Alternate Ideologies

[LuckyLuciano]

Im currently writing a TL where Arielism (the Latin/Mestiza ideology supremacy created by Jose Vasconcelos and Jose Enrique Rodo) becomes a prominent 20th century ideology. Outside of Latin America, the ideology also develops an Arabist offshoot, as the two recognize eachother as “the two great Confluent races” aka the points where Asia, Africa and Europe meet. Does anybody know of any Arab intellectuals or movements that wouldve been along the same lines of Vasconcelos ideology, where being a mix of all races made them better?

 

[Born in the USSA]

Im currently writing a TL where Arielism (the Latin/Mestiza ideology supremacy created by Jose Vasconcelos and Jose Enrique Rodo) becomes a prominent 20th century ideology. Outside of Latin America, the ideology also develops an Arabist offshoot, as the two recognize eachother as “the two great Confluent races” aka the points where Asia, Africa and Europe meet. Does anybody know of any Arab intellectuals or movements that wouldve been along the same lines of Vasconcelos ideology, where being a mix of all races made them better?

I was thinking of using it as a background feature of a TL, it's super interesting. I suppose you could repurpose the Canaanist movement 🤔

Canaanism

An interesting offshoot of the Revisionist wing of Zionism founded by the Israeli poet Yonatan Ratosh. Although they may have initially had some Fascistic influences many individual Canaanites seem to have drifted towards the left in later years. Their main conceit was that much of the Middle East belonged to a Hebrew-speaking civilisation in the past which they sought to revive. This Hebrew civilisation would encompass both Jews and Arabs living in the region as common kin who were merely separated by different religions.

Unlike the mainstream Zionist movement, which the Canaanites at times seem to reject outright, the Canaanites were dismissive of building a Jewish identity, which they saw as religiously based and incapable of sustaining a national identity which they believed had to be grounded in a language and a physical territory. To that end they also favoured severing ties with the Diaspora, or at least dealing with them on the basis of national interest and not due to shared cultural and religious ties, and fully integrate into a Middle-Eastern identity. On matters of religion the Canaanites were staunch secularists and atheists. They saw world Jewry and Islam as medieval holdovers that divided the Hebrew people and should be discarded.


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A statue of Nimrod by Israeli sculptor Yitzhak Danzinger was embraced by the Canaanite movement as a symbol of their ideals of shrugging off Jewish religious tradition and embracing a Hebrew identity based on ancient Semetic mythology. The statue depicts Nimrod as uncircumcised and features distinct influences from Ancient Egyptian statues.

Although the movement never had widespread support, claiming to have just 500 members at their height, their membership contained many influential artists and intellectuals which gave them more influence in Israeli society. For all of their talk of creating a unifying identity for both Jews and Arabs their supporters were pretty much unanimously Jews, although the Israeli Palestinian MK Rostam Bastuni was involved in some of their discussion circles in the 60s.

In the 50s and 60s the movement established a political organisation called Semitic Action which proposed, amongst other things, "a program of secularism, complete civic equality between Jews and Arabs, support for anti-colonial movements, and a relationship with the diaspora based on national interest rather than ethnic, religious, or cultural ties". In addition the organisation has a supporter of Algerian independence, in contrast with the Israeli government, hoping that an independent Algeria could be a friend for Israel in the region. The movement was later revived in 2011 as a "social movement working towards the advancement of dialogue between the Jewish people and other indigenous peoples of the Middle East".

Some Canaanites, such as the founder Yonatan Ratosh and his brother Uzzi Ornan, have also advocated the Latinisation of Hebrew, similar to the Latinisation of Turkish under Ataturk, due to supposed linguistic shortcomings of the Hebrew alphabet and as a means of severing Hebrew's religious connections to Judaism. Some disillusioned Canaanites later became supporters for Palestinian nationhood.


As Collectivist Goodies: Their attempts to forge a unified identity manage to work out pretty well in the end. A robust program of state-atheism and rigorous secularism has eliminated the base for both religious conflict between communities and religion-based reactionary conservatism. This has lead to strong support for the rights of women and LGBT peoples. In terms of foreign policy the Canaanites have been very successful, having reconciled with their neighbours and are part of a regional federation based on pan-Semitic secular nationalism.


As Individualist Goodies: The Canaanite vision of a Hebrew has succeeded, albeit not quite how they imagined. Instead of creating a common culture that would replace the disparate Jewish and Arabic traditions in the region the Hebrew identity has become to be seen as a broad pluralistic category encompassing many different cultures and traditions within it. The Canaanites have embraced this vision of the Hebrew people as a brilliant mosaic of unique disparate parts that create a greater whole. The state is staunchly secular but this hasn't translated into religious persecution and the Hebrew people practice a wide variety of religious traditions ranging from the Abrahamic religions, to a growing Buddhist community and attempts at both Hebrew Neo-Pagan revivalism and Judaeo-Muslim syncretism. For the most part religion is regarded as a purely private matter. There are strong civil rights and anti-discrimination protections for minorities, women and LGBT people. Whilst Arabic and Hebrew are the main national languages, with an education system geared towards bilingualism, there are also strong protections for other languages, both for regional minorities, such as the Circassians, as well as for minor and dying Jewish languages, such as Yiddish and Ladino/Judaeo-Spanish. Peace has been made with their neighbours and they maintain friendly relations with open borders.


