Alternate F1 World Champions.....Round 2

You have me thinking of a possible wrinkle in your "2,500-mile Trophy" that could be interesting. Let everyone up to twenty miles back of the leader finish each race in full, then use aggregate time as a tiebreaker for laps completed. Tied to the right prizes, that could start a reliability war...

I don't think that'll be too much of a concern. The 2500-mile trophy is the five big 500-mile races in Indycars (Indianapolis, Michigan, Texas World, California and Las Vegas) are all troopers of events, where reliability and speed both count. Las Vegas is the hardest on the drivers (shorter distance but same speeds, big banking and high G-forces that result) but Indianapolis, of course, is the hardest to win.

48-Car grid?!? :D:eek::cool: I really don't know how that would work outside of superspeedways and the longer road courses.

Most street races have fields of 30 or so, road races 32-34 and smaller ovals 28-30. The 2500-mile events have the biggest fields (42 at Indianapolis, 43 at Las Vegas, 48 for the other three events) and some road races at wide or long tracks (Mexico City, Road America, VIR, Riverside, Autopolis) have 36 or so in the field. Those who attempt to but fail to qualify get a set amount of prize money from Indycar for showing up and running hard, and even with those fields, there are some places where traffic is terrifying.

How far geographically did the IndyCar calendar expand by this point?

Canada, Mexico, Japan and Australia are it for worldwide jaunts in 2014. Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, South Africa and Brazil have been on the schedule in the not-too-distant past, and the Indycar-rules Copa Latinoamerica (The South American Indycar series) makes sure that the sport is widely followed in the southern hemisphere. The current boss of the Indycar series (Randy Bernard) is running more races in North America namely to keep F1 and NASCAR from gobbling up much of Indycar's fan base.

With larger grids, what are the spillover impacts to track design?

Bigger and longer is the norm. Road Atlanta and Mosport are planning track extensions and have bought additional land to suit, newer race circuits (Barber Park, New Jersey Motorsports Park, Raceway in the Cascades, Circuit of the Americas) were built in such a way and tracks being returned to racing (Capital Raceway, Bridgehampton) are also doing this as much as possible. Road Racing in North America has a growing following, and most of the best racetracks are also the meccas for local car enthusiasts, particularly well-heeled ones. Track days, car testing, driver training and other events often make plenty of money for the tracks in addition to Indycar, NASCAR, IMSA, Trans-Am and the SCCA's Escort Endurance Series, Bridgestone Potenza Supercar Series and United States Touring Car Championship, all series which can and do draw crowds. The best-looking road courses are often inclusive of cottages and hotels and good restaurants and the like, for the enjoyment of the well-heeled drivers who frequent them. Road America, Bridgehampton and the Raceway in the Cascades are all often called 'Resorts with racetracks in the middle of them'.

And don't get me started on Indianapolis Motor Speedway.... :)

For ovals, things are a little different. For most of the new ovals, unique design and strong competition is the way to get yourself noticed, and so the cookie cutter ovals of OTL here most definitely do not happen. The best-attended smaller tracks have the additional awesomeness of being pretty much complete stadiums - these is more than one track like OTL's Bristol here, at least in terms of being completely surrounded by stands.
 
Aww, come on. He'd be the best way to get rid of restrictor plates.

"FLY! Get away from the amoral pay driver and drive like stink!"

I am glad I wasn't drinking my beer when I first read that, or else I'd be kinda mad at you right now. Sam Adams is expensive up here. :D

NASCAR needs to get back to their bootlegger roots anyway. Tuned and modified stock cars on middle class budgets, (within the budget of low-level organized crime, as per roots anyway), racing on twisty road courses. Half V8 Supercars, half WRC.

There is a series fairly close to that. The SCCA's Bridgestone Potenza Supercar Series. Choose between a muscle car (Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Javelin, GTO) with a big V8, an even bigger four door (Falcon XR8, 300C SRT8, Commodore SS, STS-V) with an even-bigger V8, a rally-bred road rocket (Focus RS, Impreza WRX STi, Lancer Evolution, Megane 265, Golf GTI) with a howling turbocharged four-cylinder engine or a mid-priced sports car of various size (Supra, 370Z, Copperhead, Z4, Boxster, Miata, Genesis Coupe). Give it a good set of aftermarket suspension components and brakes and top-notch safety gear. Then build the engine and chassis to the specs set out in the rules. Shod it in Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position street tires. Go racing in a series where the races are short, every second race has a reversed grid and there is usually four races to a weekend, and on all kinds of tracks, including the Pikes Peak and Mount Washington Hill Climbs and courses laid out in city streets. Drivers are limited to those with Bronze or Silver rankings in the IMSA Driver Ranking system, so it is very much an amateur series for guys who want to go racing in what is as close to street racing as is legal. In addition, prizes are substantial enough that teams can show up and if they race well make back the cost of their car preparation, and so the fields are always pretty fat.

