Alternate histories of TV shows

Here's a TV series from another world.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/brucewayne/

"Bruce Wayne"- think of it as Smallville. but only its set in Gotham and about Bruce Wayne becoming Batman over a 7 year run. In our world, in 1999/2000 DC was considering allowing such a series but the first X-Men movie showed the potential for comic book/super heroes on the big screen. As Batman was the only DC character which was thought to be bankable on the silver screen, the plans for a TV show were shelved and Batman Begins started its way towards creation. The powers at be wanted to take no chances with the reboot of Batman on the big screen.

In another world (Lets call it Kane-1), DC decided to gamble and let the show proceed to production by the WB. In 2001 as the show Buffy the Vampire Slayer signs a new contract and stays at WB instead of moving to the UPN, at the same time WB introduces two new shows set in the DC mythos; Smallville tells the story of Superman's early years while Bruce Wayne tells the story of the creation of Batman. The story of the birth of heroes takes root in an American dealing with their version of 9/11. The two shows start to cross over as they progress and creates a DC universe on TV.

Combined with the success of the Buffy shows. WB is a bankable network and grows into a legitimate fourth network. By 2010, plans are in place for WB to make the leap to a full blown network, the UPN having folded 4 years earlier.

Warner Brothers/DC comics puts more efforts into the DC franchise and has a series of breakout movie hits based on Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and various other super heroes, separate from the TV shows, that Marvel is trying to catch up with it by putting out its own series of movies. Comic Book fans look forward to 2012 when plans are well underway to introduce a movie version of The Justice League and the Avengers in direct competition to each other.
 
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What if these guys kept going?

Plenty of fodder out there for them.

I had this thought when we recently saw "Skyline", one of the worst movies in history
 
Skyline

Skyline isn't made. Things are different in that the investers have more money. Those who made the film didn't waste their time.'
 
What if these guys kept going?

Plenty of fodder out there for them.

I had this thought when we recently saw "Skyline", one of the worst movies in history

They did keep going:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinematic_Titanic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifftrax

But if you want a POD, then you need to fix SciFi, a post mentioned earlier in this thread.

Oh, and although I haven't seen Skyline, it can't be the worst movie in history. Not after having seen Man... Oh! <<holds head>> The Pain! The Pain!
 
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This is from an upcoming timeline of mine, inspired in part by this thread, which will involve alterations to a number of TV shows and movies, as well as at least one channel lineup and quite a few changes out in the wider world. This isn't the main divergence point, but it does mention the major change. (Incidentally, xxmagex, I had this idea earlier, but you just helped push me into posting this preview...) This is only minor details, as I have a long way to go...

Now You See It...

Now You See It... is a television show that originally aired on the Disney Channel from 2006-2009. It was based on the 2005 made-for-tv-movie of the same name.(1)

Cast
Most of the cast reprised their roles from the original movie. A few new characters were added, most notably journalism student Jeremy Parker, played by David Henrie.

Popularity
Now You See It was part of the "Magician movie" trend (1) and as such enjoyed a great deal of popularity, which continues to this day. It is currently in reruns on Disney XD.

(1) You can read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_You_See_It...

(2) Other TV shows considered part of this include "The Magician" (A remake of the Bill Bixby series, starring Bruce Campbell airing on NBC.) and "The Witch" (A remake of the 1980's series "The Wizard" starring Linda Hunt and airing on CBS.) Films considered part of this trend include "Zatanna" and its sequels (Starring Selena Gomez), "The Illusionist", "The Prestige", "The Escapists" (Academy Award-winning film based on "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay", starring Tobey Maguire, Jamie Bell and Natalie Portman), and "Carter Beats the Devil" (Starring Tom Cruise.)
 