As Collectivist Baddies: Things have not gone well. Due to their lack of mass popularity the Canaanites came to power in a military coup and their fascistic tendencies are starting to show. Their anti-religious views have translated into heavy-handed oppression of religious groups which, unsurprisingly, hasn't gone down so well in the Holy Land. Their pretensions towards including Arabs are a façade at best and, with the exception of a few key collaborators, the majority of key positions in the government and economy are held by Jews. Palestinians face widespread discrimination with Arabic outlawed under Hebrewisation laws. Foreign relations are not going well and the Hebrew state is seen as an unstable rogue pariah in the region and has united everyone against them. With so much internal oppression the Canaanites have had to develop an extensive and brutal state security apparatus that would make the Stasi look like a friendly neighbourhood watch. In addition they have also severed their ties with the diaspora and with it their source of immigrants and a considerable degree of soft power. The only thing that has stopped them from being overrun by their neighbours is heavily militarisation, the increasingly grudging support of [insert superpower patron here] and their acquisition of nuclear weapons. Basically North Korea on the Med.


As Individualist Baddies: The Canaanites are able to successfully break down the religious and cultural barriers between the Palestinian and Jewish communities and there are strong individualistic civic rights. At the same time they have fully embraced economic liberalism, whilst trade unions, often tied to Labour Zionism, and cultural institutions, tied to religious or cultural identities, that would have provided social support have been heavily eroded as part of their Hebrew nation-building project. Whilst ethnic oppression has been eliminated, or at least significantly reduced, the Hebrew proletariat toil under the exploitation of the Hebrew bourgeoisie.


Neutrals: The Canaanites have made great leaps in securing civil rights for Palestinians and integrating them into a unified whole. At the same time this hasn't been entirely successful and there is still a lot of de facto discrimination and separatist Palestinian nationalism remains a potent political force. Their attempts to implement secularism have been largely successful albeit at the cost of alienating the various religious communities in the region which has resulted in the rise of a growing religious conservative bloc. There are fierce debates over issues such as banning headscarves and circumcision that are unlikely to be resolved any time soon and probably not to everyone's satisfaction. Despite their best efforts inter-communal violence, both between Jewish and Palestinian ethnic groups as well as religious and secular communities, is still a thing. In terms of foreign relations there has been some success in making peace with their neighbours but ultimately tensions still remain and there are still irredentist hawks in the Canaanite government who insist that the East Bank of the Jordan river should be part of the Hebrew nation.

 

[Born in the USSA]

Im currently writing a TL where Arielism (the Latin/Mestiza ideology supremacy created by Jose Vasconcelos and Jose Enrique Rodo) becomes a prominent 20th century ideology. Outside of Latin America, the ideology also develops an Arabist offshoot, as the two recognize eachother as “the two great Confluent races” aka the points where Asia, Africa and Europe meet. Does anybody know of any Arab intellectuals or movements that wouldve been along the same lines of Vasconcelos ideology, where being a mix of all races made them better?

Actually that reminds me, would racial whitening basically become the right flank of an Arielist movement that became a major global force? They overlap a bit chronologically and geographic proximity if nothing else would suggest they would interact. One idea I used over in the flag thread was a Brazilian Integralism that was influenced by both.

 

[Miranda Brawner]

since the books seem to come down on the side of "self-awareness is at the root of a lot of our problems". It's even implied that humanity is the only intelligent species in the universe that's even conscious

Well, I very much disagree with that thesis, I think that being aware of your thoughts, emotions, and actions can be incredibly helpful, and I think the world would be worse off if we just trusted our gut reactions 100% of the time and never questioned our impulses.

Anyway, that does sound similar to what I had in mind for the fictional society of cybernetic religious fundamentalists, although I think their ideal scenario would allow people to remain conscious and self-aware, but without the urge to do sinful things or disobey scripture. So people would be able to choose freely between various actions that the architects deemed morally acceptable, but any behaviors they didn't approve of would become impossible. Presumably, ince the architects were satisfied with how it turned out, they would lock themselves into this new way of life by removing the ability to tinker with the cybernetics. No going back now!

 

[Born in the USSA]

Well, I very much disagree with that thesis, I think that being aware of your thoughts, emotions, and actions can be incredibly helpful, and I think the world would be worse off if we just trusted our gut reactions 100% of the time and never questioned our impulses.

It's not so much that lack of consciousness is presented as morally superior but rather that it's a waste of brainpower and therefore an evolutionary disadvantage. Imprisoned vampires who can't see each other can nonetheless perfectly strategize a synchronized escape plan by observing their environment and using that to flawlessly calculate what the other ones are doing and the aliens are even more effective. Because they aren't conscious they view all the signals Earth has been blasting out as white noise weaponized to make them waste processing power trying to parse the stimuli.

 

[LuckyLuciano]

I was thinking of using it as a background feature of a TL, it's super interesting. I suppose you could repurpose the Canaanist movement 🤔

I would prefer if the movement retains Islam as their religion. For the TL I'm trying to develop a religious offshoot combining Santeria/Voudon/Candomble with Islam. While Vasconcelos was a firm Catholic, there is going to be a strain among both "Arabists?" and Arielists which adopt the religious sect in preparation for the "Universal Raza Unida". They would be a minority though, like Esperantists.

Actually that reminds me, would racial whitening basically become the right flank of an Arielist movement that became a major global force? They overlap a bit chronologically and geographic proximity if nothing else would suggest they would interact. One idea I used over in the flag thread was a Brazilian Integralism that was influenced by both.

