Alternate States of America: Mexico States

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Gan, Dec 18, 2016.

  1. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013

    This is based on my thread in the ASB forum.


    I'm fleshing out the Mexican States in an alternate timeline in which the United States fully annexed Mexico. This is being created for an isot timeline similar to the thread in that link.

    For those wondering why the project was divided in two, it's because the app I used won't display more than 16 labels for some reason. (Currently can't access a computer.)

    1 - South California (SO)

    Capital: Los Angeles
    Five Largest Cities:
    Tijuana: 5,031,893
    Los Angeles: 3,389,587
    Carson: 1,561,889 (Near OTL Monterey, California)
    La Paz: 814,619
    Mexicali: 787,882
    Spoken Languages: English Majority
    Ethnic Demographics:
    68.9% Caucasian
    17.4% Asian
    9.6% African
    2.6% Mixed
    0.9% Native
    0.6% Other
    Religious Demographics:
    53.8% Christian
    32.4% No Religion
    6.7% Buddhist
    4.6% Hindu
    1.2% Jewish
    1.1% Islam
    0.5% Other
    Governor: Robert Dallas (Whig)
    Samantha Sanders (Progress)
    William Heller (Whig)

    2 - Sonora (SN)

    Capital: Hermosillo
    Five Largest Cities:
    Guaymas: 1,327,661
    Puerto Penasco: 1,086,113
    Hermosillo: 854,985
    Nogales: 691,487
    Palomas: 478,984
    Spoken Languages: English
    Ethnic Demographics:
    78.2% Caucasian
    10.3% Asian
    7.5% Mixed
    3.6% African
    0.4% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    48.9% Christian
    38.7% No Religion
    10.2% Buddhist
    2.2% Other
    Governor: Trevor Jefferson (Progress)
    Andrew Williams (Progress)
    Rose Trevino (Progress)

    3 - Chihuahua (CH)

    Population: 11,218,991
    Capital: Chihuahua
    Five Largest Cities:
    Juarez: 4,178,985
    Chihuahua: 1,687,896
    Delicias: 885,987
    Parral: 541,667
    Camargo: 198,384
    Spoken Languages: English
    Ethnic Demographics:
    63.5% Caucasian
    21.6% African
    7.2% Mixed
    3.2% Asian
    2.4% Native American
    2.1% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    67.5% Christian
    25.8% No Religion
    5.1% Jewish
    1.3% Buddhist
    0.2% Islam
    0.1% Other
    Governor: Julian Kutscher (Democrat)
    Jimmy Chen (Whig)
    Carl Miller (Whig)

    4 - New Leon (NL)

    Population: 22,387,419
    Capital: Monterrey
    Five Largest Cities:
    Monterrey: 5,485,975
    Reynosa: 1,781,180
    Victoria: 1,099,153
    Guadalupe: 961,887
    Matamoros: 789,655
    Spoken Languages: English
    Ethnic Demographics:
    53.2% Caucasian
    31.6% African
    8.6% Asian
    6.4% Mixed
    0.2% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    32.8% No Religion
    29.5% Christian
    25.3% Jewish
    6.2% Buddhist
    3.5% Islam
    1.8% Hindu
    0.9% Other
    Governor: Michelle Aguirre (Whig)
    Jana Fields (Whig)
    Alexander Francisco (Progress)

    5 - Durango (DU)

    Population: 6,285,651
    Capital: Durango City
    Five Largest Cities:
    Culiacan: 1,001,152
    Durango City: 951,987
    Mazatlan: 786,331
    Gomez Palacio: 386,761
    Los Mochis: 321,585
    Spoken Languages: English
    Ethnic Demographics:
    78.9% Caucasian
    16.2% African
    3.2% Native American
    1.2% Asian
    0.5% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    60% Christian
    32.1% No Religion
    4.1% Other
    2% Jewish
    1.8% Islam
    Governor: Richard Smithson (Democrat)
    Kayla Aleman (Democrat)
    Harry Parker (Democrat)

    6 - Zacatecas (ZA)

    Population: 6,819,337
    Capital: Zacatecas City
    Five Largest Cities:
    Aguascalientes: 1,172,590
    Santiago: 847,510
    San Luis: 756,875
    Zacatecas City: 203,871
    Matehuela: 195,678
    Spoken Languages: English
    Ethnic Demographics:
    67.4% Caucasian
    12.7% African
    9.8% Native
    7.3% Mixed
    2.8% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    56.7% Christian
    38.5% No Religion
    4.8% Other
    Governor: Sofia Navarro (Democrat)
    Warren Cain (Whig)
    Alton Parker (Democrat)