Any TL which ruins the France family is halfway to utopia.

Couldn't pull that one off, sorry.
 
I don't think that'll be too much of a concern. The 2500-mile trophy is the five big 500-mile races in Indycars (Indianapolis, Michigan, Texas World, California and Las Vegas) are all troopers of events, where reliability and speed both count. Las Vegas is the hardest on the drivers (shorter distance but same speeds, big banking and high G-forces that result) but Indianapolis, of course, is the hardest to win.

No love for Pocono?

Most street races have fields of 30 or so, road races 32-34 and smaller ovals 28-30. The 2500-mile events have the biggest fields (42 at Indianapolis, 43 at Las Vegas, 48 for the other three events) and some road races at wide or long tracks (Mexico City, Road America, VIR, Riverside, Autopolis) have 36 or so in the field. Those who attempt to but fail to qualify get a set amount of prize money from Indycar for showing up and running hard, and even with those fields, there are some places where traffic is terrifying.

Dammit, you beat me to using Autopolis! :p While your POD allows such expansion, as most of my work is stats and research, I do NOT envy you. Though, I've been working on some spreadsheet formulas for my TL, so in case you are not Excel proficient, feel free to PM and I'll lend a hand.

Canada, Mexico, Japan and Australia are it for worldwide jaunts in 2014. Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, South Africa and Brazil have been on the schedule in the not-too-distant past, and the Indycar-rules Copa Latinoamerica (The South American Indycar series) makes sure that the sport is widely followed in the southern hemisphere. The current boss of the Indycar series (Randy Bernard) is running more races in North America namely to keep F1 and NASCAR from gobbling up much of Indycar's fan base.

Yeah, I'm not sure yet which venues can have staying power myself. I'm leaning towards keeping many events in a rotation between years a la OTL F1 German GPs. Are you doing something along those lines?

Bigger and longer is the norm. Road Atlanta and Mosport are planning track extensions and have bought additional land to suit, newer race circuits (Barber Park, New Jersey Motorsports Park, Raceway in the Cascades, Circuit of the Americas) were built in such a way and tracks being returned to racing (Capital Raceway, Bridgehampton) are also doing this as much as possible. Road Racing in North America has a growing following, and most of the best racetracks are also the meccas for local car enthusiasts, particularly well-heeled ones. Track days, car testing, driver training and other events often make plenty of money for the tracks in addition to Indycar, NASCAR, IMSA, Trans-Am and the SCCA's Escort Endurance Series, Bridgestone Potenza Supercar Series and United States Touring Car Championship, all series which can and do draw crowds. The best-looking road courses are often inclusive of cottages and hotels and good restaurants and the like, for the enjoyment of the well-heeled drivers who frequent them. Road America, Bridgehampton and the Raceway in the Cascades are all often called 'Resorts with racetracks in the middle of them'.

And don't get me started on Indianapolis Motor Speedway.... :)

For ovals, things are a little different. For most of the new ovals, unique design and strong competition is the way to get yourself noticed, and so the cookie cutter ovals of OTL here most definitely do not happen. The best-attended smaller tracks have the additional awesomeness of being pretty much complete stadiums - these is more than one track like OTL's Bristol here, at least in terms of being completely surrounded by stands.

Oh hell yes! I wanted to swing Bristol as an IndyCar venue, because of that very concept. I would, (and probably others), would LOVE IT if you would give the lurid details of TTL's IMS. How is Road America ITTL?

I am glad I wasn't drinking my beer when I first read that, or else I'd be kinda mad at you right now. Sam Adams is expensive up here. :D

Sorry, I don't want to waste a beverage, but Crashtor's reaction after the last OTL race had my blood up. I'm just glad Checo's in a better car. Esteban may be a fellow North American, but Checo debuted first, so I'm not epically angry, just very much so.

There is a series fairly close to that. The SCCA's Bridgestone Potenza Supercar Series. Choose between a muscle car (Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Javelin, GTO) with a big V8, an even bigger four door (Falcon XR8, 300C SRT8, Commodore SS, STS-V) with an even-bigger V8, a rally-bred road rocket (Focus RS, Impreza WRX STi, Lancer Evolution, Megane 265, Golf GTI) with a howling turbocharged four-cylinder engine or a mid-priced sports car of various size (Supra, 370Z, Copperhead, Z4, Boxster, Miata, Genesis Coupe). Give it a good set of aftermarket suspension components and brakes and top-notch safety gear. Then build the engine and chassis to the specs set out in the rules. Shod it in Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position street tires. Go racing in a series where the races are short, every second race has a reversed grid and there is usually four races to a weekend, and on all kinds of tracks, including the Pikes Peak and Mount Washington Hill Climbs and courses laid out in city streets. Drivers are limited to those with Bronze or Silver rankings in the IMSA Driver Ranking system, so it is very much an amateur series for guys who want to go racing in what is as close to street racing as is legal. In addition, prizes are substantial enough that teams can show up and if they race well make back the cost of their car preparation, and so the fields are always pretty fat.