Arielism doesn't become a major global force. It's a distinctly regional ideology limited to Latin America, however the conditions I created in my TL means it spreads like wildfire there and it's success leads to a spillover and some collaboration with a similar Arab ideology which I'm trying to work out since it's out of my area of expertise. Arielism is inherently a right wing ideology, dogmatically opposed to Anglo utilitarianism and espousing the inherent superiority of Greco-Roman romantic and aesthetic tradition. "Cosmic" Arielism is specifically Vasconcelos flavor which seeks racial harmony through the creation of a cosmic race (Mestizos) and advocates that a successful federated Latin America requires a singular race, and institutes laws to that affect, which by their nature are oppressive. It becomes more popular than mainstream non-racialist as a more (unfortunately) cohesive ideology, especially with states even more fractured along race ITTL. This creates plenty of interesting strains though, with branquiemento/blanquiemento being one (like Brazilian Integralists), but also genuine mestizaphiles, early alt Bolivarian socialists, pan-americanists divorced from the whole cosmic race concept, etc. But, they'll have plenty of time to hash that at out the planned 2nd Congress of Panama,,,

 

[Born in the USSA]

Tomorrow's the bonus media update for the Raise the Black Flag! TLIAW over in my King in Yellow TL and afterwards I'm going to do a special one and done update describing the major new ideologies that have developed since the Napoleonic War POD— Rational Anarchism, Finsteresse, Marxist-Trigonism and Lovecraftian Fascism.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Im currently writing a TL where Arielism (the Latin/Mestiza ideology supremacy created by Jose Vasconcelos and Jose Enrique Rodo) becomes a prominent 20th century ideology. Outside of Latin America, the ideology also develops an Arabist offshoot, as the two recognize each other as “the two great Confluent races” aka the points where Asia, Africa and Europe meet. Does anybody know of any Arab intellectuals or movements that wouldve been along the same lines of Vasconcelos ideology, where being a mix of all races made them better?

Sounds like something that'd have a Filipino offshoot too.

 

[Dune]

Tomorrow's the bonus media update for the Raise the Black Flag! TLIAW over in my King in Yellow TL and afterwards I'm going to do a special one and done update describing the major new ideologies that have developed since the Napoleonic War POD— Rational Anarchism, Finsteresse, Marxist-Trigonism and Lovecraftian Fascism.

Marvellous. I was quite curious to know more about those last two.

 

[Schlong Dong McTongs]

Pan-Charlemagnism: Far-Right Ideology focused on uniting territories ruled by the "Franks". Born in France after WW1, the ideology was popular among French Nationalists during the rise of fascism.

 

[Born in the USSA]

Here it is!

The world of The King in Yellow diverged from our own over two centuries before the modern day and, as we've seen, that's quite a head start for all sorts of interesting divergences to pile up. I promise you ain't seen nothing yet and I've got all sorts of fun ideas about the actual divergence point and all sorts of other changes that will spring from it. One of the areas that most intrigues me about alternate history as a genre is the diverse political potential that I most often see explored in amateur (as opposed to commercial) works of the field. And so it is that ideology and politics have divorced quite broadly from OTL, even if there are certainly more resonances in things like geopolitics and historical figures than would be strictly plausible. I wanted to lay out the "big three" schools of thought that have shaped and will continue to shape the TL, three of my own original creations inspired by a confluence of historical factors that never intermingled or cohered here. That isn't to say that there aren't recognizable ones running around, just that they are very much bit players. For example, Marxist-Leninism is a minority position in the Comintern and Social Credit is the chief opposition in the Franco-British sphere from essentially the 1920s on. With that preamble out of the way let's get started!

Rational Anarchism
"Not Reform but Abolition!"

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-Max Stirner, the ideological forebear of Rational Anarchism.
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Rational Anarchism arose out of the American current of individualist anarchism and traces its roots to the 1840s, though it was only fully codified in the 1880s by the troika of Benjamin Tucker, Lissa Stone and Moses Harman. Disregarding any foundation on "natural rights", the Rational Anarchist possesses only those rights that they seize for themselves and as such may choose to allow or disregard any law or moral restriction based on careful consideration. Although the movement functions as a Union of Egoists and may be joined or left on a whim Tucker's original paradigm remains central to the ideology well into the modern day. Tucker identified three obstacles he perceived as entrenching authority and hierarchy which he called the three monopolies:

1. The Money Monopoly described the international banking and finance system and must be defeated by eliminating the price system through the embrace of the labor theory of value and the wholesale replacement of currency with labor vouchers that exchanged work hours for work hours to trade privately held goods and services.​
2. The Land Monopoly described the titled ownership of land and must be defeated by completely eliminating all forms of land ownership, to be replaced with a system where only actively working the land could form a basis to a claim on it.​
3. The Trade Monopoly described the system of international trade barriers and must be defeated by eliminating all tariffs and trade restrictions and completely dismantling the international patent system.​

Stone and Harman also made eugenic individualism a key tenet of the movement. Eugenic individualism regards the body as another commodity to be mastered by the individual and describes as a sign of that mastery complete and inviolable bodily autonomy, with no restrictions on sexual selection or gender expression, no taboos around family structure, and no stock put whatsoever in the formally recognized "institution" of marriage. The existence of reliable chemical birth control since the 1870s and the availability of legal euthanasia since the 1920s have been revolutionary factors and eugenic individualism has become the dominant mode of thought TTL over our own statist take on the issue, with many self-selecting to produce "superior" children either within their own race or between diverse ones as an attempt to induce hybrid vigor. Eugenic individualism remains a common consideration to the present.

An ideology heavily focused on publication, Robert A. Heinlein perfected the World as Myth concept of using fiction to mainline Rational Anarchist discourse into the public consciousness. This has seen the further spread and diversification of Rational Anarchist ideas, though most notably Ayn Rand's Objectivist school is seen as a heresy rooted in multiple fundamental misunderstandings of the tenets of Rational Anarchist thought. Rand's work is now primarily associated with the Finsteresse, a neologism coined by Tucker contracting the German translation of Jeremy Bentham's concept of a sinister interest opposed to reform. Initially describing only the oligarchical tyranny of those profiting from the three monopolies, the modern conception of the Finsteresse is of rule by a secret elite and is commonly associated with panopticon surveillance and an economic model revolving around corporatism.

