Alternate Politicians - Before 1900

[blerpiez]

Leland Stanford Jr. (1868-1938)
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Offices Held:
U.S. Representative from California (1895-1899)
U.S. Secretary of Commerce (1899-1905)
Governor of California (1911-1919, 1923-1933)
President of the United States (1933-1938)

Political Party:
Republican (until 1908)
Co-operative (1910-1938)

same timeline:
Herbert Hoover (1874-1964)

Political party:
Republican (until 1896)
Democratic (1896-1910)
Co-operative (1910-1964)

Offices held:
Mayor of Nevada City, CA (1905-1911)
California State Senator (1911-1915)
California Mines Commissioner (1915-1919)
U.S. Secretary of Labor (1933-1941)

 

[SomeGuyOnline]

Leland Stanford Jr. (1868-1938)
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Offices Held:
U.S. Representative from California (1895-1899)
U.S. Secretary of Commerce (1899-1905)
Governor of California (1911-1919, 1923-1933)
President of the United States (1933-1938)

Political Party:
Republican (until 1908)
Co-operative (1910-1938)

Why did he die in the middle of his term?

 

[blerpiez]

Why did he die in the middle of his term?

natural causes - he was 70.

my thin outline is that
1) Stanford Jr. doesn't die when he's 15 and follows his father into politics
2) He is a major Bryan supporter in 1896 (in fact Stanford Sr. had some populist-friendly ideas as a senator in his later life), Bryan wins and Stanford winds up in the cabinet
3) He becomes governor as a reform candidate (in place of Hiram Johnson)
4) The D/R parties both are more conservative in the1910-20s so that the Co-operatives can become a major national party and eventually win the presidency.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

4) The D/R parties both are more conservative in the1910-20s so that the Co-operatives can become a major national party and eventually win the presidency.

How

 

[Sir William Jol]

George Washington (1732–1847)​

Name: George Washington
Born: February 22, 1732
Died: December 24, 1847 (aged 115)
Political Party:
Independent (until 1800; 1824-1847)
Federalist (1800-1824)
Spouse: Martha Dandridge (m. 1759; d. 1802)

List of Offices:
Member of the Virginia House of Burgesses (July 24, 1758 - June 24, 1775)
Delegate from Virginia to the Continental Congress (September 5, 1774 - June 16, 1775)
14th Chancellor of the College of William and Mary (April 30, 1788 - December 22, 1822)
Commander in Chief of the Continental Army (June 19, 1775 - December 23, 1783)
7th Senior Officer of the United States Army (July 13, 1798 - December 24, 1847)
1st and 7th President of the United States (April 30, 1789 - March 4, 1797; March 4, 1831 - December 24, 1847)
21st Governor of Virginia (December 1, 1819 - December 11, 1827)

From my ninth installment of my "Back in the Big Chair" series on the List of Alternate PMs and President's thread.

 

[SomeGuyOnline]

Name: David Rice Atchison
Date of Birth: August 11, 1807
Date of Death: January 26, 1886 (age 78)
Political Party: Democratic

List of Offices Held:
Member of the Missouri House of Representatives (1834-1841)
U.S. Senator from Missouri (October 14, 1843 – October 8, 1849)
President Pro Tempore of the United States Senate (August 8, 1846 – October 8, 1849)
President of the United States (October 8, 1849 - March 4, 1857)

Extra notes:
- Became president after the deaths of President Taylor and VP Fillmore in a carriage accident

(A/N: This is the David Rice Atchison scenario from Mike Resnick's "Alternate Presidents" book)

 

[Sir William Jol]

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Name: David Rice Atchison
Date of Birth: August 11, 1807
Date of Death: January 26, 1886 (age 78)
Political Party: Democratic

List of Offices Held:
Member of the Missouri House of Representatives (1834-1841)
U.S. Senator from Missouri (October 14, 1843 – October 8, 1849)
President Pro Tempore of the United States Senate (August 8, 1846 – October 8, 1849)
President of the United States (October 8, 1849 - March 4, 1857)

Extra notes:
- Became president after the deaths of President Taylor and VP Fillmore in a carriage accident

(A/N: This is the David Rice Atchison scenario from Mike Resnick's "Alternate Presidents" book)

Atchison would've became the Acting President, not the actual president, according to the Presidential Succession Act of 1792 which stated that in the case of a vacancy in both the offices of president and vice president that the President pro tempore of the Senate would become Acting President until a special presidential election could be organized for the nearest November (in this case with Taylor's and Fillmore's deaths occurring in October it would be the next year's November, 1850). Fun fact, such a special election would be for a full four year term which would shift all future presidential elections by two years, with presidential elections occurring in years that we would typically think of as midterm elections.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

we would typically think of as midterm elections.

