Alternate History: Fascist Amerika

Anything is possible with a certain POD, but from what I can see this has very little plausibility. I think with a POD before 1900 you could lead to a Fascist state.

The problem with fascism is America's diversity in ethnic groups and faith, since it means groups which had wide support and could lead to a fascist state like the 1920s Ku Klux Klan (who didn't have "fascist dictatorship" as their end goal assuming they even had one to begin with) would have severe trouble establishing one thanks to all the Catholic whites, etc. A less clerical fascism, as described by Mussolini's writings, would be viewed in the same light as socialism as a foreign, un-American ideology. Something like Nazism just wouldn't work at all, since there's no such thing as the "white race" and racist Anglos aren't going to join forces with racist Italians.

I guess you'd have to find some way to mutate the Socialists in America into Mussolini-style fascists (even then, American fascism would differ from anything Mussolini ever wrote or approved of, since it would come about in different conditions than Italian fascism did), which might be semi-plausible, but would take a POD pre-1900 to get this proto-fascist movement going AND be strong enough to eventually take over America. Which would look more like the Reds TL here rather than OP's scenario.
 
The TL left the realm of plausibility in part 1. Everything therafter has been reinforcing that lack of plausibility. As has been demonstrated in other threads, plausible and well researched TLs are not your forte. I mean, the UK is in the fight of their life in the Atlantic but they are the opponent in the ATL Battle of Midway? EDIT: how would the RN be able to sail from their nearest major port to Midway? Why does the RN feel the need to strike across the Pacific when they need to defend the home islands?
It is because Guam, Wake Island and The Mariana Islands fell. The RN has a considerable navy in the Pacific that can't just necessarily swing around to the Atlantic. Plus the loss of certain colonies such as Malaysia would cripple the Empire and going on the offensive in the pacific would raise British morale as well as demonstrate to the US that it does not have complete Hegemony in naval power.
I did not realize at the time I initially made this how implausible the PoD was to result in a Fascist-like America.
 
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The US didn't even own the Mariana Islands, Japan did. Britain cannot defeat the United States in the Pacific without Japanese help.
 

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It is because Guam, Wake Island and The Mariana Islands fell. The RN has a considerable navy in the Pacific that can't just necessarily swing around to the Atlantic. Plus the loss of certain colonies such as Malaysia would cripple the Empire and going on the offensive in the pacific would raise British morale as well as demonstrate to the US that it does not have complete Hegemony in naval power.

Are you aware what fleet elements were in the Pacific for the RN in June 1940 IOTL? In case you are not aware, here is the link to a web page that lists the RN ships on 'Foreign Stations':

http://www.naval-history.net/xDKWW2-4006-15RNOverseas-Dominion.htm

And here is the list of ships DDs or larger which were on station in the Indian Ocean, China, or Pacific:

EAST INDIES COMMAND

Vice Adm R Leatham

Cruisers - heavy cruiser KENT (Capt D Young-Jamieson) dep Bombay 6 Jun on convoy duty, light cruisers CERES (Capt E G Abbott AM) dep Colombo 9 Jun, COLOMBO (Capt C A E Stanfield) dep Colombo 9 Jun

CHINA FORCE

Adm Sir Percy Noble

5th Cruiser Squadron - light cruisers DANAE (Capt A C Collinson) left Direction Islands 7 Jun for Penang, DAUNTLESS (Capt G D Moore RAN) at Hong Kong, DURBAN (Capt J A S Eccles) arr Penang 8 Jun

Destroyers - SCOUT (Lt Cdr C H Holmes) at Hong Kong, STRONGHOLD (Lt Cdr R Alexander) at Singapore, TENEDOS (Lt Cdr J O'B Milner Barry) at Singapore refitting to comp 15 Jun, THANET (Lt Cdr J Mowlam) at Hong Kong, THRACIAN (Lt Cdr H G D de Chair) at Hong Kong.

A grand total of 1 CA, 5 CL, and 5 DDs.

If you want to include the Dominions navies, they add another 2 CA & 2 CL for the RAN and 1 CL for the RNZN.

So 3 CAs, 8 CLs and 5 DDs at best are going to go tearing across the Pacific against the US Pacific Fleet? The US Asiatic fleet (1 CA. 1 CL, 13 DDs) could give this scattered motley fleet a run for their money and could defeat the RN only ships. Where is the 'Considerable' RN & Dominions fleet going to refuel as most of those ships are pretty short legged (range of 4-5,000 kms)?
 
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