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(2) Other TV shows considered part of this include "The Magician" (A remake of the Bill Bixby series, starring Bruce Campbell airing on NBC.) and "The Witch" (A remake of the 1980's series "The Wizard" starring Linda Hunt and airing on CBS.) Films considered part of this trend include "Zatanna" and its sequels (Starring Selena Gomez), "The Illusionist", "The Prestige", "The Escapists" (Academy Award-winning film based on "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay", starring Tobey Maguire, Jamie Bell and Natalie Portman), and "Carter Beats the Devil" (Starring Tom Cruise.)

Oooh... here's one they could remake:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacke%27s_Magic> Would be really cool if they could get Penn Jillette to take Hal Linden's role.
 
Maybe I overlooked one but...

I am shocked that there are no alternate Conans on this yet.

I loved the Daily Show with Stephen Colbert idea though but I would hope that it would be an hour. Because if it isn't I would have an extra thirty minutes a day to fill.:p
 
Maybe I overlooked one but...

I am shocked that there are no alternate Conans on this yet.

I loved the Daily Show with Stephen Colbert idea though but I would hope that it would be an hour. Because if it isn't I would have an extra thirty minutes a day to fill.:p

How about one where he stays as a writer for the Simpson's for a couple more years, then goes on to... Nah, I've got nothing.

Actually, my Joel Hodgson scenario above mentioned Conan. (And reflects my opinion of him. He's got some real creativity, and wrote some of my favorite early Simpson's episodes, but in my opinion he lacks... discipline)
 
Oooh... here's one they could remake:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacke%27s_Magic> Would be really cool if they could get Penn Jillette to take Hal Linden's role.
Hmmmmmmmm....
This could be added to the TV butterflies in my storyline- though it could also be done via a US remake of Jonathan Creek... (I have a few other programs in mind to change too in various aspects. I've just got too many ideas...)
 
Just going to post this little sci-fi wank posted on a thread I started a while ago:


First let me say this, I love Firefly.

First I saw Serenity on DVD. And I thought, "this is pretty good, great actually. But who are all these people, why is everything happening so fast, I guess I better watch Firefly already for the backstory."

So I rented the series. And realized that once you've seen Firefly itself, Serenity is basically a bloody tourniquet on a corpse that has been brutally amputated.

Spoiler Warning! For anyone who has not seen Firefly, please stop reading and go see it! It's great! But below are all manner of plot resolutions briefly summarized that might tend to ruin it for you, so stop! Go! Watch! Come back with the same longing for six more years we share here!

But take a step back. The plot of Serenity, the movie, is pretty much a logical outcome of the situation that had already developed in the later episodes of the half-season already filmed. I believe some elements had already been laid down in the episodes that actually aired.

I have no idea how it looked to people watching TV--when Firefly was fitfully being broadcast, the TV remote in the household I lived in was in the hands of someone who never tuned into it. We also never ever saw Buffy, probably because we never had WB in our cable or satellite lineup. I only heard about all these Whedon shows years after they aired. My experience of all of these series is that of someone who sees the DVD versions, over a period of just a couple months for Buffy and just a half week or so for Firefly.

But anyway, if no other ep established that the Alliance's agents were onto some kind of connection between the ship Serenity and the whereabouts of River Tam, "Objects in Space" certainly did. True, Early was a bounty hunter and might have pieced together evidence the Alliance itself did not all have, and kept that to himself because he wanted the bounty and the glory. But the evidence was there. The crew had early on (the actual pilot episode seen by Fox viewers in fact, "The Train Job," so right from the get-go actually) alienated a powerful figure, Niska. In the real two-hour pilot that was not seen for months on the air, an Alliance agent had already tagged the Tams before they even boarded Serenity, and followed them aboard. The whole plot of "Bushwhacked" revolved around keeping the Tams hidden from an Alliance cruiser. But then the Tams get kidnapped by bush villagers in "Safe," only to observe River's peculiar abilities for themselves and react to them in a very alarmed and memorable way--then had an even more alarming and memorable experience when the ship comes to pluck the Tams back into their hands. A common sort of ship to be sure, but the villagers got a good look at Mal, Zoe, and Jayne. The trained sleuths of the Alliance probably could get a decent sketch of each of them. Eventually the Serenity crew pulls off a massive robbery of an Alliance facility, in the course of which the Tams are arrested and special agents come to take them away. A certain Firefly ship was in port during and left shortly after...Early of course alludes to this specifically. In "Our Mrs Reynolds" and "Trash," yet another loose cannon underworld figure is for a while an honored, and later tolerated, guest aboard the ship; she meets the Tams too.

