Alternate Saints

Prince Lazar of Serbia could be canonized by the Orthodox church if he had won at the battle of Kosovo field (not avoided getting conquered by the ottomans, but won a series of battles against them at least). If Vuk Branković had not retreated, the Serbs could have won the battle. They killed one of the 2 princes there (the one that survived became sultan after his father's death). Even the sultan was there, if he and both his sons had died, there would be a succession crisis. The ottomans would have had a harder time getting into Europe, Serbia would be conquered much later, at least after Lazar's death, and he would be seen as a great protector of Orthodox Christianity and Christianity as a whole from heathen invaders.
 
St Henry Newman? Or what about St. Samuel Wesley (son of John/Charles Wesley, founder of the methodists, had a wife and kids, knocked up the scullery maid, ran away to Rome, became Catholic and wound up as the pope's kapellmeister IIRC) just for shit and giggles? Plenty of saints (Ignatius of Loyola, for example) had playboy pasts before "settling down".
 
That is thread about real people, not random ATL persons, who could in different circumstances became Catholic or Eastern/Oriental Orthodox Saints. Prefferably with PODs after their deaths.
For example it was suggested on this site, that more successfull, longer reign of Mary Tudor could result in canonisation of Catherine of Aragon. Henry VI in 'England stays Catholic' is also somethimes mentioned as possible saint.
IMHO good candidate for Catholic Saint would be Henry the Pious (Henryk Pobożny), Piast Duke killed by Mongols at Battle of Legnica in 1241. It is surprising he isn't one already-devout duke with devout wife, son of devout parents (his mother Hedwig is Catholic Saint) who died fighting pagan invaders. Perhaps if Silesian Piast, his descendants, were successful in reuniting Poland, they would put effort as Kings of Poland into making their ancestor a Saint? Longer lasting Piast Monarchy also could result in Mieszko I being canonised, like monarchs who baptised their countries used to be.
Any other propositions?
St. Marco Polo, if he is successful in converting Kublai Khan to Christianity. Or St. Kublai Khan himself.
 
Peter Waldo of Lyon. He preached more or less the same things as Saint Francis (they were a short time apart, in fact, since Waldo died in 1205 and Saint Francis of Assisi died in 1226), before the latter decided to discard some points, most importantly female clergy, in exchange for Papal recognition.

Had Waldo been more willing to negotiate with Pope Celestinus III when he offered him the authorization to preach in exchange for obedience to orthodoxy, perhaps we would have a Saint Waldo now. And Who knows, given that Waldo was a proponent for the Bible to be translated into the vulgar languages, we could have seen a slightly earlier occurrence of translated Bibles.
 
By more Catholic America, I mean the majority of America is Catholic

Ah, with you. In that case, yes, it would be quite possible.

(Come to think of it, I wonder if you could butterfly it so that the North was primarily Catholic and the South primarily Protestant? That might add an interesting extra dimension to the conflict.)
 
Ah, with you. In that case, yes, it would be quite possible.

(Come to think of it, I wonder if you could butterfly it so that the North was primarily Catholic and the South primarily Protestant? That might add an interesting extra dimension to the conflict.)
That would make it a much murkier affair.
 

Kaze

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Saint Vlad Tepes - savior of Christendom. After his victories over the Turk, he is suddenly martyred, and becomes Saint DRACULA.
 
After defending her independence from both the United States and the Southern Confederacy, Thomas Stonewall Jackson was canonized as Saint Thomas of Richmond, patron saint of Virginia, masons, and amputees.
 
Saint Vlad Tepes - savior of Christendom. After his victories over the Turk, he is suddenly martyred, and becomes Saint DRACULA.
You beat me to it. Though, he would probably St Vlad Dracula. He wouldn't be the first saint with a record of atrocities.

How about Saint Hernan Cortes, Saint Francisco Pizarro and Saint Cristobal Colon (or Cristoforo Colombo), all of whom brought the True Faith to the heathens of the New World. I'm joking, a little bit, but it is a bit surprising that none of the conquistadors and early explorers were canonized, or a least beatified; especially ones like De Soto and Magellan, who died during their explorations.
 
You beat me to it. Though, he would probably St Vlad Dracula. He wouldn't be the first saint with a record of atrocities.

How about Saint Hernan Cortes, Saint Francisco Pizarro and Saint Cristobal Colon (or Cristoforo Colombo), all of whom brought the True Faith to the heathens of the New World. I'm joking, a little bit, but it is a bit surprising that none of the conquistadors and early explorers were canonized, or a least beatified; especially ones like De Soto and Magellan, who died during their explorations.
Well, De Soto, if memory serves, was a champion for Native Americans and their rights. Seems a little saintly
 
Peter Waldo of Lyon. He preached more or less the same things as Saint Francis (they were a short time apart, in fact, since Waldo died in 1205 and Saint Francis of Assisi died in 1226), before the latter decided to discard some points, most importantly female clergy, in exchange for Papal recognition.