Marxist-Trigonism
"Antaŭen al Fina Venko! Laboristoj de la Mondo Unuigu!"*

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-The Circle Trigon, a rounded triskelion representing the fundamental principles of Marxist-Trigonism.
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The dominant paradigm in the Communist International and the global communist movement, Marxist-Trigonism cohered through the cross-pollination of ideas and policies among the bloc's member states in the 1920s and 1930s. Far more of a collection of equals than our Comintern could ever claim to be, following Lenin's death his political theory fell into disrepute at the newly communist nations of the world sought to build a true worker's society. The ideology derives its name from its three central tenets:

1. Konciliismo arose out of German council communism and the localist and anarchist-inflected embrace of communism in Spain and Belgium. Operating under the theory that vanguard parties are a threat to the Revolution, Konciliismo views local worker's soviets and popular assemblies as the only true form of government suitable to the working class. To that end Konciliismo also encompasses the concept of Finvenkismo, the embrace of Esperanto as an international language for the working class.​
2. Libera Economio is derived from the Freiwirtschaft economic theories of Silvio Gessel and calls for the elimination of trade barriers within and outside of the bloc to serve as a vector for labor solidarity, the adoption of Georgist land value taxation and free public utilities to ensure public ownership of the commons, and the replacement of traditional "sound" or fiat currencies with a currency that decays in value in order to boost economic velocity and prevent hoarding.​
3. Vorticismo arose out of the Russian God-Builder and Cosmist factions and represents the creation of a proletarian and scientific form of religious expression. Officially a form of deistic humanism, Vorticismo exalts the collective action of the working class as the best possible expression of a higher power in the material world, with the faith's highest commandment being an Esperanto translation of "Vox Populi, Vox Dei". Vorticismo places great stock in science and the arts, operating a network of religious technical schools and art collectives to better expand human potential and spread Marxist-Trigonism outside the Comintern proper and also maintains a distinct art tradition using abstract geometric patterns to draw the eye to the center of any given work.​

Lovecraftian Fascism
"Compare the meager, mundane reality to the world you really desire. Do you see the commonality of interests here? Imagine what we might achieve!"

-"Struggle", a sculpture gifted from Szukalski to Lovecraft to represent the contrast between "quantity", the conformist fingers, and "quality", the fiercely independent opposable thumb responsible for civilization. Aside from traditional fasces the open hand has become a symbol of the global Fascist movement.
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Fascism is a political philosophy first articulated in its current form by HP Lovecraft in his 1932 Independence Party presidential manifesto Some Repetitions on the Times. Originally meant to address the multiple crises of the Great Depression, Fascism spread in the wake of the Second Clash of Civilizations and the resulting wave of decolonization to become a major driving force in the tripolar world order. Fascism consists of a great number of interlocking parts but in general a Fascist system is...

• culturally chauvinistic. Cultures are not considered superior or inferior because of something as trivial as biological heritage, but rather the length of their existence and their material and artistic sophistication. An inferior cultural group can become superior either through cultural assimilation or material development. As such, Fascism places great emphasis on studying history and preserving distinct cultural traditions, facilitating the spread of culture and technology to other Fascist nations, and providing a robust public education system.
• futurist. Technological and scientific advancement is considered an inevitable if somewhat alienating process and a necessary and desirable end goal and is subsidized with robust funding for scientific research.
• feminist. Gender-based constraints are outmoded, with the tenets of eugenic individualism adopted to allow for the maximum participation of all people in the cultural struggle.
• Georgist. Natural resources belong to the nation and ground rent should devolve to the people. The profits of the same help to fund a welfare state consisting of free public utilities and a comprehensive public health service which includes access to family planning and legal euthanasia.
• martial. Cultural struggle between nations is a fact of life and physical clashes between opposing cultural groups and nation-states necessitates a well trained and equipped military and a sophisticated intelligence and domestic security apparatus.
• syndicalist. Government work programs are a necessity but only work that is fairly compensated and satisfying has personal and cultural value. The government serves as the employer of last resort, guaranteeing productive and stimulating work at a living wage. Strong unions are a necessity to prevent exploitation by market forces and private businesses, provided they do not serve as a vector for the culture-dissolving Marxist-Trigonism.
• technocratic. The actual form of a nation's leadership, though ideally democratic, is less important than the soundness of the civil service. Only those with expertise in a field or government agency should be involved in managing it. Anything else leads to the misallocation of resources and rash decisions made by the uninformed.​

Related to Fascism is Zermatism, an art movement pioneered by Polish-Lithuanian artist and political leader Stanislaw Szukalski. Common traits of Zermatist art include exaggerated movements and proportions, the depiction of visceral emotion, and the blending of mythic themes and cultural influences from throughout the Fascist sphere.

*"Onward to Final Victory! Workers of the World, Unite!"

 

[Born in the USSA]

As an aside I counted them up and parsing all the entries in my ideology collection that contain multiple ones in the same link I'm up to 95 102 (I miscounted 😅) distinct AH.com ideologies with their own threads! Let a hundred flowers bloom! Let a hundred schools of thought contend!

 

[Born in the USSA]

Here it is!

I made a standalone post for the ideological big bad of the post cold war world!

