlikely allies. I doubt very much this would be a real possibility ITTL, no matter how creative the POD can be. The Ottomans would stay neutral unless invaded.
  • Italy's nightmare has always been a two-fronts war against France and A-H. Even worse if Germany is also the enemy. Why would they put their head on the block to be chopped? Italy would also have no incentive in signing up with UK-Russia, and would stay neutral
  • Politically France would be the odd-one in TTL "Central Powers": at least OTL Drei Kaiser Bund was an alliance among autocrats, and even that could not last too long. So France should have a 2nd empire which becomes more and more illiberal: I doubt it would work too well.
 
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I don't think there's any possibility of this post-1871, and I'm not convinced there's any real possibility of it beforehand. Alsace-Lorraine makes any long-term Franco-German rapprochement impossible.

Even without that, getting an Anglo-Russian alliance is quite a slog. The alignment of Britain, Germany, Italy, the Ottoman Empire, and Austria-Hungary vs. France and Russia is a lot more natural. So would be a Continental League against Britain. Both these alignments threatened to emerge at points in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century.

An alignment of Britain, France, and Austria against Prussia and Russia might also work, or one of France, Austria and Russia against Prussia and Britain.

Your alignment feels like perhaps the least plausible alignment of European great powers imaginable.
 
Why not have a Germany-Austria-Russia alliance, effectively re-creating the League of the Three Emperors? Such an alliance would prevent Germany from having to face a two-front war, leaving it free to defeat its enemies in the west.
 
I've acturaly once seen a TL with this premise.

It was like this:

1. After Franco-Prussian War and German Unification, Germany doesn't take A-L but a french colonie ( I think it was indochina)
2. Bismarck predicts that the next potential war will be with russia and trys to avoid two-front war by seeking reconciliation with France.
3. He builds up a common university system and exchange programs which are forced upon the french government.
4. After losing colonies to the germans and not being able to defeat them france tries to generate rvolts in portuguese and british colonies.
The plan backfires and franco-british relations are hurt.
5. Germany starts the naval race with britain .
6. Italy grows more and more expancive, but instead of the Ottomans it looks at A-H and France. It comes to little border skirmishes but they back down after German pressure.
7. France enters a short isolationst period in which it is heavily liberalized.
8. Germany and A-H enter an alliance in fear of italian and russian aggression.
9. Britain enters an alliance with italy to balance the the thread of a german-AH alliance. France due to it's current isolationism and negative feelings towards italy declines and follows a doctrine of continental balance.
10. After disputes between A-H and the ottomans, the Ottomans joins the british italian alliance.
11. Russia joins the alliance.
12. New government in Paris. After reforms and military buildup the period of isolationsim is over. A formal request, for an assistance agreement in case of war, from Berlin is answered and singed.
14. Italian Terrorism trickers WWI

In this TL WWI started sometimes during the late 1920's or early 30s.
 
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Why not have a Germany-Austria-Russia alliance, effectively re-creating the League of the Three Emperors? Such an alliance would prevent Germany from having to face a two-front war, leaving it free to defeat its enemies in the west.

Bismarck tried this. The difficulty was to keep Austria and Russia from fighting among themselves.
 
Why not have a Germany-Austria-Russia alliance, effectively re-creating the League of the Three Emperors? Such an alliance would prevent Germany from having to face a two-front war, leaving it free to defeat its enemies in the west.

Or how about France-Germany-Ottomans and Britain-Russia-Austria-Italy, with a POD at the Austro-Prussian War? I've been making a timeline with this alliance.
 
Or how about France-Germany-Ottomans and Britain-Russia-Austria-Italy, with a POD at the Austro-Prussian War? I've been making a timeline with this alliance.

Getting Russia and Italy to both sort out their issues with Austria would be akin to herding cats, methinks.

While we're mulling alternate alliances, perhaps France-Germany-Italy would be workable? If the Franco-Prussian War were avoided somehow, then surely the enmity there would be fairly limited, and Rome and Berlin were already aligned together, so...
 
Since I'm doing a Mesoamerica TL, when I saw 'Triple Alliance' I thought of the Aztec Triple Alliance (more proper term for their empire) and was like a surviving Mexica domain would so greatly alter history, discussing what role it would play in WWI would be really foolish:p
 
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