Alternate Outcomes of WWI / German Plans (with maps)

But was a negotiated peace ever likely?

My impression is that both sides were too committed to victory for that to be a runner. It's going to be a "peace of victory" one way or the other.

My answer is yes, because a negotiated settlement can be spun as amounting to victory.
 
I love these but in the future I think you should remember something. Which I only discovered last year reading some books on the cables between British departments. The British government felt that they could not return SouthWest Africa, New Guinea and Samoa to the Germans as the Dominions would hate them for giving up their own first colonies and conquests and that they would have to find something else to give the Germans. The Germans apparently also thought this. Congo would have worked. Also didnt Germany offer to leave Belgium in exchange for Congo? The Japanese would also probably not give anything up while the Chinese might nullify the things with the Germans. Also will you have the Prussians do what they did to Nappy 3 or what Nappy 1 did to everyone, being to take their art, weapons, bank contents and put stiff reperation payment plans on everyone? Also, would you make a map where the Austrian emperor had his way and Lenin wasnt send to Russia? Still red Russia but less from Bolsheviks bleeding the original revolutionaries.1.Belgium was garuanteed its independence and France trying to annex it would be seen as a thread to the British and Dutch. And in real life the British gave much land to the French in Africa who didnt earn it. They could have allied with Germany and crushed the French empire. They could give up their influence areas in China outside Tibet to the Chinese and Japanese in exchange for Siam and parts of Indochina and th eFrench INdia. And why on earth would the British see fit to invade an ally they had for centuries especially as they liked the notion of small countries holding colonies instead of their enemies. And those were mostly costly colonies. The British already had most of what they wanted. France would not have been able to do anything about gaining Congo or any bit of Angola. More likely to be made a buffer state like Ethiopia. If you cut up Englands ally why not just go further than that? Give Timor, New Guinea and the islands in between to Australia. Give Denmark Holstein which the Danish Czarina would push for aanyways and then have the Danes give up all their islands to the British. Give the Danish the Prussian islands and make aa Hanover protectorate maybe.2I had been thinking of asking for the subgroups of Prussia to go up and for the Russians of staying in in the map thread. You seem to think of quite a few ideas before we can. Maybe you could use the light blue from the Africa protectorates or inside Indochina to show the areas being Francified? Is that what the small stuff in there is? Also have you considered having the German led Romania or the militant Slavic Bulgaria swich sides in one of these? And why doesnt China, Japan and America join in this? The Americans didn't want to be with the Czar? And would you consider the British going through with their promise of a Assyrian state or maybe the usual Kurdish Kingdom? And why not have the British just move the borders of Luzambourg and Belgium east until they hit the Rhine? Would balance things a bit and let the British get make land in katanga. Pentacle? Also I think the thing for North Ireland and South Ireland happened early in the war and started before it. IT just hadnt went into effect.3Britain wouldnt go for that thing with China. It shrinks their power. They supported the American Open Door partially because how things went down in the Americas. Everyone declares independence from everyone, the British move in and finance everything, and they don't need to worry about protecting backwards areas or facing revolution. Plus this leave no buffer zones. And again the Americans would never allow it. The Machilvian Brits would recognize that. Glad to see tis one doesnt allow the Serbs to steal the land of the Montenegrins after they helped them. And why is Britain th eonly one to give the Italians land in Libya? Make themselves look good? Do the British have the Ionians?4.Why is Nambia that color? And didn't Britain join the war? No giving up Walvis bay? Did Germany take all of greater Luxembourg? Did you also annex Belgian Limburg or are they thinking of trading it with the Dutch for New Geuina? 