Alternate Russia Tzar was never overthrown

Would the United States still be a World power without the Soviet Union?

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the year is 1917 in Russia the economy is booming after the war because the Tzar chose not to enter the war. Even though most Russians were against the decision at first once they saw the bloodshed they were happy with the Tzars decision. The Tzar instead knew that this war could bring Russia to the 20th century and maybe even make it a world power. The Tzar decided to stay neutral so no country would invade. The Tzar decided to focus on trading with both sides with food and materials. The Tzar focus on making trade with all countries so no country would want to go to war with Russia. So because of this, the Tzar was never overthrown and the Tzar was held as one of the best Tzars in Russian history.
 
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kernals12

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What if the Tzar was never overthrown? What would happen to China or the surrounding countries? Or the United States?
If the Tsar isn't overthrown, the entire 20th century as we know it is butterflied away although you need to be more specific about why the Tsar isn't overthrown.
 

kernals12

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Nicky's decision to go to war with A-H is what caused the Germans to intervene and then the French in a chain reaction that gave us World War I. If Russia stays out, the Austro-Serbian War becomes a minor footnote in history. We'd have no communism and no fascism since the latter was a reaction to the former. There'd be no Holocaust and no Cold War. The Middle East is less of a powderkeg with the Ottomans remaining in control. Decolonization is probably delayed. It's highly unlikely that Tsarist rule would survive, a future Tsar would be forced to cede power to the Duma. The Irish Home Rule Act of 1914 IOTL was postponed because of WW1, so the Irish would be satisfied with local rule and Ireland would still be part of Britain. Imperial Japan becomes the country everyone hates.
 
Let's say Nicholas II somehow survives the February Revolution (or Michael takes the throne). In order for this to be binding, he must exit the war, which leads to:

German victory in France before the Americans arrive.
A somewhat lenient peace treaty offered by the Germans to the British and Americans.
France reduced to second rate power status, and inconsequential for the rest of the Century.
A Democratic Russia emerges since the monarchy has now been seriously compromised, a constitutional monarchy results.
USA switches focus to the Pacific earlier, leads to war with Japan, US wins (sans atomic bomb), Britain intervenes to curb American power.
No WWII as similar to OTL
You get largely the world you see today, except Britain and Germany stronger, Russia weaker.
The superpowers are USA, Britain, Germany
 

kernals12

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Let's say Nicholas II somehow survives the February Revolution (or Michael takes the throne). In order for this to be binding, he must exit the war, which leads to:

German victory in France before the Americans arrive.
A somewhat lenient peace treaty offered by the Germans to the British and Americans.
France reduced to second rate power status, and inconsequential for the rest of the Century.
A Democratic Russia emerges since the monarchy has now been seriously compromised, a constitutional monarchy results.
USA switches focus to the Pacific earlier, leads to war with Japan, US wins (sans atomic bomb), Britain intervenes to curb American power.
No WWII as similar to OTL
You get largely the world you see today, except Britain and Germany stronger, Russia weaker.
The superpowers are USA, Britain, Germany
If Nicholas chooses to pull out of a war that he basically started and leaves France and Britain hanging, it would be disastrous at home and abroad, he would be labelled a coward.
 
If Nicholas chooses to pull out of a war that he basically started and leaves France and Britain hanging, it would be disastrous at home and abroad, he would be labelled a coward.
Well we know what happened when he stayed in the war. What do propose as the circumstances for him NOT being overthrown.
 
Well we know what happened when he stayed in the war. What do propose as the circumstances for him NOT being overthrown.
I believe he would have to stay out of WW1. As well as quell the thirst for revolution from the extremists and he would have to make Russia more modern. Which would've cost many resources and lives and even then he may not have stayed in power. Because the only reason Stalin could do it because he had so much power and influence and struck fear in almost every Russian the Tzar did not have any of these traits. (sorry for bad grammar)
 
I believe he would have to stay out of WW1 as well as quell the thirst for revolution from the communists and he would have to make Russia more modern which would've cost many resources and lives and even then he may not have stayed in power because the only reason Stalin could do it because he had so much power and influence and struck fear in almost every Russian the Tzar did not have any of these traits.
Ok I see you changed the conditions, I'll get back to you.
 

kernals12

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I believe he would have to stay out of WW1 as well as quell the thirst for revolution from the communists and he would have to make Russia more modern which would've cost many resources and lives and even then he may not have stayed in power because the only reason Stalin could do it because he had so much power and influence and struck fear in almost every Russian the Tzar did not have any of these traits.
The Tsar wasn't overthrown by the communists. There were 2 revolutions: the February revolution that forced the Tsar to abdicate and be replaced by a moderate interim government that was to run the country until a constituent assembly could draft a new democratic constitution. The October revolution, better described as a coup, was caused because the leader of the interim government, Alexander Kerensky, alienated the military leaving him with nothing to defend against the Bolsheviks.
 

kernals12

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I believe he would have to stay out of WW1. As well as quell the thirst for revolution from the extremists and he would have to make Russia more modern. Which would've cost many resources and lives and even then he may not have stayed in power. Because the only reason Stalin could do it because he had so much power and influence and struck fear in almost every Russian the Tzar did not have any of these traits. (sorry for bad grammar)
Russia was modernizing before the war.
 
Russia was modernizing before the war.
Indeed, but they were not at the level as Britain or America were at because they already had their industrial revolution if all went well for Russia they would've stayed out of the war and had their own industrial revolution while the other Europian powers needed resources and they could've stayed neutral so no fighting would happen on Russian soil and they would become rich by being a main exporter for other Europian countries.
 
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