Alternate Eng Civil War - Colonial impact.

Suppose you had a differant english civil war in which we have Cromwell killed whilst still relatively unimportant, the parliamentarian still win and establish a republic in England but the monarchy is allowed to relocate to Scotland which has not joined the Parliament forces and is not as dominated by Covenanters, the Confederation of Kilkenny joins the Royalists so we effectivly have a Republican England with somewhat chaotic government and a United Kingdom of Scotland and Ireland.

My question is what is likely to happen to British colonial possessions ? Would the colonies stay with the Republic or would they declare for the royalty dispite them not owning the homeland ?
 
There was one very small battle in the New World colonies during the civil war. I think it took place in Maryland.
 
Thank you - so they are likely to join the Kingdom of Scotland post war then ?

Does anyone have a Worlda map of the civil war era ?

I would guess so
I think Cromwell sent an exhibition over their but with a strong royalist force around the colonies would stay with Scotland

Or the royals flee to Virginia
 
This will have huge buttefly's

Ireland for example will now have a huge share of the UK's population so will be much more important in politics and also without Cromwell's Irish Campaigns Protestants will be less powerful and so overtime you could see Catholics gain parlimentary power as Protestants are a tiny group compared to them.
 
This will have huge buttefly's

Ireland for example will now have a huge share of the UK's population so will be much more important in politics and also without Cromwell's Irish Campaigns Protestants will be less powerful and so overtime you could see Catholics gain parlimentary power as Protestants are a tiny group compared to them.

Would it be possible for royalist feelings in both Scotland and Ireland to hold together the Presbyterians who would be more moderate ITTL and weaker with the majority Catholic Irish - perhaps if the Solemn League is never written and instead the movement crushed stillborn. Also in the colonies would Presbyterianism be enforced ? I imagine what with the Puritans it would be fairly similar ideology.
 
The colonies were royalists throughout the war

The only colony that was firmly Royalist was Virginia (hence the whole 'Old Dominion' thing), but even they didn't formally declare one way or the other, to stop their shipping from being attacked. The other colonies varied. New England was formally neutral for trade reasons as Virginia was, but was firmly on the Parliamentarian side and sent large numbers of volunteers to help fight the King. Bermuda and Maryland both had small civil wars of their own- in the former, the Royalists won, while in Mayland the faction identifying with Parliament was more successful.



My question is what is likely to happen to British colonial possessions ? Would the colonies stay with the Republic or would they declare for the royalty dispite them not owning the homeland ?

I suspect that in a situation like this, everyone would try to hold off committing one way or the other until they were forced to- New England would certainly be on very good terms with the *Commonwealth, while Virginia and Maryland would incline towards the King. An awful lot would depend on the legalities of the situation- remember that the colonies were established under English law, so if the King has somehow been induced to formally renounce the English throne, then London has the legal right to call the shots and the King of Ireland and Scotland is a foreigner with no right to interfere.

What you might see is something like OTL, where Parliament sent a taskforce to the Americas to ensure the loyalty of the colonies. IOTL, the only real fighting was on Bermuda and Virginia acquiesced to the new regime, but ITTL, it might see more action.
 
I suspect that in a situation like this, everyone would try to hold off committing one way or the other until they were forced to- New England would certainly be on very good terms with the *Commonwealth, while Virginia and Maryland would incline towards the King. An awful lot would depend on the legalities of the situation- remember that the colonies were established under English law, so if the King has somehow been induced to formally renounce the English throne, then London has the legal right to call the shots and the King of Ireland and Scotland is a foreigner with no right to interfere.

What you might see is something like OTL, where Parliament sent a taskforce to the Americas to ensure the loyalty of the colonies. IOTL, the only real fighting was on Bermuda and Virginia acquiesced to the new regime, but ITTL, it might see more action.

Assuming that the situation is that the King had been declared only king of Scotland and Ireland but not formally abandoned claims to the English throne. There is an uneasy peace, said king is not part of the original royal family because Charles and his direct children were killed in the Civil War.

If Parliament sent forces and say Virginia decided to oppose them how much resistance could they give ? If the colonies were left to battle it out based on the loyalties you suggested which persuasion would win ?
 
Assuming that the situation is that the King had been declared only king of Scotland and Ireland but not formally abandoned claims to the English throne. There is an uneasy peace, said king is not part of the original royal family because Charles and his direct children were killed in the Civil War.

If Parliament sent forces and say Virginia decided to oppose them how much resistance could they give ? If the colonies were left to battle it out based on the loyalties you suggested which persuasion would win ?

Right, well in that case I think you'd see something pretty much identical to OTL, where Parliament sent two ships and a couple of hundred men to secure Virginia, Maryland and Bermuda for the Commonwealth. ITTL, with the King still around, it's possible that the Virginians choose to fight, instead of surrendering as they did IOTL; if that happens, the Virginians have the advantage of numbers but the Parliamentary ships outclass anything the colonists have and can do a very good job of blockading the Virginian coast. I reckon Governor Berkelely, who was a sensible sort, would see the way the wind was blowing and surrender as he did IOTL.
 
Right, well in that case I think you'd see something pretty much identical to OTL, where Parliament sent two ships and a couple of hundred men to secure Virginia, Maryland and Bermuda for the Commonwealth. ITTL, with the King still around, it's possible that the Virginians choose to fight, instead of surrendering as they did IOTL; if that happens, the Virginians have the advantage of numbers but the Parliamentary ships outclass anything the colonists have and can do a very good job of blockading the Virginian coast. I reckon Governor Berkelely, who was a sensible sort, would see the way the wind was blowing and surrender as he did IOTL.

Thank you that was very helpful.
 
If the commonwealth did not choose to attempt to regain the colonies beyond New England which lets say rejoins them, would there be any possibility for Virginia to choose its own monarchy - if lets say Charles' whole direct family are killed in the war and the king elected by the Scottish parliament is not particually legit ? Would they be able to go it alone ?
 
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