OTL or TTL?

Couldn't pull that one off, sorry.

Comes from saving Detroit early, I get that.

Anyway, thanks for the motivation. I finally stopped my spreadsheet work and started writing again today.
 
No love for Pocono?

400 Mile race, the last one before Indianapolis. :) The place got rebuilt not too long ago, its owned by the Andrettis and Mike Lanigan now.

Dammit, you beat me to using Autopolis! :p While your POD allows such expansion, as most of my work is stats and research, I do NOT envy you. Though, I've been working on some spreadsheet formulas for my TL, so in case you are not Excel proficient, feel free to PM and I'll lend a hand.

I'll keep that in mind, but I'm reasonably proficient with spreadsheet stuff as well. If ya have ideas, kick it in.

Yeah, I'm not sure yet which venues can have staying power myself. I'm leaning towards keeping many events in a rotation between years a la OTL F1 German GPs. Are you doing something along those lines?

Sort of. Tracks that did a good job of hosting Indycar races and didn't go broke in the process get remembered by this Indycar, and get first crack if the series is returning to the area. In Europe, the Indycar tracks are Rockingham, Oulton Park, Zandvoort, Lausitz and the Nurburgring. New Zealand's Indycar races were at Pukekohe Park in Auckland, but that venue had financial problems both IOTL and ITTL. Kyalami ran Indycar races ITTL every year from 2000 to 2008, until they got their Grand Prix back. Phakisa Freeway hosted Indycar-rules invitational events in 2007 and 2008 and has been a Copa Latinoamerica regular since then, but hasn't got a full Indycar race just yet. Sao Paulo's Indycar race never happens here (the races are at Interlagos instead) and Jacarapagua in Rio de Janiero is where Indycar raced from 1996 until 2006, when the race became part of the Copa Latinoamerica.

If there is international Indycar events coming soon, Oulton Park, Phakisa Freeway and Zandvoort are first in line. The South Africans in particular really love their racing in this world, and thanks to Red Bull, they have somebody to root for in Indycars from SA.

Oh hell yes! I wanted to swing Bristol as an IndyCar venue, because of that very concept.

Bristol is not an Indycar venue. Much too tight. NASCAR loves it to death though, and the locals fans do too. :)

I would, (and probably others), would LOVE IT if you would give the lurid details of TTL's IMS.

You asked for it. ;)

Indianapolis Motor Speedway saw steady improvements in facilities and design through the 1980s, but after Tony George's arrival as Speedway boss in 1990 things changed a lot. SAFER barriers went up in 1994, and several portions of the grandstands were rebuilt in 1996-97. However, after George's ascension to the leadership of CART in the fall of 1998 and the windfalls of new events at the track in the 1990s that things really changed.

IMS gained an infield road course in 1998-99, though it is of a rather different design than OTL, faster corners and much less mickey mouse in design. This was done in response to F1 proposing a Grand Prix of the Americas at Indianapolis starting in 2000. That didn't happen (despite successful testing), but the road course first saw IMSA sports car action in 2000 and AMA motorcycle racing in 2002. The new course included a second pitlane on the midstraight of the IMSA course, with IMSA races having pits on either side of the paddock. The new Pagoda was built during this time period, as was the new media centers, garages, scoring monitors and between 1998 and 2004 the replacement of every single seat at the speedway. The benches disappeared entirely, replaced by theatre-style seats with cupholders, mounted on a steeper angle in a number of places to give better sightlines and covered stands to deal with the sun. To keep the same capacity, the double-deck stands were expanded from midway through Turn Four to mid way through Turn One. European-style pit garages were built over the old pit areas (and then VIP suites and then more grandstand seating erected over top of these), with a removable wall between the pit boxes and the pits, which is used for Indycars and NASCAR but not for IMSA.

A second VIP area was built in 2004 towards the end of the back straightaway including a stylized communications tower, set back from the track somewhat to allow double-deck stands on the outside of Turn Three, which were installed in 2007, to have better sightlines. A dedicated camping/RV section on the inside of Turns Three and Four was also built during this time, with a tunnel underneath the track to allow access separate from the tunnels used for vehicles to enter the paddock. In keeping with history, most of the new structures were erected with brick facades, and facilities for fans were enormously improved as well. The paddock includes a fully-equipped medical center including trauma center, and Indianapolis Motor Speedway's Motorsport Technology Center at the track is used by dozens of racing teams and manufacturers, including Ferrari and Porsche, who both maintain technology centers in Indianapolis. The track also has a limited number of track days every year, and these obviously sell out really fast. The track is also home to a golf course (which hosted PGA Tour events in 2007 and 2010) and a medium-sized indoor water park, the latter built by outside investors with IMS' approval and opened in 2011. (Admission to this is free to ticket holders for races at IMS.)

