Alternate Imperial Electors

What I'm looking for is plausible variations of Prince Electors arising during the Hohenstaufen-Welf(-Pope) conflicts.

The Imperial Electors derive from those of the German Electors, those electing the King of the East Franks / Germans. These were the leaders (Dukes) of the "German Nations" - Franks, Saxons, Swabians, Bavarians - also called the Stem Duchies, and the premier, probably 3, Archbishops.
The inheritance of Burgundy and conquest of Italy creating the later named Holy Roman Empire meant the German Electors tended to elect the Emperor and his heir/successor.
The fragmentation of the Stem Duchies altered the secular Electors:
Franconia -> Count Palatine of the Rhine - as premier noble of Franconia.
Swabia -> Margrave of Brandenburg - probably through Welf support then switched to Hohenstaufen
Saxony -> (lesser/younger) Dukes of Saxony
Bavaria -> Dukes of Bavaria - later passed to Kings of Bohemia when the Dukes inherited the Rhine Palatinate.
The Archbishop of Mainz was a permanent Elector by Frederick II, as was Trier I believe. Cologne seems to have been a Welf supporter, Aquileia seems to have been a Hohenstaufen supporter, but I'm not sure when before the Golden Bull that Cologne became permanent.

So, what plausible variations can we come up with. Can we get parity on secular and spiritual where the Empire is divided into Electorates containing one of each?
Etc etc
 
Might Thuringia get its own elector? I'm a little surprised that they didn't. Were the Thuringians not considered a stem duchy for some reason?

Perhaps the rule is that should the secular electoral line die out, the position of prince-elector must be given to another line in the same area. So, e.g. the Swabian electorate goes to a Swabian prince. The problem is what happens if the line "migrates", as it did with Saxony.

As to additional ecclesiastical electors, I could see Wurzburg, Bremen, Magdeburg and Munster being strong candidates.
 
Might Thuringia get its own elector? I'm a little surprised that they didn't. Were the Thuringians not considered a stem duchy for some reason?
It was a march of the Saxons I believe.

Perhaps the rule is that should the secular electoral line die out, the position of prince-elector must be given to another line in the same area. So, e.g. the Swabian electorate goes to a Swabian prince. The problem is what happens if the line "migrates", as it did with Saxony.
The position was/became hereditary so tended to do that. There was a problem over whether purely hereditary or connected to the title hence the arguments as the coDukes (Saxony, Bavaria) and coMargraves became separate lines and both/all claimed the vote.

As to additional ecclesiastical electors, I could see Wurzburg, Bremen, Magdeburg and Munster being strong candidates.
I think only Magdeburg was an archbishopric at the time. Electors were supposed to be the top nobles secular and spiritual.
I'd think Besanzon and Aquileia should be prime candidates for expansion.
 
Maybe you could have the Lauenburg branch of the Saxons get the electoral dignity instead of the Wittenberg one.
Although this neat 7 fixed electors is mostly a post-Golden Bull mechanism, before that the election process far less "refined".
 
Maybe you could have the Lauenburg branch of the Saxons get the electoral dignity instead of the Wittenberg one.
Although this neat 7 fixed electors is mostly a post-Golden Bull mechanism, before that the election process far less "refined".
Yeah the intent is a different "refinement".
 
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Although this neat 7 fixed electors is mostly a post-Golden Bull mechanism, before that the election process far less "refined".
Yeah the intent is a different "refinement".

That's true most of the members of what became the imperial electoral college were the ones, most involved in the procedure of the election. However the entire Upper Nobility of the German Kingdom (basically the combination of East Francia and Lotharingia), originally were all allowed to vote.
As far as worldly princes go, perhaps all the stem duchies should keep a representative as would eventually Bohemia, perhaps joined by representatives for the Bavarian and Saxon Marches. This would mean Franconia, Saxony, Swabia, Bavaria, Lower Lotharingia (OTL ultimately Brabant), Upper Lotharingia (OTL eventually Lorraine), Carinthia (Bavarian Marches), Saxon Marches (OTL Brandenburg) and Bohemia.
As for the Ecclesiastic electors perhaps the other Archbishoprics Hamburg-Bremen, Salzburg and Magdeburg are allowed to join Mainz, Trier and Cologne.

This would mean an electoral college of 15 members, still manageable (a majority can still decide) and more representable for the realm North of the Alps.
 
That's true most of the members of what became the imperial electoral college were the ones, most involved in the procedure of the election. However the entire Upper Nobility of the German Kingdom (basically the combination of East Francia and Lotharingia), originally were all allowed to vote.
As far as worldly princes go, perhaps all the stem duchies should keep a representative as would eventually Bohemia, perhaps joined by representatives for the Bavarian and Saxon Marches. This would mean Franconia, Saxony, Swabia, Bavaria, Lower Lotharingia (OTL ultimately Brabant), Upper Lotharingia (OTL eventually Lorraine), Carinthia (Bavarian Marches), Saxon Marches (OTL Brandenburg) and Bohemia.
As for the Ecclesiastic electors perhaps the other Archbishoprics Hamburg-Bremen, Salzburg and Magdeburg are allowed to join Mainz, Trier and Cologne.

This would mean an electoral college of 15 members, still manageable (a majority can still decide) and more representable for the realm North of the Alps.
Could you see Fred II setting this up?
How would you see it evolving into this?
A 10-15 member College by 1400 sounds like it'd fit a few ideas I have.
 
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