Esoteric Fascism
"A Warning to Future Man"


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-The unofficial symbol of Esoteric Fascism, a hamsa reconfigured into a hand of glory, representing the hand of Fascism transformed by death into an illuminator of hidden truth. It's very metal.
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As with many of this world's ideologies, Esoteric Fascism originated from a confluence of ideas and influences rather than springing fully formed from the mind of a single twisted visionary. Born in the black cauldron of the American cultural underground before metastasizing around the world, the earliest precursors of the ideology began to congeal in the 1940s following the resignation of President Lovecraft and the ascent of Clark Ashton Smith to the office. Although Lovecraft himself was far less racist by the time he became president the early Fascist movement had a not insignificant contingent of dyed-in-the-wool white supremacists who had signed on for the Fascist program of national renewal and recoiled at the first President Smith.

A mix of Independents and Populists, this group would be gradually purged from their prior parties, coming together with remnants of the Klan and the Black Legion to form the Workingmen's Party of America. Politically the group would embrace the Fascist program, albeit along explicitly racial rather than cultural lines. Consigned to the fringes, the spiritual void at the core of party would generate a narrative to justify their attitudes and explain away their political irrelevance and Esoteric Fascism was born, a melange of racism, nihilism and half-remembered Theosophy. An obsession with fears of racial pollution and degradation would permeate every facet of the movement, most obviously seen in its cosmology.

Centered on a lost precursor civilization known as the Atlans, bearers of a mystically advanced interstellar empire and masters of a pristine and Edenic Earth, the theory went that at some point conditions changed as a result of malign interference from hypo-dimensional forces* emanating from the sun, dividing the civilization in two and driving it underground. One faction, the Tero, remained pure as another, the Dero became increasingly more degenerate and depraved. Finding that life on the surface was now inimical to them, the Dero would set new plans to dominate the surface into motion.**

The first was to cull the newly risen human race through a global flood, though a surviving population on Easter Island was gradually able to repopulate the planet, necessitating subtler means. The first would be the creation of the Yetinsyny, the Sons of the Yeti, a savage apelike race*** created to corrupt humanity through interbreeding, which the Esoteric Fascists argued was the source of what they classified as inferior races in a far stranger analogue to the dual seed doctrine. The infiltration by the Yetinsyny would be helped along by the Dero, who would use their fearsome psychic powers to project horrific sado-masochistic scenarios into the minds of surface dwellers to induce societal degeneracy.

Convinced they are the heirs to the Atlan and the Tero, the Esoteric Fascists attempt to cultivate their spiritual powers and shield their thoughts from the Dero while avoiding physical contamination from contact with the Yetinsyny. They also believe that there is a proto-human language that when applied reveals the true intent of any word in any modern language and that aging is the result of cosmic radiation and that without it "pure" humans would be immortal. Needless to say they're a fun bunch.


*A conceit cribbed from OTL's Seven Minutes in Eternity, William Dudley Pelley's book about his out of body experience.

**This is taken wholesale from the Shaver Mystery.

***The Easter Island thing and the Yetinsyny are derived from OTL's Zermatism, much more complex but also more singular than the art movement it is in the TL proper.

 

[lionjedi1215]

Electrism, Revolutionarism, Libertism, and Societalism are some ideologies I made
Libertism (Democratic Socialism mixed with Revolutionary Socialism. Libertists believe Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism are reactionary)
Revolutionarism (Basically Totalitarian Trotskyism)
Electrism (It is literally Fascism in a TL where fascism never existed)
Societalism (BurgSys mixed with Totalism)

 

[Born in the USSA]

The basic Cosmicist ideology flag is a standard burgundy/black diagonal bicolor but I came up with a flag for the Cosmicist International. The octopus simultaneously represents intelligence, rugged survival instinct, decentralized decision making and (with the chromatophores) a vast array of personal choice and freedom that complements rather than dissolves the common purpose. The geometric symbol, "the Struggle", simultaneously represents the Earth and its orbits, the social singularity and the interdependence of different approaches and fractions of the revolutionary vanguard. The three slogans are the epigraphs of the three sections the Cosmicist Manifesto is divided into (containing three chapters apiece). The second and third ("Who can stand against us?" and "Through hardship to the stars!") are fairly self-explanatory but the first ("Mobile within a mobile element") is taken from Captain Nemo and represents the precariat in the midst of late-capitalism.

 

[The_Persian_Cat]

Naturism or Nudism:
Naturism/nudism certainly exists in our timeline, but it isn't really central to anyone's political ethic. The modern nudist movement began in the early 1900s, but became more of a thing between the 1950s-1970s, mostly as a countercultural form of recreation than anything else. Some people just enjoyed being nude, and felt they should be able to be nude in public (whether in designated spaces like nude beaches or just anywhere), and -- as far as I know -- the political dimensions of nudism don't really go beyond that.

But what if Nudism became more of a permanent fixture of the radical politics of the 1960s and 1970s, in the same way that drugs or casual sex did? Nude protests were already a thing, so of course nudity had an explicitly political dimension in certain contexts -- breaking taboos and all that. I'm imagining Nudism developing as a kind of secondary or tertiary political identity, on the same level that "vegetarianism" is today -- only a lot less coherent than vegetarianism/veganism. Probably more stupid, too -- maybe political nudism is just more narrowly-focussed on culture war BS. Like, people might become "political nudists" as a form of performative radicalism, and mostly because it "triggers the squares," with a political ethic around why nudity is good and why clothes should potentially be banned being conceptualised after the fact to justify nudism as a political identity. I can think of a few reasons why some people might become a political nudist -- clothes are wasteful and environmentally-destructive; clothing reflects society's sexist and classist ideals; clothes are "unnatural," and are not found in nature; society is oppressive, and radical nudity is a way to affect radical change in broader ways; etc -- but all of these are either only debatably true or reflect misguided priorities, and do not justify why nudity could ever be a categorical good (in all social settings, in all climates, in all environments). They're likely to be unconvincing for people who wouldn't go nude voluntarily anyway. Still, though -- you're asking for a political ideology which could exist, not one which is rational, nor one which I could agree with. So...this is that -- a stupid ideology for stupid extremists, like esoteric fascism or Posadism.