The track when used for the Indy 500 seats 284,525, by some margin the largest capacity of a sporting facility in North America, and that does not count those RV spectators and VIP boxes and others. It is estimated that actual Indy 500 attendance is around 305,000, and getting tickets can be tricky at the best of times.
 
I don't know if you have already answered this or not but how is Jenson Button's career ITTL ?

Button's championship year in 2009 is when I really got back into F1 again so his remained I firm favorite of mine :p
 
ITTL does Grand Prix motorcycling (presumably the MotoGP name is butterflied away) go to the USA?

It does indeed. MotoGP has three rounds in North America in 2014 - Laguna Seca, Bridgehampton and Mont-Tremblant. The AMA Superbike and Formula Series are the most common motorcycle road racing championships in the United States, and they hit most of the great racetracks in North America. :)

I don't know if you have already answered this or not but how is Jenson Button's career ITTL ?

Been a racer in Formula One since 2001. Jenson Button was world champion for Jordan in 2008, earning back Jordan's first F1 title since Schumacher's winning the title for the third time in 2000. Since then, Sebastien Vettel has won Eddie Jordan's fifth and sixth WDCs. Button currently races for Prodrive in Formula One, and so far has racked up some 27 F1 wins, the first in 2004 for Williams. One of the best in the business by some margin.
 
Re: Button

Been a racer in Formula One since 2001. Jenson Button was world champion for Jordan in 2008, earning back Jordan's first F1 title since Schumacher's winning the title for the third time in 2000. Since then, Sebastien Vettel has won Eddie Jordan's fifth and sixth WDCs. Button currently races for Prodrive in Formula One, and so far has racked up some 27 F1 wins, the first in 2004 for Williams. One of the best in the business by some margin.

The leap in wins is impressive, I can see it if TTL avoids what OTL knows as Tilkedromes. Button usually is better with classic-style tracks. OTL, he's discredited far too often, and really speaks to the skill of Villeneuve, Barrichello, Hamilton, Perez, and Magnussen. Only Hamilton could be called "better," the rest have certainly justified their careers. Given more favorable tracks ITTL, you'd have to give at least one win in any year to JB with an "above-midfield" car.
 
The leap in wins is impressive, I can see it if TTL avoids what OTL knows as Tilkedromes. Button usually is better with classic-style tracks. OTL, he's discredited far too often, and really speaks to the skill of Villeneuve, Barrichello, Hamilton, Perez, and Magnussen. Only Hamilton could be called "better," the rest have certainly justified their careers. Given more favorable tracks ITTL, you'd have to give at least one win in any year to JB with an "above-midfield" car.

He's never had a bad car to drive, really - he's driven for Benetton, Williams, Jordan and Prodrive, all teams with WDCs on their mantles. Remember that these is considerably more races he's been in, too. 27 wins in 250+ starts isn't bad, but he won six races on his way to his 2008 WDC too....
 
He's never had a bad car to drive, really - he's driven for Benetton, Williams, Jordan and Prodrive, all teams with WDCs on their mantles. Remember that these is considerably more races he's been in, too. 27 wins in 250+ starts isn't bad, but he won six races on his way to his 2008 WDC too....

That's butterflying a LOT of luck, allowing him to go from one successful team to another over fifteen seasons. He's good, but the anti-Alesi? Honestly, I always pegged JB as his generations Berger, who just happened to luck out.
 
That's butterflying a LOT of luck, allowing him to go from one successful team to another over fifteen seasons. He's good, but the anti-Alesi? Honestly, I always pegged JB as his generations Berger, who just happened to luck out.

He hasn't always had winners, but he's been very lucky with his team choices and drives, and it shows. Jenson started racing F1 at age 21 for a reason, he's that good. He was brought into his first F1 drive (Williams) by David Richards, who always backed him to the nine, Williams passed him to Benetton on a two-year loan in 2002 and 2003, then back to Williams for 2004 and 2005, then on to Jordan, paired with Michael Schumacher in 2006-2009. Richards signed his long-time friend for 2010 after he was replaced by Sebastien Vettel at Jordan, and the rest is history. Richards couldn't get him back for 2004, which is why Kimi Raikkonen was JPM's teammate in Prodrive's first title year, and Schekter only beat Button for the 2012 title because Button had a big accident at Montreal and sat out three races as a result.
 