So far, the main thing protecting the Tams (and the Serenity crew sheltering them) is the incompetence and greed of most agents of the Alliance. The Wilson-Shea "SNAFU principle" gives them refuge. But it is only reasonable to assume that somewhere within the black ops of the Alliance is someone like the Agent in the movie Serenity, someone who is both capable and dedicated.

How then could the Firefly Serenity, captained by one Malcolm Reynolds, ex Browncoat Sergeant, escape the more or less determined efforts of this dedicated core to recapture their asset--and punish all those who have stood in the way and delayed this outcome?

For the show to play out over even a few more seasons, either there would have had to have been no such clues left lying around to tag Serenity as even a possible refuge for the Tams...

...or perhaps it is political, even idelogical, infighting within the leadership core of Alliance itself that has been the real shelter for the Tams' flight? Perhaps someone up there in the ruling ranks wants River and Simon roaming around space under the impression they have escaped the leash?

But in that case, as other factions either try to advance their own agenda or (in the case of the movie's Agent at least) take the official line seriously and try to capture or at least kill River.

In short, the movie moved way too fast in part because they were actually cramming a year or two's plotline into two hours. But the brutal devastation the crew suffers--well, Whedon is in the habit of killing off beloved characters so had the show run longer we'd probably all have had our guts wrenched by those deaths and others.


At the risk of being too "wanky" let me continue the scenario somewhat...

...

After two (okay, really 1 and a half) seasons of Firefly, the show has become a major success and is one of UPN's main attractions by the end of the 2003/2004 season. The idea of having a gritty character driven science fiction show is seen as a real possibility and a way to bring in more fans. The success of the recent Battlestar Galactica miniseries thusly, attracts real attention from the UPN execs who are eager to add another "hit" show to their lineup. Whereas other networks are wary of picking up the expensive show, UPN jumps on the opportunity and does so slightly earlier than OTL. Thus the show will be ready for the beginning of the 2004-2005 season.

Galactica makes it's debut replacing Star Trek Enterprise on Wednesday nights at 9:00. Echoing the marketing of Firefly it does quite well considering it is up against stiff competition from both Alias, American Idol, and the West Wing. Nevetheless, Galactica quickly ends up averaging between 5-6 million viewers (more than it ever had on Sci-Fi and similar to what Firefly is getting in TTL). Galactica's success further increases UPN's favor towards science fiction shows. Furthermore both Firefly and Galactica gain considerable critical acclaim and attract significant interest to the station.

The success of Firefly and Battlestar Galactica however is not shared by UPN's other flagging science fiction show, Star Trek Enterprise. Despite attempts to "go dark" in Season 3, and a renewed focus on the Temporal Cold War in Season 4, the ratings just aren't there. However, given UPN's success with science fiction shows, the execs aren't ready to completely give up on Enterprise.

When deciding what to do with the show, someone notes one of the initial draws towards doing a prequel. Early on in the development of Enterprise, someone pointed out that if the show wasn't doing well, that they could end the story arc with that ship and that crew and move forward to another incarnation of the Enterprise (an OTL concept IIRC). Noting that this concept is especially pertinent to Enterprise's current format with the ongoing Temporal Cold War, this person proposes that the current season of Enterprise focus on ending the Temporal Cold War with the intent of "rebooting" the series in 2005-2006. Though many are not enthusiastic about the developments, the decision is made and the latter half of Enterprise season 4 is focused on ending the Temporal Cold War (the driven nature of the plot actually leads to an increase in viewership). Furthermore this last half of season 4 is used to test out new directors and writers resulting in several excellent episodes.