    7 - Jalisco (JL)

    Population: 10,531,387
    Capital: Guadalajara
    Five Largest Cities:
    Guadalajara: 1,515,978
    Zapopan: 1,257,388
    Puerto Vallarta: 825,987
    Tonala: 567,388
    Moreno: 311,417
    Spoken Languages: English
    Ethnic Demographics:
    61.8% Caucasian
    22.6% African
    11.7% Native
    2.8% Mixed
    0.7% Other
    0.4% Asian
    Religion Demographics:
    77.3% Christian
    11.3% No Religion
    6.2% Jewish
    5.2% Other
    Governor: Jack Mann (Whig)
    Ralph Springfield (Democrat)
    Jill Long (Democrat)

    8 - Mexico (MX)

    Capital: Mexico City
    Five Largest Cities:
    Mexico City: 13,689,987
    Puebla: 4,789,388
    Morelia: 2,517,389
    Acapulco: 1,783,485
    Veracruz: 1,578,337
    Spoken Languages: English Majority. Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and German are spoken by significant minorities of the population.
    Ethnic Demographics:
    35.7% Caucasian
    28.3% Mixed
    12.8% Native
    10.4% Asian
    9.3% African
    3.5% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    43.9% No Religion
    33.5% Christian
    13.8% Buddhist
    3.6% Shinto
    3.2% Muism
    1.8% Jewish
    0.1% Islam
    0.1% Other
    Governor: George Takeda (Progress)
    Vanessa Cruz (Progress)
    Nancy Baxter (People's Party)

    9 - Wahaca (WH)

    Population: 4,312,773
    Capital: Wahaca
    Five Largest Cities:
    Wahaca: 438,446
    San Juan: 198,400
    Peurto Angel: 125,713
    Huatulco: 98,687
    Puerto Escondido: 77,549
    Spoken Languages: English, significant Spanish-speaking minority.
    Ethnic Demographics:
    49.6% Caucasian
    24.5% Mixed
    18.3% Native
    6.3% African
    Religion Demographics:
    74.8% Christian
    24.3% No Religion
    0.9% Other
    Governor: Nayeli Castro (Democrat)
    Andrew Garcia (Democrat)
    Carlos Jackson (Whig)

    10 - Chiapas (CP)

    Population: 9,517,385
    Capital: Tuxtla Gutierrez
    Five Largest Cities:
    Tuxtla Gutierrez: 1,259,378
    Villahermosa: 685,975
    Tapachula: 329,185
    Cardenas: 206,338
    San Cristobal: 185,119
    Spoken Languages: English, significant Spanish minority.
    Ethnic Demographics:
    82.4% Caucasian
    12.5% Mixed
    3.8% Native
    1.1% African
    0.2% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    78.3% Christian
    17.9% No Religion
    2.6% Jewish
    1.2% Other
    Governor: Sarah Moreno (Democrat)
    Maria Hernandez (Democrat)
    Johnathan Torres (Whig)

    11 - Yucatan (YC)

    Population: 6,390,881
    Capital: Merida
    Five Largest Cities:
    Merida: 1,036,778
    Cancun: 863,057
    Carmen: 653,385
    Campeche: 417,825
    Kanasin: 3381,12
    Spoken Languages: English, significant Spanish minority.
    Ethnic Demographics:
    57.3% Caucasian
    21.3% African
    13.5% Mixed
    4.5% Native
    2.8% Asian
    0.6% Other
    Religion Demographics:
    76.4% Christian
    18.6% No Religion
    3.1% Jewish
    0.8% Hindu
    0.6% Other
    0.5% Buddhist
    Governor: Stephanie H. Himmler (Whig)
    Matthew Chavez (Whig)
    Harvey Chang (Progress)


    President: Meena Parikh (Whig)
    Vice President: Amanda Hochmeister (Whig)

    (This is if anyone else wants to use this information for a timeline and wants the ATL President or Vice President in the isot.)


    I will finish the entries for the current states and add more in the coming days.
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2017
  2. farmerted555 New Member

    Oct 8, 2015
    Would I be correct in assuming that Tamaulipas is part of Texas?
  3. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    Actually, it was merged with Neuve Leon (New Leon).
  4. HarrisonBergeron Kicked

    Dec 18, 2016
    I question whether the US would keep existing Mexican state borders. I mean, why would they? Other than the row of five (if your Rio Grande Republic survived before asking for annexation a la Texas, it’d be a row of four) at the top, the US would likely just redraw the borders of the lower states.