OTL or TTL?

TTL. I WISH they had a series like that in North America. The idea of the Bridgestone Supercar Series is to provide both a way to promote the cars and Bridgestone but also provide a cheap and fairly easy way to get into semi-pro road racing. Many of the best road racers of modern times in North America began their racing careers in this series.

Road Racing in America has, roughly in terms of series prestige (sanctioning body in brackets):

1) Indycar World Series (CART/Indycar)
2) Red Bull American Sports Car Championship (IMSA)
3) Continental Tires Indycar Challenge Series (CART/Indycar)
4) Mobil 1 Trans-Am Series (SCCA)
5) North American Touring Car Championship (IMSA)
6) North American Formula Three Championship (IMSA)
7) Escort Endurance Series (SCCA/NASA)
8) Bridgestone Potenza Supercar Series (SCCA)

Continental Tires Indycar Challenge Series
The Continental Tires Indycar Challenge Series is the biggest below-Indycar open wheel racing series in North America, with smaller race cars to the Indycars, powered by E85-fueled production-based 3.5-liter V6 and V8 engines of roughly 500 horsepower. The dominant chassis in the 2010s have been made by Swift, Mygale and Fabcar, with the best engines being the Ford Duratec 35, Chrysler Pentastar, Nissan VQ35 and Alfa Romeo Generation 3A. Tires in this series are, of course, spec Continental Conti SportContact racing slicks. Junior teams of the Indycar series are common in the Indycar Challenge series, but the 2012 and 2013 seasons were dominated by Sam Schmidt Motorsports, Rocafella Motorsports Group, Compass360 Racing, Team Moore Racing and Jensen Autosports. Rocafella were the 2013 champs, and their champion, Danaya Washington, promptly signed with Andretti-Green Racing in the Indycar series. In terms of driver background, the Indycar Challenge series is probably as diverse as any racing series in the world, and this series provides lots of talented guys for other series.

Mobil 1 Trans Am Series
The Mobil 1 Trans Am Series is one of the older series in North America, and it has a unique distinction in one other regard - its rules have not been completely overhauled since 1980. The series has been dominated by tube-frame cars with silhouette-style bodies since then. The rules include a handicap system with regards to weight, engine displacement (and forced induction) and tire size. Dominated by Detroit in the 1980s until first the Porsche 928 S4 won the series in 1987 and then the Audi 200 Quattro in 1988 and 1989, the mighty racers got toned down some in the 1990s before the late 1990s and 2000s took them back to their fire-breathing days. Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro and Chevrolet Corvette chassis are most common in numbers, but there are also Jaguar XKR, Audi A6, Panoz Esperante, BMW 6-series, Cadillac CTS-V, Dodge Challenger and Toyota Camry racers. The cars are all tube-frame chassis with fiberglass bodywork, and the rules limit the racers to production-based engines (GM LS-series V8, Cadillac Northstar XV12, Ford Coyote V8 and Ecoboost V6, Jaguar AJ V8, Volkswagen-Audi VR6 Turbo, BMW S85 and S63, Chrysler 392 Hemi, Toyota 1LR-GUE), off-the-shelf engine management systems, manual gearboxes and no driver aids whatsoever, as well as series-equalized aerodynamics. Cars for 2011 gained fatter fender flares and the ability to use massive (albeit single-element) wings. All cars run on spec Goodyear Eagle tires of various specific sizes (though with the same compound for all). As power outputs in this series start at 700 horsepower and go up from there, the series isn't easy to drive in, but the drivers who do love it to bits, and the use of penalty weights, equalized cars, production-based engines and relatively low-tech chassis makes sure that the cost keeps down to reasonable levels. The 2013 champs were HKS Pro Team North America's Toyota Camry, powered by the Toyota 1LR-GUE V10 engine from the Lexus LFA.

Autozone North American Touring Car Championship
The North American Touring Car Championship has two sets of rules - TC1 cars are run to 2014 World Touring Car Championship rules, while TC2 cars run to British Touring Car Championship rules, but with more powerful engines than the BTCC. TC1 cars in the NATCC are dominated by the BMW 1 Series, Nissan Versa Note and Ford Focus ST, while the TC2 category is dominated by the Dodge Dart, Buick Regal Grand National, Volkswagen CC, Rover 55 and Lexus IS250, with the Chevrolet Cruze and Honda Civic having versions in both categories. Both classes run pretty much even speeds, though the TC1 cars are better in the corners and on the brakes while the TC2 cars run faster in a straight line owing to more power (450 hp against 380-400 hp). Racing in both categories is known to be intense, with close racing genuinely encouraged. All events have three races, with two 75-mile sprint races (where pitstops are not required) and a 125-mile feature race (where they are), and the results from the feature race contribute 50% more points for each position to the championship. The 2013 champion was Karl Wittmer for Protosport Racing in a Buick Regal Grand National, who won the title on a tiebreaker from Pierre Kleinubing and his RealTime Racing Honda Civic WTCC.