I can imagine this being used as a way to divide the Left. In the US, for example, the movement for black Civil Rights had a large religious element to it, exemplified by figures like Rev. Martin Luther King or el-Hajj Malcolm X -- and the divide between these moralistic civil rights figures and hippies might widen if nudism becomes a major part of the hippie politic. Somehow, I feel like this particular form of radical politics would be more at home with the relatively-white, relatively-affluent, Woodstock-going crowd, who certainly had a lot of genuine and intelligent political activists among them, but also some folks who were concerned with not much more than, like, not getting drafted. Who knows? Maybe political nudism is covertly encouraged by the FBI and others, to further the divides between competing groups of Leftists in the US and to make Leftism seem less acceptable to the mainstream.

 

[Crazy Boris]

Naturism or Nudism:
Naturism/nudism certainly exists in our timeline, but it isn't really central to anyone's political ethic. The modern nudist movement began in the early 1900s, but became more of a thing between the 1950s-1970s, mostly as a countercultural form of recreation than anything else. Some people just enjoyed being nude, and felt they should be able to be nude in public (whether in designated spaces like nude beaches or just anywhere), and -- as far as I know -- the political dimensions of nudism don't really go beyond that.

But what if Nudism became more of a permanent fixture of the radical politics of the 1960s and 1970s, in the same way that drugs or casual sex did? Nude protests were already a thing, so of course nudity had an explicitly political dimension in certain contexts -- breaking taboos and all that. I'm imagining Nudism developing as a kind of secondary or tertiary political identity, on the same level that "vegetarianism" is today -- only a lot less coherent than vegetarianism/veganism. Probably more stupid, too -- maybe political nudism is just more narrowly-focussed on culture war BS. Like, people might become "political nudists" as a form of performative radicalism, and mostly because it "triggers the squares," with a political ethic around why nudity is good and why clothes should potentially be banned being conceptualised after the fact to justify nudism as a political identity. I can think of a few reasons why some people might become a political nudist -- clothes are wasteful and environmentally-destructive; clothing reflects society's sexist and classist ideals; clothes are "unnatural," and are not found in nature; society is oppressive, and radical nudity is a way to affect radical change in broader ways; etc -- but all of these are either only debatably true or reflect misguided priorities, and do not justify why nudity could ever be a categorical good (in all social settings, in all climates, in all environments). They're likely to be unconvincing for people who wouldn't go nude voluntarily anyway. Still, though -- you're asking for a political ideology which could exist, not one which is rational, nor one which I could agree with. So...this is that -- a stupid ideology for stupid extremists, like esoteric fascism or Posadism.

I can imagine this being used as a way to divide the Left. In the US, for example, the movement for black Civil Rights had a large religious element to it, exemplified by figures like Rev. Martin Luther King or el-Hajj Malcolm X -- and the divide between these moralistic civil rights figures and hippies might widen if nudism becomes a major part of the hippie politic. Somehow, I feel like this particular form of radical politics would be more at home with the relatively-white, relatively-affluent, Woodstock-going crowd, who certainly had a lot of genuine and intelligent political activists among them, but also some folks who were concerned with not much more than, like, not getting drafted. Who knows? Maybe political nudism is covertly encouraged by the FBI and others, to further the divides between competing groups of Leftists in the US and to make Leftism seem less acceptable to the mainstream.

Honestly this one’s kind of funny to me, it would simultaneously be disgusting and hilarious to see a gaggle of naked middle-aged weirdos waddle into a McDonald’s and demand they be served and then shout about political oppression as the bored pimple-faced teen behind the counter tries to explain “no shirt, no shoes, no service” to them.

I know if I saw that going down I’d be laughing like a maniac at the absurdity of it all (and probably trying to hide it so I don’t attract their attention. Which would either be terrifying or even funnier if they started harassing me about laughing at their “very serious and important movement”. Probably both, just as long as they keep their distance it’ll be funny.

Would make for a decent bit in an adult comedy movie. Especially if they come back later with shirts and shoes but nothing else and try again.

 

[Aluma]

From my friend @Viking25 's timeline "The Adventures of the Average Joe"
He doesnt often go into detail about the world's ideologies due to the TL being a comedic-dramatic parody of the Self-Insert genre but it does still have a fun, wacky and somewhat interesting lines of thought

Spoiler

Galbism is an ideology named after the Roman Emperor Galba. Galbas rule was characterised by a very light handed style of ruling with most actual responsibilities being delegated to a professional core of Bureaucrats drawn from all ranks of society and not just including the military as Is common for many of the Ideologies in the Caesarist Family tree. It has in fact been called a from Caesarism but in which the titular Caesar doesn't get assassinated but instead gets bored and lets their underlings rule for them. This has led to It acquiring a number of nicknames such as the Drunkards paradise and the Partyocracy.

This is not quite true and Galbian regimes do actually have consistent policies which include a sharp focus on improving infrastructure as well as a strong role for the Government in the Countries economy along with a foreign policy that is often passive and reactionary with a focus on maintaining the status quo(Galbas early reign of rapid expansion is considered to be a case of him following classic Caesarism before becoming a Galbist later on) with a particular focus on maintaining client states and natural borders.