So they happen simultaneously ITTL?

 

[Sir William Jol]

So they happen simultaneously ITTL?

Yes but in such a world those "midterm elections" would not be called midterms due to not being during a presidential term of office. Instead the other elections held during the year that the US would typically have a presidential election would most likely be known as midterm elections (I know, I know, very confusing).

Think of it like this: Let's say President Zachary Taylor and Vice President Millard Fillmore both died in office in a carriage accident on October 8, 1849 then President pro tempore of the Senate David Rice Atchison would become Acting President until a special presidential election could be held on the first Monday after the first Tuesday of November in 1850. Atchison would leave office as Acting President on March 4, 1851 to the newly elected President. The next presidential election would take place in November 1854, then 1858, then 1862, and so on, and so on, up to the present day. Usually those years are known as midterm elections to us but in such a timeline the elections known as midterms would be in 1852, 1856, 1860, 1864, etc.

 

[LAHistorian15]

James A. Beaver (1837-1914)
​

Name: James Addams Beaver
Born: October 21, 1837
Died: January 31, 1914
Political Party:

Republican​

List of Offices:
20th United States Governor of Pennsylvania (January 16, 1883 - January 20, 1891)
35th Member of the United States House of Representatives from Pennsylvania’s 11th District (March 4, 1893 - March 3, 1897)
25th President of the United States of America (March 4, 1897 - March 4, 1905)

 

[TrevorFromStarWars]

Do they have to be OTL people here

 

[Joseph Weaver]

Jefferson Davis
(June 3, 1808-December 6,1889

1st President of the United Provinces
In Office
March 4, 1844-March 4, 1853

Monarch: Victoria
Vice President: Edmund Walker Head
Proceeded By: Office Established
Succeded By: Winfield Scott

4th Governor General of British North America
In Office
January 30, 1844-March 4, 1844

Monarch: Victoria
Proceeded By: Charles Metcalfe
Succeded By: Office Abolished​

 

[Wmh-fanatic]

Name: John Tyler
Born: March 29, 1790
Died: July 14, 1872 (aged 82)
Political Party:

• Independent (1841 - 1872)
• Whig (1834 - 1841)
• Democratic (1828-1834)

Offices Held:

• Acting President of the Confederate States (1872)
• Speaker of the House of the Confederate States (1867 - 1872)
• C.S. Representative from Virginia (1862 - 1872)
• 10th President of the United States (1841 - 1845)
• Vice President of the United States (1841)
• U.S. Senator from Virginia (1827 - 1836)
• Governor of Virginia (1825 - 1827)

 

[Sir William Jol]

Made with inspiration from @okmangeez's The American Dream: An American Officer ISOTed to the Revolutionary War and various one-off ISOT wikiboxes in the Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes thread.

President Samuel A. Kim, the "Father" of the United States (1748—1948)

Lieutenant General Samuel Anyoung Kim, the "Iron Commandant", of the United States Marines before the Invasion of Quebec, 1775

Name: Samuel Anyoung Kim
Born: April 3, 1748 [O.S. January 31, 1748], Hanyang, Joseon
Died: November 14, 1948 (aged 200 years, 207 days), Xin, New York
Political Party:

Independent​

Spouse:

Elizabeth Green (m. 1778; d. 1878)​

Children:

Benedict Arnold Jr. (b. 1768, adopted 1777; d. 1845)​

Richard Arnold (b. 1769, adopted 1777; d. 1847)​

Henry Arnold (b. 1772, adopted 1777; d. 1846)​

Justin Jin-un Kim (b. 1780; d. 1980)​

Relatives:

Kim family​

Occupation:

Military officer • statesman • writer • author • inventor • Founder of the New York Times • newspaper editor • playwright • political activist • novelist • poet • composer • comic book writer and illustrator • animator • film producer • Founder of The National Media Company of America​

Genres:

 Horror, counter-history, futurism, science-fiction, romance, romantic-fiction, drama, political drama, historical, mystery, short story, poetry, alternate history​

Literary Movement: Fanaticism • Temporalism • Agnistic Monalatry

List of Military Offices:
Allegiance: United States
Branch/Service:

Connecticut Milita​

Continental Army​

United States Marines​

United States Army​

Years of Service:

1775-1775 (Connecticut Militia)​

1775-1775 (Continental Army)​

1775-1780 (United States Marines)​

1788-1900 (United States Army)​

Rank:

Colonel (Connecticut Militia)​

Major General (Continental Army)​

Lieutenant General (U.S. Marines)​

General (U.S. Army)​

General of the Armies (promoted in 1915 by Congress)​

List of Political Offices:
1st President of the United States (April 20, 1780 - February 10, 1788)
1st Senior Officer of the U.S. Army (1780-1948)

Major Wars/Battles:
American Revolutionary War (1775-1777)
Battle of Bunker Hill (1775)
Invasion of Quebec (1775)
Anglo-American War (1832-1836)

Notable Works:
The Revolutionary War: A Perspective from Samuel Kim (1778) • The Avengers: The Beginning (1778) • Avengers: The Revolution (1778) • Avengers: America's Mightiest Heroes (1778) • The Necessity of the Republic and the Constitution (1778) • Emancipation Proclamation • 2020 Americana: A Retrospective (1803) • Tales from Cascadia (1804-1806) • Fallout: A Wasteland of Nightmares (1812) • The People's Commonwealth Manifesto (1821) • Sojourn to the Past (1822) • All Quiet on Jefferson's Front (1834) • The War in Heaven Saga (1838-1850)
Don Corleone • The Seventh Spy Tetralogy • "Never Will I Give You Up" • "Do Not Stop Believing" • Mr. Lorax, Speaker of the Trees • Grapes of Wrath • 12 Angry Men (1879) • Django The Freeman (1880) • 2020: A Nightmare • War Never Changes • Problem Sleuth series • Gutsy Gumshoe • Lost in the 21st Century • American Psychotic • Oh Lord, The Stars • For Want of a Lover • Brother Bear • The Redemption of the Dead (1922) • The Great Gatsby (1923) • Call On Saul (1924) • Homeward Bound (1930) • Kim's Journey (1933)

Also assisted the writing of the Declaration of Independence with Thomas Jefferson, the Constitution of the United States at the Constitutional Convention of 1777, the addition of the Bill of Rights amendments to the Constitution with James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton's Progressive Manifesto in 1812.

 

[Rafi_T]

The Father, the Son, the Friend, and the Disciple

John Adams
Born: 30 October, 1735 Braintree, Massachusetts Bay, British America (now Quincy)
Died: 30 October, 1826 (91) (Quincy, Massachusetts)
Part: Pro-Administration (before 1795)/Federalist (1795-c.1821)/Democratic-Republican (from c.1821)

His Highness, the President of the United States of America and the Protector of their Liberties (14 September, 1787-1805)

John Quincy Adams
Born: 11 July, 1767 (Braintree, Massachusetts Bay, British America) (now Quincy)
Died: 11 July, 1849 (Quincy, Massachusetts) (82)
Party: Federalist (1792-1821)/Democratic-Republican (1821-1849)

Class 1/2 Senator from Massachusetts (1803-1815/1837-1847)
Secretary of State (1815-1821)
His Highness, the President of the United States of America and the Protector of their Liberties (1821-1837)
Governor of Massachusetts (1834-1836)
U.S. Representative from Massachusetts (1847-1849)

Henry Clary Sr.
Born: 12 April, 1777 (Hanover County, Virginia)
Died: 29 June, 1853 (Lexington, Kentucky) (76)
Party: Democratic-Republican (1797-1853)

Kentucky State Representative (1804-1811)
U.S. Representative from Kentucky (1811-1827)
Secretary of State (1827-1831)
Class 3 Senator from Kentucky (1831-1841)
His Highness, the President of the United States of America and the Protector of their Liberties (1841-1853)

Daniel Webster
Born: 18 January, 1782 (Salisbury, New Hampshire)
Died: 24 January, 1858 (Marshfield, Massachusetts) (76)
Political party: Federalist (before 1825)/Democratic-Republican (1825-1853)

U.S Representative from New Hampshire (1813-1817)
U.S.. Representative from Massachusetts (1823-1827)
Class 1 Senator from Massachusetts (1827-1837)
His Highness, the President of the United States of America and the Protector of their Liberties (1837-1841/1853-1857)
Secretary of State (1841-1845/1849-1853)
Vice-President of the United States (1841-1845/1849-1853)