Shell V-Power North American Formula Three Championship
The third North American open-wheel racing series on pavement, the F3 North American series is, unlike Indy Lights, an all road and street course series and runs to worldwide F3 rules, though with spec Continental Tires. Most competitors run Dallara F312 and Swift 024.i chassis, though Dome F118 and Fabcar FCR05 chassis also see service. The dominant engines in North America are those provided by Honda (tuned by Mugen), Chevrolet (tuned by Hendrick Motorsports) and Mercedes-Benz (tuned by HWA), while units made by Volkswagen, Nissan and Toyota see usage. As the cars used here are identical in most cases to those used in F3 events around the world, its often said that the North American F3 series is a good comparison of what American drivers can do. The 2013 champ is Puerto Rican driver Félix Serrallés, who won the title by one point over 18-year-old model-turned-racer Ashley Stavaner. Two notable 2014 competitors in this series are Taylor Earnhardt, Dale Earnhardt's youngest daughter (Dale Jr's half-sister) and Tanner Woodley, the younger brother of Hollywood starlet Shailene Woodley, both still teenagers. The North American F3 Championship's premiere event is the Savannah F3 International held in Savannah, Georgia, which after its founding in 1997 grew to become one of the world's premiere Formula Three events, with it being the first in the late-season F3 events, it getting such success in this that the Indy Lights left the event in 2003, making it F3 only.
 
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So the lower rungs look far more stable and encompassing than OTL, nice.

What about karting? What does that look like?

Still researching the karting ranks, but pretty much everyone who goes into North American road racing starts there, though some also start on the old school dirt tracks and short ovals.
 
Still researching the karting ranks, but pretty much everyone who goes into North American road racing starts there, though some also start on the old school dirt tracks and short ovals.

Please forward me links you find useful!

One thing to consider is the butterflies of a stronger ladder that's broader at the bottom. With your POD so early, people with ability but insufficient means for OTL racing may have a chance ITTL. Your stronger automotive industry would allow for development of karting circuits in urban areas. Gentrification via karting is plausible, which means the US and Canada would see an influx of talented non-white drivers at the IndyCar/F1 level twenty to twenty-five years of implementation.

I'm salivating at the thought of some African-American woman saying in an interview for Autosport, "Even when I was a little girl, I knew didn't want to be some gangbanger's woman. School wasn't easy for me from day one, but then Ford took this run-down warehouse and put in a karting school. My mom got me lessons for my eighth birthday, and I was first in my class so I won more lessons for free. I kept winning, kept moving up. It took me awhile, I guess it would have been easier if I started when I was even younger, but I put a car on the F1 grid before I turned thirty. Then, on my thirtieth birthday I got the best present I could ever hope for, a call from Ron Dennis..."
 
Please forward me links you find useful!

Will do. :)

One thing to consider is the butterflies of a stronger ladder that's broader at the bottom. With your POD so early, people with ability but insufficient means for OTL racing may have a chance ITTL. Your stronger automotive industry would allow for development of karting circuits in urban areas. Gentrification via karting is plausible, which means the US and Canada would see an influx of talented non-white drivers at the IndyCar/F1 level twenty to twenty-five years of implementation.

You know, I never thought of it that way, but it does indeed make a lot of sense to think about it that way. It's also worth pointing out that this North America is the world from three TLs of mine, those being Streets of Detroit, Canadian Power and Transport America. The country in this world is a little wealthier but a lot better for those in the lower and middle classes, so there is almost certainly a lot more people who would have the money to go do stuff like this, and yes the idea of gentrification turning warehouses into kart tracks is a good one. Hell, how about an old factory being turned into a multilevel karting facility with actual inclines? And on top of that, I'm thinking that some big parking lots might be ideal for autocross courses and some old properties might be good places to put tracks. A 5/8-mile racetrack with removable walls surrounding a football field, anyone? That wouldn't work for pro racing, of course, but it might work for amateur tracks. I also have had Bridgehampton, Brainerd and Riverside rescued and some new places built as well, and the same is true for ovals. In recent times, every short track lost to development has had a replacement somewhere, and some of those have even been built in old industrial properties deep inside cities....