It for these very sensible policy goals that it is the most common form of Casearism found anywhere in the world with over 50 countries being stated by experts around the world to follow some variant of it with notable leaders that have said to have been Galbists including. Chinas Zhao Yu, Julius Vispanius of the Hispanic Republic and Shapur Dizmurid of the Persian state.

It however as state previously is not the only form of it with it having 2 other competitors. First we have Cinicinatus thought alternatively called Republicanism which concludes that the Military Government should end as soon as possible along with a return to civilian government. For the fact that It isn't quite as ambitious as the other schools it is the smallest school with self proclaimed members of it who manage to get to power either just being deluded Galbists or part of the third school Classical Caesarism which is essentially just Galbism but with a far stronger role for the Dictator and a far greater emphasis placed on the army and expansionism with the Government mostly staying out of the economy. The only really proper Republicanthat most people agree on is the name sake of the school.

These Definitions however aren't very useful as they describe more of how individual strong men rule their own nations and their can be overlap between the schools for example an overall Caesarist may not actually take that strong of a role in the government or a Galbist may engage in fierce saber rattling against his neighbours.

A far more stringent Ideology is its bastard cousin Fascism founded by Galba's son Lucius. It is far more controlling than any strand of Caesarism and the Famous Philosopher Gaius Ventius called it "the one system of Government where Its the Government that rules"

A Study on Systems of Government by Julius Aurelius

The Praetorian Guard is one of the most iconic military units in history with them being made famous by such legendary movies as "Teutoberg" and "Phraata". They are usually depicted as clad head to toe in Gilded Armour and Purple Cloaks standing head and shoulders above the average legionaries and carrying the day wherever they fought but is this the actual truth? Some recent revisionist historians have started arguing that the Guard was always more of a tool of the Roman court and had little actual use as a battle field unit pointing out the rather small number of battles they actually fought in. To figure out which side of the story is true we will have too take a look at the history of the guard right from its creation.

The Guard was founded first by the Princeps Augustus took act as his Personal Guard and certainly during this time at least the guard was most definitely an elite unit capable of going toe to toe with the best Frontier Legions the Empire could muster. Over the years however especially after the end of the period known as Galba's Expansion where they served ably the Guard took on a far more administrative role with its new prefect Sejanus being about as far removed from a Solider as was possible and instead was more of a Bureaucrat/ Politician. This however did lead to the Guard becoming far more important as Galba after having completed his conquests took a bit of back seat to ruling and only really intervened when something serious occurred spending most of his time drinking, partying and over all being a bit of a hedonistic bastard. Though this period also resulted into a flowering of culture and literature with various great poems and books being written including the Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones and the relative peace of the period resulted in a flourishing of trade and the economy.

This ushered in a period of Roman History that is often called the Praetorianocracy quite literally the rule of the Praetorians with them having major control of civil appointments and quickly becoming one of the core pillars of the state too the point that its Prefect Sejanus who had originally been a Equestrian was given Senatorial status along with a hundred other leading officers. This made the Guard an easy way for talented young men to rise to the very top of the Roman world and it only grew in significance over the ages with some saying even after Galbas death the Rule of the Praetorians never really ended.

However don't let this make you believe the Praetorians were a simple Parade unit no that was not true at all. Only a hundred years after this they were able to defeat a force twice their size at the battle of Pelos showing that no matter how steeped in courtly intrigue and bureaucracy the Praetorians got they never forgot their true purpose as the Princeps strong right hand and most certainly were still an elite unit.

They however stopped being used as the actual Personal Guard for the Princeps being instead replaced by a seperate group of heavily armoured Horsemen called the Expelatores who while originally were part of the Guard they were split of by the Thaddeus due to him not wanting to put too much power in their hands. The Guard itself outlived the Empire and some argue it is the foundation for the modern Romanian system of Bureaucracy. Whether they were Bureaucrats or Warriors. The Guard was one of the most pivotal organisations in human history. It was the first place where African Numerals and Stirrups were used extensively and produced countless great Leaders, Philosophers and Scientists. So really who cares if they were all good at swinging a sword or not? After all why focus on that when their is so much else to explore....
A History of the Praetorian Guard by Thaddeus Pius

Roman Religion mostly centred one on a pantheon mostly borrowed from the Greeks with the names changed and the actual gods remaining more or less the exact same. Of course their were some alterations. Ares as Mars for example was honoured far more grandly in Roman Tradition and seen as a model solider as well as the progenitor of Romulus and Remus. In contrast the Goddess Tyche was comparatively little changed remaining the capricious giver of good luck she had always been albeit with a Name change a bit more of a villainous bearing with her being also the Goddess of fate and sometimes death with a large vindictive streak. As is shown in the Legend of her having killed the younger brother of the future Emperor Gaius for having fallen asleep during a sacrifice to her with Gaius only having survived by promising to never invade Britannia which was a place she was said to favour and this is often given as the reason for his death as unlikely as it is.

Before the reign of Galba the goddess Fortuna while well honoured enough she did not enjoy the same reverence as say Venus for example(Though she was a goddess she was more rubbing shoulders with Hebe and Hecate than any of the Olympians) , But Galba seems to have had an odd affection for her and so Fortuna saw herself elevated with countless temple and new festivals in her honour. New Worshipper however also came new reponsiblites for example Fortuna started to take on a increasingly militaristic role with the Roman Army thinking of her off as a goddess of Victory which led to her being sometimes combined with Nike during Sports Championships with a particular focus on Handball(Marcus Jordanius was a rather fervent believer in both Nike and Fortuna and insisted his team pray to them before every single match) and Occasionally Minerva.

