alternate skorzeny

i am potentially developing a full timeline on this but wanted to get the board's ideas on this

Hitler was acutely aware of the friction between the western allies and the soviet union and expected the alliance to break apart.

what if he ordered skorzeny and his troops either

1 to dress as americans with american gear and attack the russians
2 to dress as russians and have them attack the americans

as a general assumption i will have them not use this tactic during the battle of the bulge but instead have skorzeny and his men held back in reserve until the russians and americans are close enough to each other where some friendly fire can take place

ideas?
 
It's interesting, but by the time American and Russian troops could see each other, Germany is lost anyway. I'm not sure it would make a difference by then. It would be much more interesting if in 1942/43, Skorzeny, dressed as a Russian soldier in Britain, shoots Churchill while yelling "Death to Capitalism!", and has forged documents that say Stalin ordered it.
 
that sounds like another interesting tl to develop unless there is someone who has allready done that?

based on the tl i am developing hitler deluded as he was at the end would assume these tactics would result in germany being offered succor in order to help fight against one side

however i am seeing that portion as a failure of course because germany would be destroyed by that time but as a possible trigger point for ww3
 
It would just fail badly.

I mean sure there might be a bit of WTF but soon after in defeated Germany theyre going to find many officials and officers willing to divulge information about the plan.
 
I thought the question was what would happen if Skorenzy would use his awsomness to in other ways. He would be a interesting resistance leader if he stayd in Austria and fought nazis afer Ansluss for example.
 
no the premise was him doing battle of the bulge stuff to antogonize the allies and start them fighting with each other
 
no the premise was him doing battle of the bulge stuff to antogonize the allies and start them fighting with each other

Fair enough, it's a good question. My guess, I dubt he can pull it of. He would have to make a pretty large scale attack for it to matter and that would be hard to pull of, and keeping it secret. I mean, not a single man could be taken alive for example.
 
i figure with the extra 3 months of prep skorzeny could put together like most of a battalion of russian speaks and russian equipment (the germans had plenty of captured russian gear) and have them do some hit and run stuff again the american spear heads

figure they do an ss style suicide pact with no prisoners
 
What about hitting the western allies in captured American/British uniforms to create supposed "friendly fire" incidents between them, it isn't going to win them the war but it could slow things down and might spiral into widespread disprder. A commonwealth unit which has taken repeated casualties from "American" troops or vise versa could lead to a real break down in communications and potential worsening retaliation between the allies.
 
they had their moments as did the germans. both sides with a couple months left in the war had gotten quite paranoid of each other

if the germans where really creative about it they could cause some serious antogonism perhaps it would need an earlier pod to give this idea more support ie abandon battle of bulge and stack up behind rhine and visutula but its not as far fetched as you might think

patton was a big supporter of getting the germans to help him kick the russians out of europe

truman and churchill, prewar feared the communists more than they feared the facists

and we all know how paranoid stalin was

there are some buttons that can be pushed and the alliance wasnt unbreakable it was convient

churchill said (bear in mind he wasnt a fan of communists) if hitler invaded hell id have good things to say about the devil
 
they had their moments as did the germans. both sides with a couple months left in the war had gotten quite paranoid of each other

if the germans where really creative about it they could cause some serious antogonism perhaps it would need an earlier pod to give this idea more support ie abandon battle of bulge and stack up behind rhine and visutula but its not as far fetched as you might think

patton was a big supporter of getting the germans to help him kick the russians out of europe

truman and churchill, prewar feared the communists more than they feared the facists

and we all know how paranoid stalin was

there are some buttons that can be pushed and the alliance wasnt unbreakable it was convient

churchill said (bear in mind he wasnt a fan of communists) if hitler invaded hell id have good things to say about the devil

Nevertheless they're going to need to get to get several guns,uniforms and possibly vehicles of the framed contry all in crisp condtion.Skorzeny was a sneay SOB but he wasnt a magician.
 
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