I'm salivating at the thought of some African-American woman saying in an interview for Autosport, "Even when I was a little girl, I knew didn't want to be some gangbanger's woman. School wasn't easy for me from day one, but then Ford took this run-down warehouse and put in a karting school. My mom got me lessons for my eighth birthday, and I was first in my class so I won more lessons for free. I kept winning, kept moving up. It took me awhile, I guess it would have been easier if I started when I was even younger, but I put a car on the F1 grid before I turned thirty. Then, on my thirtieth birthday I got the best present I could ever hope for, a call from Ron Dennis..."

Well, if one is calling from McLaren in recent times, the caller will probably be James Hunt, Martin Whitmarsh or Gordon Murray, not Ron Dennis, but the point stands. There is much fewer gangbangers in this world, and it does have to be said that there is lots of men (and indeed a few women) of color in racing now. One of the women in color was the F3 champ in 2011, Indy Lights champ in 2013 and currently races for Andretti-Green in Indycars. Three black men have put their faces on the Borg-Warner Trophy (Joie Ray in 1955, Willy T. Ribbs in 1991 and Lewis Hamilton in 2006) and Wendell Scott dynamited the color barrier in NASCAR in the mid-1960s, so black racers aren't seen as unusual now. I suppose if one was to ask Danaya Washington (born in Washington, DC) or Andre Grant (Indy Lights racer born and raised in New Orleans, LA) or Felipe Megrano (born in Havana, Cuba but raised in Miami, FL) they'd make a lot of comments about ghetto kids coming spectacularly good....
 
What networks broadcast the races?

Is this a TL, BTW?

Could you name the presidents ITTL?
 
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What networks broadcast the races?

Is this a TL, BTW?

It's sorta a TL. Not sure if it really fits a TL perfectly just yet, but meh.

Formula One races in the Americas (Long Beach, Montreal, New Jersey, Circuit of the Americas, Watkins Glen, Potrero de Los Funes, Interlagos and Mexico City) are shown on NBC, while NBC Sports shows all of the other F1 races live. Indycar also is most of the time on NBC, with races not on NBC being on NBC Sports, though flyaway events are usually on Speedvision. NASCAR is on Fox and Fox Sports 1, with those races not on those networks on NASCAR's own TV network. Shorter IMSA events are usually on NBC Sports, longer races on Speedvision, which is willing to show even 24 Hour races live. USA Network has the rights to SCCA Pro races, including Trans-Am and Escort Endurance Challenge Races. Speedvision has two channels to deal with the quantity of events worthy of coverage, particularly since they also show motorcycle racing, GP2, World Endurance Championship, DTM, WRC, Super GT, V8 Supercars, Rallycross....
 
You know, I never thought of it that way, but it does indeed make a lot of sense to think about it that way. It's also worth pointing out that this North America is the world from three TLs of mine, those being Streets of Detroit, Canadian Power and Transport America.

Noted. Are they After-1900 or Finished Timelines?

The country in this world is a little wealthier but a lot better for those in the lower and middle classes, so there is almost certainly a lot more people who would have the money to go do stuff like this, and yes the idea of gentrification turning warehouses into kart tracks is a good one. Hell, how about an old factory being turned into a multilevel karting facility with actual inclines?
To that, I suggest http://hiddencityphila.org/2013/09/...k-botany-500-building-awaiting-its-next-life/ for Philadelphia, (Ideally done by Ford given the history.) IOTL, it was pretty much dead in the 70's, and the location (right on a subway stop, on top of a hill with an amazing view south,) would mean that if done right, you could get away with increasing prices if/when that part of town revitalizes. I'm talking a setup like I ran into in Germany. A pub with a view of the track - and add here some spectacular views. Have a couple league nights, and class sessions blocked off, and use the tracks (I'm assuming multiple possible layouts,) to earn money.

OTL, it's not the best neighborhood, but it's two subway stops north of Temple University, eight north of City Hall and the Market-Frankford line connection, which means those who may still be nervous can stick to mass transit. There's enough space for a few classrooms, a couple locker rooms, restaurant/bar space, and PLENTY of room for a track through the floors, with spectator area. As technology advances, you could put on-board cameras broadcasting to CCTV, so people could watch on other floors. Now, add the roof, and again, think of what you could do with a roof with a view.

And on top of that, I'm thinking that some big parking lots might be ideal for autocross courses and some old properties might be good places to put tracks. A 5/8-mile racetrack with removable walls surrounding a football field, anyone? That wouldn't work for pro racing, of course, but it might work for amateur tracks. I also have had Bridgehampton, Brainerd and Riverside rescued and some new places built as well, and the same is true for ovals. In recent times, every short track lost to development has had a replacement somewhere, and some of those have even been built in old industrial properties deep inside cities....
What you could do is a 1/4mi to 500m oval with interior road circuit options. That's where I'm about to go in TMfSP, and I don't mind the idea being poached. The warehouse idea is a dream I've always had, but I know it's beyond the scope of my POD for the near term.