Details:
1. Constitution's approved the very day that it's engrossed, and the states have their delegates approve it right there and there (and elect federal politicians beforehand to get the government rolling out as soon as possible.
2. John Adams gets his ideal name for the Presidency approved (no idea what the title of Vide-President would be, or if it was just the same).
3. JQA's never expelled from the Federalist party, but he's not a fanatic, so he's a "Soft" Federalist alongside the likes of Madison (who Jefferson doesn't manage to convert ITTL).
4. JQA becomes a D-R in 1821 since there's not enough Federalist electors to decide the Presidency. John Adams corrects the record regarding Hamilton now that it won't affect his son's standing in the now (nationally) defunct party.
5. No split within the D-R's in 1824. Party remains, and Democrats split off in opposition to JQA's policies (taking the Whigs' role of forming to oppose Jackson). As such, the party chugs along until 1856, when they turn into Republicans.
6. Anti-Masonic and Nullifier parties are never born. (No Tariff of Abominations.)
7. Andrew Jackson is Secretary of War for life (1821-8 June, 1845), followed by John Bell (8 June, 1845-3 March, 1847).
8. There is only the First Bank of the United States, dutifully recharted every 20 years.

 

[Rafi_T]

Bettering the Union’s Performance
(In the Civil War, Generals very much count as politicians) (Plus, wanted as few transfers as possible, and the positions are only those offered IOTL, so no Grant as commander in 1861.)

Hiram Ulysses Grant
Born: 27 April 1822 (Point Pleasant, Ohio)
Died: 27 July 1890 (Wilton, New York) (68)

Lieutenant General (Commanding/Ceremonial) (2 March 1864 - 4 March 1865/4 March 1885- 27 April 1890)
Commanding General of the Army (Commanding/Ceremonial) (2 March 1864 - 4 March 1865/4 March 1885- 27 April 1890)
His Highness, the President of the United States of America and the Protector of their Liberties (1865-1885)
(Age of retirement is 64, but under Presidential order can be extended to 68, which is done to give him a good retirement. Serves with Sherman due to running for President. Is president for 5 terms. Placed higher in his West Point class; assigned cavalry rather than infantry.)

George Henry Thomas
Born: 31 July 1816 (Newsom's Depot, Virginia)
Died: 31 July 1870 (San Francisco, California) (54)

Commander of the Army of the Ohio (August 1862 - 1 August 1865)
(Accepts command of the Army of the Ohio the first time it's offered to him, even over his trepidation due to Buell's blessing. Thomas never has a limp. Crushes Bragg at Perryville, capturing Camp Dick Robinson, also helping Grant out at Shiloh. Thanks to @Fearless Leader for the inspiration from WI: Decisive Union Victory at Perryville?)

George Brinton McClellan
Born: 3 December 1826 (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
Died: 3 January 1886 (West Orange, New Jersey) (59)

Commander of the Army of the Potomac (25 July 1861 - 28 June 1865)
(Crushes at Antietam, saving his career. Reverses the fate of his battles, meaning that he's just as slow, but his success justifies him staying at the head of the army.)

Winfield Scott
Born: 13 June 1786 (Dinwiddie County, Virginia)
Died: 29 June 1866 (West Point, New York) (80)

Commanding General of the Army (24 February 1828 - 29 June 1866)
Lieutenant General (29 March 1847 - 29 June 1866)
(Scott doesn't retire, but is in a purely consulting role. Anaconda Plan is fully implemented from the go.)

William Tecumseh Sherman
Born: 8 February 1820 (Lancaster, Ohio)
Died: 18 February 1891 (New York City, New York) (71)

Lieutenant General (Savannah Campaign - 8 February 1888)
Commanding General of the Army (Savannah Campaign - 8 February 1888)
(Age of retirement is 64, but under Presidential order can be extended to 68, which is done. Sherman is appointed since Grant will be dealing with running for President.)

Henry Wager Halleck
Born: 16 January 1815 (Westernville, New York)
Died: 19 January 1872 (Louisville, Kentucky) (57)

Commanding General of the Army (Commanding) (1 November 1861- 2 March 1864)
(Scott gets his way and Lincoln appoints Halleck as his replacement in actual command rather than McClellan.)

John Alexander Logan
Born: 9 February 1826 (Murphysboro, Illinois)
Died: 9 March 1891 (Washington, D.C) (65)

Commander of the Army of the Tennessee (22 July 1864 - 1 August 1865)
(Sherman permanently appoints him after the death of James B. McPherson rather than Oliver O. Howard.)
Class 2/3 Senator from Illinois (1871-1883/1885-1891)

Sydney Smith Lee
Born: 2 September 1802 (Camden, New Jersey)
Died: 22 September 1870 (Richland, Stafford County) (68)

Service: US Navy (1820- 2 September 1870)

Albert Sidney Johnston
Born: 2 February 1803 (Washington, Kentucky)
Died: 2 February 1871 (Los Angeles, California) (68)

Service: Left US Army 3 May 1861. Remained neutral.