Alternate States

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by The Kiat, Sep 6, 2009.

  1. The Kiat I'm going to Nixonland!

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    I'm sure this has been posted at least once before, but what do you think would be a plausable or even creative State of the United States? This can be alternate states, proposed states, and even 51st states. I'll start with:

    1) State of New Amsterdam

    Feel free to post your maps too.

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  2. Sigma7 Foe of The Fates

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    How do you manipulate maps like this?

    I want to do maps but I'm not sure at to what the best way to mark the territories, boundaries, fill in sections with color to denote different entities etc...
     
  3. The Kiat I'm going to Nixonland!

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    I use Adobe Photoshop, and zoom in real close. Some maps I made, I manipulate it pixel by pixel. You could use simple MSPaint too, but I like Photoshop. I think I found the base map on Wikipedia when looking up New Amsterdam. I did that one more than a year ago when I wrote my An Alternate History of the Netherlands https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=132933 It's not that good of a map, but when I was making all these maps I intended them to just be visual aids.
     
  4. loneranger Well-Known Member

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    Connecticut, which kept Rhode and Long Islands. Basically ends up like New York State would have.

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  5. Sigma7 Foe of The Fates

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    Thanks for the tip.

    Time for some experimentation...:cool:
     
  6. NKVD ☭⚑

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    How come in alternate U.S. maps, where there's no major territorial difference, the Western states always have different borders? I mean, more than just some petty butterflies.
     
  7. Highlander Banned

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    Because if you look at a lot of the history behind the formation of western states, they are quite arbitrary, or depend on a small handful of people.
     
  8. pa_dutch Member

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    Texas could have legally been split up into five states after its annexation, and Oklahoma could have been split into two with the Native American Sequoyah in the east.
     
  9. NKVD ☭⚑

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    I don't think the Texans would like that, too much.
     
  10. Highlander Banned

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    Three maps that I think have particularly creative states.

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  11. NKVD ☭⚑

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    I can understand the Western states, but why are all the others chopped up?
     
  12. AmIndHistoryAuthor Banned

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    A very crude map showing Texas in the aftermath of a failed near future secession movement. The movement faced an anti secession movement that split off two states from it. In black, the new state of Rio Grande. In grey, the new state of Pecos. There may be other candidates for state names, but they likely wouldn't choose South Texas or West Texas. Perhaps names like Seguin (after Juan Seguin) or Gonzalez (after Henry B Gonzalez).

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  13. The Kiat I'm going to Nixonland!

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    I like the top map better.
     
  14. The Kiat I'm going to Nixonland!

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    If you use the Rio Grande as the border, then Texas was divided up; part of it went to New Mexico, part went to Colorado, part went to Oklahoma, and a little bit went to Wyoming.
     
  15. Alternatehistorybuff5341 Well-Known Member

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    Here is a map of the 62 states of The United States.


    Dakota - Red
    Basically The Dakota Territory does not split into North and South.

    Houston - Yellow
    One of the five states to join the Union when The Republic of Texas was annexed. Named after Sam Houston.

    Rio Grande - Sky Blue
    One of the five states to join the Union when The Republic of Texas was annexed. Named after The Rio Grande River

    Crockett - Purple
    One of the five states to join the Union when The Republic of Texas was annexed. Named after Texas Revolutionary David Crockett.

    Texas - Brown
    One of the five states to join the Union when The Republic of Texas was annexed. The official successor state of The Republic of Texas.

    Oklahoma - Orange
    One of the five states to join the Union when The Republic of Texas was annexed. Half of The Indian Territory opted to join the state instead of forming a new one.

    Seuoyah - Green
    Native American State created from The Indian Territory

    South (Baja) California - Pink
    Joined California during The Bear FLag Revolt/Revolution. When The California Republic joined The Union it was split between North California and South California.

    Superior - Maroon.
    Formed from the upper peninsula of Michigan. Named after Lake Superior.

    Puerto Rico - Light Brown
    Admited into The Union around the same time as Hawaii and Alaska.

    Cuba - Dark Blue
    Bacame The Cuban Territory after the Spanish-American War. Admitted into The Union during Theodore Roosevelt's presidency.

    Long Island - Light Red
    Seceded from New York State in the 1980s due to a dispute about State Taxation.

    Quebec - Dark Grey
    One of the Fifteen Original Colonies. Joind The Revolution after Benedict Arnold succefully invaded The Canadian Colonies.

    Canada - Forest Green
    One of the Fifteen Original Colonies. Joind The Revolution after Benedict Arnold succefully invaded The Canadian Colonies.

    Panama (Canal) - Mustard Yellow
    Joined the Union in 1979 from The Panama Canal Zone. Often seen as the "Misfit State" due to it's distance from the rest of the nation, small size and population.

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  16. The Kiat I'm going to Nixonland!

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    Very nice. Finally, a map with Puerto Rico as a state.
     
  17. Christopher Marlowe Well-Known Member

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    One possible opion is the balkanazation of Texas. Congeress stated that if they annexed exas hey reserved the right to chop it up into at leas five states
     
  18. NKVD ☭⚑

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    The reason why Dakota was broken up, was because the population was concentrated on opposite sides of the territory. I think that although it can be kept together by butterflies, it's a less likely butterfly.
     
  19. wilcoxchar The Craft Beer and Coffee Guy

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    Do you enjoy playing 'pin the Colorado on the United States'? :D

    Now to post a few of mine.

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  20. Tallest Skil Terrible At Everything Banned

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    The only problem I have with this is the improbability that the rest of what we know as Canada not becoming part of the United States after Upper and Lower Canada's secession from the British Empire as either territory after the American Revolutionary War or after a (far more successful, American-wise) War of 1812. Other than this, a fine map.