Well, if one is calling from McLaren in recent times, the caller will probably be James Hunt, Martin Whitmarsh or Gordon Murray, not Ron Dennis, but the point stands. There is much fewer gangbangers in this world, and it does have to be said that there is lots of men (and indeed a few women) of color in racing now. One of the women in color was the F3 champ in 2011, Indy Lights champ in 2013 and currently races for Andretti-Green in Indycars. Three black men have put their faces on the Borg-Warner Trophy (Joie Ray in 1955, Willy T. Ribbs in 1991 and Lewis Hamilton in 2006) and Wendell Scott dynamited the color barrier in NASCAR in the mid-1960s, so black racers aren't seen as unusual now. I suppose if one was to ask Danaya Washington (born in Washington, DC) or Andre Grant (Indy Lights racer born and raised in New Orleans, LA) or Felipe Megrano (born in Havana, Cuba but raised in Miami, FL) they'd make a lot of comments about ghetto kids coming spectacularly good....
Good to hear it's not just a couple steps ahead of tokenism. I just wondered how you got there.
 
Noted. Are they After-1900 or Finished Timelines?

After 1900. Transport America's POD is the Interstate Highway System being revamped into the Transport America Act (giving help to mass transit and railroad system as well as roads), branches out from there in the 1970s. Streets of Detroit begins with the Chevrolet Corvair being a huge hit and GM then deciding that the way to bury its opposition was technological advancement, and a series of hits in the 1960s proves the point to them loud and clear, thus giving the beginnings of Detroit revolutionizing themselves into technological powerhouses and racing juggernauts. Canadian Power is the TL I had that started with Canada acquiring an aircraft carrier in the early 1970s as a bone thrown to the Canadian Forces from the government of then-Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. The three of them combined by those worlds' 2014 is a very prosperous, much more advanced society, the sorta place where people of all walks of life have more free time to enjoy, spend less time commuting, live healthier lives and have rather more money to spend on leisure pursuits. Combine the prosperous America with an American auto industry where the five big domestic automakers (GM, Ford, Chrysler, American Motors and Magna) between them control 75%-80% of this very-big domestic market and you get why they spend a helluva lot of money in motorsport, because they can and they want to kick ass.

To that, I suggest http://hiddencityphila.org/2013/09/...k-botany-500-building-awaiting-its-next-life/ for Philadelphia, (Ideally done by Ford given the history.) IOTL, it was pretty much dead in the 70's, and the location (right on a subway stop, on top of a hill with an amazing view south,) would mean that if done right, you could get away with increasing prices if/when that part of town revitalizes. I'm talking a setup like I ran into in Germany. A pub with a view of the track - and add here some spectacular views. Have a couple league nights, and class sessions blocked off, and use the tracks (I'm assuming multiple possible layouts,) to earn money.

OTL, it's not the best neighborhood, but it's two subway stops north of Temple University, eight north of City Hall and the Market-Frankford line connection, which means those who may still be nervous can stick to mass transit. There's enough space for a few classrooms, a couple locker rooms, restaurant/bar space, and PLENTY of room for a track through the floors, with spectator area. As technology advances, you could put on-board cameras broadcasting to CCTV, so people could watch on other floors. Now, add the roof, and again, think of what you could do with a roof with a view.

What you could do is a 1/4mi to 500m oval with interior road circuit options. That's where I'm about to go in TMfSP, and I don't mind the idea being poached. The warehouse idea is a dream I've always had, but I know it's beyond the scope of my POD for the near term.

I had never even thought about that, but its a brilliant idea. I don't think I could put a for-real track in it, but I'm thinking that that might be an ideal place for one of America's finest karting facilities, a bunch of restaurants and shops catering to motorsport (Stores for Sparco, Autobacs, Autoart and others) and the upper floors being education centers for the kart classes, racing car mechanics and engineers and the like. Bottom floor is the parts stores, two above that two kart tracks, with the pub looking out over the upper one, and another part of the pub being full of TVs tuned to racing. Another kart track on the top of the building (think the test track on top of the Fiat plant in Turin in Italy), and the parking lot on the other side of the SEPTA would have a new building, ground level being more shops, two floors above that being parking lot for visitors (with an access bridge over the SEPTA tracks) and then a fourth kart track on top of the building. The Sunoco station across the street would have to sell race gas, and a nearby factory is occupied by Rotax, the big maker of kart engines.

Good to hear it's not just a couple steps ahead of tokenism. I just wondered how you got there.

More wealth in America's lower and middle classes and American automakers having a deep wish to pound each other in worldwide road racing does a lot of that. Not tokenism here, there are quite a number of men and women of African-American, Asian-American and Hispanic-American descent out racing cars at every level nowadays ITTL. :)
 
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