    Also, a quick fix to your map.

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  5. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    A lot of that boils down to the fact that I'm stuck using an online app to make my maps, since I can't find anything better to do this on a mobile device. The issue with this is that I can only modify maps that are available on the site, and I can't actually redraw the border.

    So, in other words, it's limited by the technology I have access to irl.

    And thanks for the fixed map.
  6. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    I was finally able to update the map using MS Paint. Any thoughts?

    I haven't updated the information on the states yet, but hopefully I can get around to it sometime today.
  7. HarrisonBergeron Kicked

    Dec 18, 2016
    Good on you for splitting California. It might go up to 36º30’, though. Sonora’s northern and western borders would probably follow the rivers. As for the rest, I love ‘em. They make sense. Maybe still one or two too many, however. 5 and 6 may well become one, given the timeframe. Combining them gives a population roughly equal to Michigan, and anything to have fewer senators.
  8. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    I took your advice on moving South California's border north and merging 5 and 6. "Sonora's" northern border was moved much further north than you probably suggested (along the Colorado River and Little Colorado) and is essentially merged with most of OTL Arizona.

    Do you think it would be pushing it to include Las Vegas and parts of Nevada as part of California or Sonora-Arizona?
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  9. HarrisonBergeron Kicked

    Dec 18, 2016
    Oh, I’m sorry; I should have specified: the Gila River, not the Colorado–what the US border was before the Gasden Purchase. :p


    If the border is there, then Arizona and New Mexico are roughly the same size, which is what Congress would have wanted.
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  10. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    Ah, that does seem more realistic.

    Before I make the final edits, what are your thoughts on the tip of OTL Nevada being part of South California?
  11. HarrisonBergeron Kicked

    Dec 18, 2016
    An argument could be made for it, I guess, but the eastern California border is only where it is (and California as large as it is) because the Californians wanted to lock other states out of the riches of the Sierra Nevada. With California in a weaker position TTL (the US doesn't need it as much and it has obviously already been split), I wonder if the border of north and south California wouldn't be the peak of the Sierra Nevadas… Still, I do like these borders.
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  12. Sir Prizing Well-Known Member, apparently

    Dec 12, 2014
    Smithers, Washington, Federal Republic of America
    I have an idea for a timeline I (hopefully) will eventually do where the US grabs Baja California and enough of Northern Sonora as debt payment after intervening in the 1860's Imperial v. Republican Civil War to extend the southern border of *Arizona (I might change the name) to the Gulf of California. It seems kinda silly to me that Arizona is so close to the sea yet so far away...
  13. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013

    I made two remakes of the map. The only difference is that one South California contains what is OTL Las Vegas while the other it doesn't. Which do you think looks better?

    I drew the border along the river as well as I could, although it's far from super accurate.
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  14. JJohnson Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2008
    Exactly! Just a little more south...just a little more....and we could have South California, Arizonan beaches, and one or two more states out of the deal (if the Treaty of GH gave us Baja, Sonora, Chihuahua, and Rio Grande, maybe 4, doggoneit).
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  15. Sir Prizing Well-Known Member, apparently

    Dec 12, 2014
    Smithers, Washington, Federal Republic of America
    Ye, Arizonan beaches sounds so far fetched, but if only a simple treaty had been worded a little differently... I lived in the Gadsden Purchase (Tucson) for 5 years; to think how much more we could have gone to the beach. :p

    Anyways, maybe I'll put my thoughts on my TL-to-be in the TL idea thread soon...
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  16. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    Update: Added basic information for the first four states.
  17. 22iron thunder "This is painful and it will be for a long time."

    Jan 3, 2014
    Delta District, California Union
    I dont know if its any help but i have a map of my own take on state division in an all Mexico plan i could post if you think it might help or be interesting haha
  18. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    UPDATE: Durango, Zacatecas, Jalisco, and Mexico State now have their basic information filled out.

    Sure, go ahead and post. Now, I probably won't need it at this point, but I might still be interested.
  19. Gan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2013
    UPDATE: The last three states now have statistical data.

    For those wondering why I haven't listed Representatives yet, it's because it will have to wait until I decide on the total ATL US population and other information.
  20. 22iron thunder "This is painful and it will be for a long time."

    Jan 3, 2014
    Delta District, California Union
    all mexico patch.png
    yeah just if its at all interesting thanks here's a trimmed down version to focus on Mexico