5.Goof for the restricted uboat activity as they never had enough to do damage with a third always in the dock at a time anyways. And Germany gets Svalbard? I wondered if you would use it. Though considering how many Russiand Norwegians and others were on it it could be an issue as it was given to Norway after the war as compensation for all the Norwegian ships sunk and to keep it from their rivals so long as the islands were demilitarized. Who has Bear Island? Might I suggedt going over Petsamo for Finland? Maybe give the country Kola or more of Karelia. I hear that the Germans thought of offering the King of Sweden the Crown of Finland in thanks ofr not helping the Danes against them earlier. If you did something about the Austrian and German struggle with each other over Swelstig and Holstein and would appreciate it. And why isn't Denmark in the group? I know that Nappoleon the Third and Bismark agreed that Iberia and Italy went for French influence while the Low Countries and Scandinavia went to German influence so I think it would stand here too. And why did you break up the Union of South Africa?And do the Germans make those others in their economic group peg their currencies to the mark? And is danish led Greece left out of the economic union like Denmark because the of the Czarina? And why did the Ottomans join? Wasnt it a flase flag operation by the Germans that brought them in in real life?6.I wonder what would happen if the Mexicans brought up to the Americans the Zimmerman Telegram or if the Americans had proof that the Germans caused the Black Tom explosions. The responsible person who the Germans decked with medals after the Americans released him. In this do the Germans still use the sabotuers and give the Mexican guerillaas advisors for their attacks on Americans?Anyways Poland is not completely free from German influence due to economics and the need for a port unless the Gemrans do what they did before and crush them with high tolls and not allowing trade. The one you give them seems a bit iffy. I don't see how all those places became leftist though. Is it because in this one there was no intervention, Poland didn't start it's fight eatward, and the Russian leadership actually supported the locals with their independence movemtns? I think you may alsto want to show the communist influnce in Chinese Turkestan. And why not just have the Azerbajain areas unite? Turkey wanted them indpendent and might not mind the Georgians as neighbors. I also see they sold Armenia down the river. And is there a reason for the different shades of green? And how do the Germans think they can manage to take back any land in Africa considering they only had one army whch was in Moxambique? Try Lettow heading into Rhodesia perhaps though or making him the head of an independent African area. Or at least put on the small protectorate the Germans gave to the British against the wishes of the natives and give that back to the Germans.7Why exactly were the Austrians ready to give up Bukovina? And why not simply get the Russians to invade Persia and Afghanistaan and make a go for India?8Why would the British agree to give up all of those colonies they had conquered? Not as if they couldnt just continue to blockade the Germans into starvation as before. Besides they would at least want to eastern Congo and some land for the Boers. Whos side was Italy on here?9The spheres of influence in Iran and Siam where agreed upon by the Europeans. No reason they would go away. And why is there blaack between Sarawak and Sabah? And why do the Germans get any colonies when they already lost them all? Besides the point that colonies were expensive certainly the British still had the best. No reason for them to give up Biafra. Make more sense to simply shove the German and Belgian lands together as one massive mandate for the world like some suggested. I also do not think that their were enough Assyrians left alive perhaps despite what I said earlier. I also think that most Armenians in that area were already dead and that that is larger than Wilsonian Armenia. Lots of Greeks there too. And why does Serbia the one who started all this so as to prevent peace within Austria Hungary and their Slavs get to gain all of Bosnia like they wanted? There are a good deal of Croats in there. And PEtsamo again. And shouldn't the Middle East be more like the French Mandate which had seperate areas for the Allawepo, the Druze, the Maronites, the Turks and such? And why take away that land from Spain? They would easily give up the rest but they treated Spanish Morroco like the French did northern Algeria. I might also suggest offering to trade the Italians Somalia for Tunisia. Where they had most of the Italians on the continent. We should discuss this in further.10.Who is incharge of Arabia, the Hashemenites, the Sauds, those NEdj people..? And if they are going to have Turkey keep the lands of Armenians, Shia, Arabs, Kurds, and Assyrians instead of the Turkish land that the French are in, should I prmeuse they will bend over backwards for this agreement? Will the plan to internationalize the straits go through as planned? And would the British try slipping into the treaty that they own Suez again? And what is with Albania? If anything the Greeks whould have lost land.
 
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As much as I've enjoyed looking at the maps, I must admit that they're rather confusing to read. Would anyone care to make a key for them? That would be much appreciated. Thank you.
 
As much as I've enjoyed looking at the maps, I must admit that they're rather confusing to read. Would anyone care to make a key for them? That would be much appreciated. Thank you.

What colors do you find confusing? If it's Russia, they have seperate colors for monarchial, communistic, and republican governments.
 
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