With the finale of Season 4 the Temporal Cold War is brought to an end and the Star Trek timeline reverts to "normal". At the very end of the episode a glimpse is given into what fans quickly term "Enterprise 2.0" a much grittier, low tech version of the previous show with an almost completely different cast. This creates significant buzz which continues throughout the summer as through Battlestar Galactica and Firefly, UPN has discovered the value of using the internet to connect with fans. That being said many Star Trek purists revolt against the direction of the new show dubbing it "Battlestar: Enterprise" or "BSG Lite".

The 2005-2006 season sees UPN debut it's new line up anchored by 3 major science fiction shows makes it the new go to Sci-fi channel effectively out competing it's predecessors. Both Firefly and Galactica get off to strong starts the latter beginning the story arc involving New Caprica. Yet for many fans the biggest hype is over the relaunched Enterprise which hearkens back to classic "Trek" (no cheesy pop song at the beginning) while incorporating many new elements brought in from experiences with Firefly and Galactica. Season 5 sees a totally new cast in the much more primitive EES (Earth Exploration Ship) Enterprise. The two-part pilot episode wastes no time getting into the thick of things with the EES Enterprise witnessing the beginnings of the fabled Earth-Romulan War. Due to considerable hype, ratings for the new show are quite high and remain so for the rest of the season. Though many fans complain about the season's new direction, most applaud the choices made and see Season 5 as "The Way Enterprise should have been".

Yet despite the success of Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, and Season 5 of Enterprise, UPN is still hemorrhaging money (albeit less than OTL). Viacom ends up making a similar decision to OTL to quietly merge UPN and the WB into a new network known as the CW. As none of UPN's hit sci-fi shows fit into the new direction for the new network they are all let go. However the flagging Sci-fi channel sees an opportunity and immediately jumps in beginning production of the shows next seasons. The Sci-fi Channel is immediately revitalized as it's viewer ship skyrockets.

In 2006-2007 Battlestar Galactica comes to an end, however a prequel series is planned, Caprica, set prior to the Cylon War to debut in the future. Both Firefly and Enterprise continue on just as before. As mentioned previously Firefly ends in 2009 after it's seventh season. Enterprise 2.0 follows the Romulan War to the beginning of the Federation. A season portraying the first voyage of the recommissioned USS Enterprise (with alien crewmembers) is a dud leading to it's cancellation at the same time as Firefly.

Thoughts?

"You may call me a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
 
Although I haven't seen any of Firefly, I've heard good things about it. However, there're at least a couple of problems with a successful Firefly: it could potentially ruin Chuck and Castle.
 
some cartoons that should have gone on for longer

I would have loved for shows like Swat Kats and Road Rovers to be continued, and interestingly enough they were planning a 3rd season of Swat Kats in 1995. They also had apparently implied in the promotional material in 1993 when the show premiered that Dark Kat, one of the main villains, was a judge in his day job, so maybe something with that could have been done. And yes, they are cartoons, and I only found out about Swat Kats in 2008, and wish it'd had more episodes.
 
Transformers

The series continues after the rebirth in the US and splits the action between Earth, Cybertron and Nebulos with considerable focus on the relationships between Humans, Nebulons and Transformers.

A second animated movie in 1989/90 examines the the creation of the powermasters.

MASK

A very under-rated cartoon.

More series ends the stupid racing storyline and focuses on more incredible vehicles.
 
I think preventing the Writers Strike a few years back would be interesting.

It certainly wrecked Heroes, and resulted in the major plot changes that started the show on the path away from how ridiculously awesome it was, to how ridiculously awful it became...

Enterprise, an interesting WI is the planned 5th season, which had a refitted ship moving the design closer to the TOS ship, plans to show the Earth Romulan War, revist the Mirror Universe etc.