Had Waldo been more willing to negotiate with Pope Celestinus III when he offered him the authorization to preach in exchange for obedience to orthodoxy, perhaps we would have a Saint Waldo now. And Who knows, given that Waldo was a proponent for the Bible to be translated into the vulgar languages, we could have seen a slightly earlier occurrence of translated Bibles.

Probably not too much earlier, though. Bibles, or any books for that matter, were very expensive to produce.

Roberto Clemente might be a good one, since he died on a mission of mercy.
 
Other idea: Godfrey of Bouillon. Leader of the first Crusade, first ruler of Jerusalem, refused to be crowned in the city "Christ worn a Crown of Thorns", but still the kings of Jerusalem descended from his brother. I could see hum being declared a patron saint of crusaders.
 
St. Napoleon of Ajaccio. After being personally responsible for restoring the Pope to Rome in 1799 on his return from Egypt. Limiting the excesses of the French Revolution, St. Napoleon was crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope. Austrian lands were given back to Church control. In Napoleon's wars against Russia and the Ottomans, he turned the Greek Orthodox of the Balkans to Roman Catholicism. The renewed Holy Roman Empire formed a pious opponent against English secular capitalism.
 

Marc

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At the top of the list should be Origen, 185 CE -254 CE. The greatest teacher among the Church Fathers, both revered and hated - often at the same time - as a theologian.
Intensely, perhaps too intensely spiritual.
It might be a bit too intellectual to say that if his core ideas had become adopted, history could have been profound different.
 
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Peter Waldo of Lyon. He preached more or less the same things as Saint Francis (they were a short time apart, in fact, since Waldo died in 1205 and Saint Francis of Assisi died in 1226), before the latter decided to discard some points, most importantly female clergy, in exchange for Papal recognition.

Had Waldo been more willing to negotiate with Pope Celestinus III when he offered him the authorization to preach in exchange for obedience to orthodoxy, perhaps we would have a Saint Waldo now. And Who knows, given that Waldo was a proponent for the Bible to be translated into the vulgar languages, we could have seen a slightly earlier occurrence of translated Bibles.
So, that would mean we'd be asking, "Where's St. Waldo?"
 
St. Napoleon of Ajaccio. After being personally responsible for restoring the Pope to Rome in 1799 on his return from Egypt. Limiting the excesses of the French Revolution, St. Napoleon was crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope. Austrian lands were given back to Church control. In Napoleon's wars against Russia and the Ottomans, he turned the Greek Orthodox of the Balkans to Roman Catholicism. The renewed Holy Roman Empire formed a pious opponent against English secular capitalism.

Didn't the pope "find" a St. Napoléon OTL? I always considered that a bit of a sham, but hey...I suppose if your tiara's on the line, you do what you gotta do :)
 
Prince Lazar of Serbia could be canonized by the Orthodox church if he had won at the battle of Kosovo field (not avoided getting conquered by the ottomans, but won a series of battles against them at least). If Vuk Branković had not retreated, the Serbs could have won the battle. They killed one of the 2 princes there (the one that survived became sultan after his father's death). Even the sultan was there, if he and both his sons had died, there would be a succession crisis. The ottomans would have had a harder time getting into Europe, Serbia would be conquered much later, at least after Lazar's death, and he would be seen as a great protector of Orthodox Christianity and Christianity as a whole from heathen invaders.

Maybe; although, Prince Lazar was actually canonized and is considered a saint in OTL.
 
In "Agent of Byzantium" by Harry Turtledove the prophet Muhammad converts to Christianity instead of developing Islam and becomes a saint. I always thought that could be an interesting timeline to really delve into, especially if St. Muhammad was known for his writings and you could sneak bits of Islamic thought into Christianity, Byzantine iconoclasm for instance would get an interesting twist.

Touching on this, and while Turtledove's scenario is very interesting, I always figured if Mohammed was ever going to become a Christian, it's because he would have interpreted his visions from God as a call for him to convert the Arabs to Christianity. There's no guarantee it would be Byzantine Orthodox Christianity either, it could very well be Oriental Orthodoxy or Nestorian Christianity. I would actually be willing to bet it would Oriental Orthodoxy since Arabia is in such close proximity to large Oriental Orthodox states and communities.
 
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