Her characterisation in myths also changed where previously she spread good and bad fortune seemingly at random now her choices always had purpose and were decreed by fate itself, which her role as the goddess of was ripped out from her character and given to a new Goddess Fatuma with her being made simply the Goddess of Luck and Victory along with Pollo and Handball and as the popularity of those sports increased so did her worship. All of this would lead to her being one of Romes most enduring Gods with it being possible to still find thousands of her temples in every single city in the Latinphone world and her largest temple the Vatican still dominates the Roman Skyline for miles.

Whatever her characteristics she soon found herself a large following in Rome with her worship even spreading down to the lower classes including a small group known as the Christians, Which would eventually lead to the rise of the Cult of Cross and Dice but that Is a story for another time.....
King's and Generals: The Foundations of Classicalism

 

[The_Persian_Cat]

Honestly this one’s kind of funny to me, it would simultaneously be disgusting and hilarious to see a gaggle of naked middle-aged weirdos waddle into a McDonald’s and demand they be served and then shout about political oppression as the bored pimple-faced teen behind the counter tries to explain “no shirt, no shoes, no service” to them.

I know if I saw that going down I’d be laughing like a maniac at the absurdity of it all (and probably trying to hide it so I don’t attract their attention. Which would either be terrifying or even funnier if they started harassing me about laughing at their “very serious and important movement”. Probably both, just as long as they keep their distance it’ll be funny.

Would make for a decent bit in an adult comedy movie. Especially if they come back later with shirts and shoes but nothing else and try again.

Lol I'm imagining what the first Nudist government would look like.

It'd be on a tropical island, maybe in Hawaii -- some white Nudists heard that the indigenous Hawaiians practiced non-sexual nudity, and ran with it. So, they built a town where clothing is illegal, and everyone, by law, cannot wear any clothes (beyond some accessories like shoes and sunglasses), or face prosecution. Despite all their ideals of being "closer to nature" and so on, their town -- Eden -- repeats so many of the patterns of colonialism: from the insincere cultural engagement, to the displacement of indigenous peoples to build what is essentially a giant resort town, to the environmental devastation which that resort town wroughts. Eden is like hippie Dubai -- an exotic playground for wealthy Westerners, built on exploitation.

The people who live in Eden are all trust fund babies, or bohemian artist types. The people who work there, however, are largely native Hawaiian -- and they don't appreciate their new station, much less being forced to be naked all the time, with the eyes of very weird and horny people on then at all times. The "exotic" Hawaiian location is central to the marketing for more than just the climate.

American society at large is scandalised by Eden -- but they're more upset by the fact that everyone is nude, than the gentrification, environmental destruction, and the exploitative and undignified labour conditions which the town is rife with. And all this press (and evident profitability) inspires the creation of similar ventures elsewhere -- in Puerto Rico, Guam, the Florida Keys; and elsewhere like Bali or Cape Town.

 

[da Racontor]

Naturism or Nudism:
Naturism/nudism certainly exists in our timeline, but it isn't really central to anyone's political ethic. The modern nudist movement began in the early 1900s, but became more of a thing between the 1950s-1970s, mostly as a countercultural form of recreation than anything else. Some people just enjoyed being nude, and felt they should be able to be nude in public (whether in designated spaces like nude beaches or just anywhere), and -- as far as I know -- the political dimensions of nudism don't really go beyond that.

But what if Nudism became more of a permanent fixture of the radical politics of the 1960s and 1970s, in the same way that drugs or casual sex did? Nude protests were already a thing, so of course nudity had an explicitly political dimension in certain contexts -- breaking taboos and all that. I'm imagining Nudism developing as a kind of secondary or tertiary political identity, on the same level that "vegetarianism" is today -- only a lot less coherent than vegetarianism/veganism. Probably more stupid, too -- maybe political nudism is just more narrowly-focussed on culture war BS. Like, people might become "political nudists" as a form of performative radicalism, and mostly because it "triggers the squares," with a political ethic around why nudity is good and why clothes should potentially be banned being conceptualised after the fact to justify nudism as a political identity. I can think of a few reasons why some people might become a political nudist -- clothes are wasteful and environmentally-destructive; clothing reflects society's sexist and classist ideals; clothes are "unnatural," and are not found in nature; society is oppressive, and radical nudity is a way to affect radical change in broader ways; etc -- but all of these are either only debatably true or reflect misguided priorities, and do not justify why nudity could ever be a categorical good (in all social settings, in all climates, in all environments). They're likely to be unconvincing for people who wouldn't go nude voluntarily anyway. Still, though -- you're asking for a political ideology which could exist, not one which is rational, nor one which I could agree with. So...this is that -- a stupid ideology for stupid extremists, like esoteric fascism or Posadism.

I can imagine this being used as a way to divide the Left. In the US, for example, the movement for black Civil Rights had a large religious element to it, exemplified by figures like Rev. Martin Luther King or el-Hajj Malcolm X -- and the divide between these moralistic civil rights figures and hippies might widen if nudism becomes a major part of the hippie politic. Somehow, I feel like this particular form of radical politics would be more at home with the relatively-white, relatively-affluent, Woodstock-going crowd, who certainly had a lot of genuine and intelligent political activists among them, but also some folks who were concerned with not much more than, like, not getting drafted. Who knows? Maybe political nudism is covertly encouraged by the FBI and others, to further the divides between competing groups of Leftists in the US and to make Leftism seem less acceptable to the mainstream.

Not sure if this effected it in OTL but I can see a big limiting factor for this.

Just last week it was still 30°F (-1.11°C) here.