Alternate Symbol for Germany

The question is, in the absence of Germany becoming the HRE and taking the Eagle as it's symbol what becomes the prevailing symbol of an alternate Germany?
Say the POD is some Italian Dynasty maintains control over Italy and the Ottonians become Hereditary kings (I'm pretty sure they had secured that for themselves if memory serves me correctly) of just Germany
 
The question is, in the absence of Germany becoming the HRE and taking the Eagle as it's symbol what becomes the prevailing symbol of an alternate Germany?
Say the POD is some Italian Dynasty maintains control over Italy and the Ottonians become Hereditary kings (I'm pretty sure they had secured that for themselves if memory serves me correctly) of just Germany
Lions were always common in Germany as well.
 
Lions were always common in Germany as well.
The Normans also used lions so it has a basis else where as well, the Eagle is so prevalent as a symbol for multiple states because of Roman prestige, would the German use such a symbol if it was also closely associated with other lesser houses?
 
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If you talking about the Ottonians (the House of Saxony) you have the Saxon steed
The Ottonians could still well go extinct in this timeline they are just the founding dynasty, so it becomes a question of if they are around long enough for it to stick as a German symbol and with the steed being a very Saxon symbol would the other regions be very keen on it representing all of Germany?
So far we have the Saxon Steed and lions, any other possibilities?
 
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If there`s no Holy Roman Empire, and the Ottonians become hereditary German kings, then the Saxon-ness of the steed should be no problem at all. It´s going to be the reigning dynasty`s symbol. (The HRE symbol was something different altogether because it denoted a supra-dynastic entity. This isn`t the case here.)

Either this kingdom lasts, or it falls apart, or it is replaced by a different one. In the first two cases, there are good chances for the steed to become the national symbol of Germany many, many centuries later: in the first case because people will get used to the king`s symbol and it´s going to stand for the country as a whole; in the latter perhaps because some people may look back at the Ottonians as the founders of a unitary German state and use their symbol as a rallying one again much much later.
 
If there`s no Holy Roman Empire, and the Ottonians become hereditary German kings, then the Saxon-ness of the steed should be no problem at all. It´s going to be the reigning dynasty`s symbol. (The HRE symbol was something different altogether because it denoted a supra-dynastic entity. This isn`t the case here.)

Either this kingdom lasts, or it falls apart, or it is replaced by a different one. In the first two cases, there are good chances for the steed to become the national symbol of Germany many, many centuries later: in the first case because people will get used to the king`s symbol and it´s going to stand for the country as a whole; in the latter perhaps because some people may look back at the Ottonians as the founders of a unitary German state and use their symbol as a rallying one again much much later.
Good points all round.
 
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