Personally I'd like to have seen SGU continue :D
 
Enterprise, an interesting WI is the planned 5th season, which had a refitted ship moving the design closer to the TOS ship, plans to show the Earth Romulan War, revist the Mirror Universe etc.

Okay, I'm curious, is there somewhere on the internet that describes the 5th season?
 
Okay, I'm curious, is there somewhere on the internet that describes the 5th season?
That's not quite accurate what Scott_B said: they wanted to show more of the lead-up to the Earth-Romulan War, like how they began setting the scene in the "Babel One" / "United" / "The Aenar" trilogy in season 4. Bear in mind that the start date of 2156 for the Romulan War is pure fanwank, and it could just as easily be 2157 or 2158 instead. (In fact, I'd say it's more likely they'd delay the onset of war as much as possible, to allow themselves greater breadth of storytelling and avoid becoming a clone of late DS9.)

Anyway, here's the collected info on Enterprise season 5 from the Star Trek wiki, Memory Alpha:

As Star Trek: Enterprise was officially canceled on 2 February 2005, its fifth season was never produced. The series' producers, however, had already devised plans for future seasons, which could have begun to air by September 2005. Most information is based on comments by producer Manny Coto.


At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto suggested that two story arcs of the season would have been to show "origins of the Federation" and "whispers of the Romulan war". Consequently, the Romulans would be the major villains of the season, although other species may have appeared in the mini-arcs. Brannon Braga noted that he and Rick Berman had considered making "Future Guy" a Romulan. [2]


Manny Coto has also said, had the series been given a fifth season, the recurring character of Shran may have joined the Enterprise as an "auxiliary or an advisor" [3] [4]


Kzinti story
A Kzinti episode had been suggested which would have served as a prequel to TAS: "The Slaver Weapon". The concept progressed as far as a "rough rendering" of a Kzinti starship which writer Jimmy Diggs commissioned. The story was provisionally titled "Kilkenny Cats." [5]


First starbase
Plans existed for an episode showing the construction of the first starbase, most likely in the Berengaria system. Foreshadowing as to this had already been given in "Bound". [X]wbm

Mirror Universe story
Revisits to the mirror universe and Hoshi Sato, now Empress of the Terran Empire, had also been discussed. At the 2009 VegasCon, Coto revealed that one idea was to spread four or five episodes through the season, as a kind of "mini-series inside a series". He said that it was his "big regret" that he had not managed to follow through on the idea. [6]

Borg Queen origin story
Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story with Alice Krige as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg from Season 2's ("Regeneration") and becomes the Borg Queen. [7]


T'Pol's father
Writer/producer Mike Sussman hoped to have T'Pol finally meet her father, and reveal to the audience that he was in fact a Romulan agent who had posed as a Vulcan officer prior to faking his own death. The suggestion that T'Pol was half-Romulan would have shed light on her affinity for Humans as well as her interest in experimenting with emotions. ([8], Information provided by Mike Sussman)



Flint story
According to Entertainment Weekly, there was an episode "on the drawing board" to reportedly have featured Flint, under a previous alias, coming into contact with the crew of the Enterprise. The episode never made it to a script write, but initial storyboard ideas suggested a confirmation of Flint's alias of Abramson as a famous Earth scientist with possible connections to Flint knowing either (or both) Henry Archer and Zefram Cochrane. The episode would have ended with some type of discovery of Flint's nature by Phlox, leading to Flint's negative views on discussing his background with anyone, thus avoiding the "disaster of intervention" that he mentioned later in the TOS episode.


Other ideas
In a 2009 interview, Welsh writer/producer Russell T Davies, showrunner of the British series Doctor Who, said that he had considered proposing a crossover between Doctor Who and Star Trek, but that the latter was canceled before the idea could be pursued.[9]
A design for a fifth season refit of the Enterprise is included in the 2011 Star Trek: Ships of the Line Calendar.[10]

Obviously not all of these would be carried through to the finished season, but it's enough to give a general idea.
 
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