Alternate Electoral Maps
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1880
Winfield Hancock - 247 EV
James Garfield - 122 EV
1884
Grover Cleveland - 225 EV
James Blaine - 176
Cleveland's winning of Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania padded his Upper South losses. Here he bests his OTL total by 6 EVs.
1888
Grover Cleveland - 254 EV
Benjamin Harrison - 137 EV
1892
Grover Cleveland - 246 EV
Benjamin Harrison - 180 EV
James Weaver - 18 EV
Harrison beats Weaver in Idaho by 19 votes... Here Cleveland wins like OTL, but he underperforms his OTL self.
1840: Martin Van Buren (Democrat)
1844: Henry Clay (Whig)
1848: Zachary Taylor (Whig)
1852: Winfield Scott (Whig)
1856: James Buchanan (Democrat)
1860: no victor; Stephen Douglas (Democrat)
1864: George McClellan (Democrat)
1868: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democrat)
1880: Winfield Hancock (Democrat)
1884: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1888: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1892: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
OTL winners stand 6-8.
Winfield Hancock - 247 EV
James Garfield - 122 EV
1884
Grover Cleveland - 225 EV
James Blaine - 176
Cleveland's winning of Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania padded his Upper South losses. Here he bests his OTL total by 6 EVs.
1888
Grover Cleveland - 254 EV
Benjamin Harrison - 137 EV
1892
Grover Cleveland - 246 EV
Benjamin Harrison - 180 EV
James Weaver - 18 EV
Harrison beats Weaver in Idaho by 19 votes... Here Cleveland wins like OTL, but he underperforms his OTL self.
1840: Martin Van Buren (Democrat)
1844: Henry Clay (Whig)
1848: Zachary Taylor (Whig)
1852: Winfield Scott (Whig)
1856: James Buchanan (Democrat)
1860: no victor; Stephen Douglas (Democrat)
1864: George McClellan (Democrat)
1868: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democrat)
1880: Winfield Hancock (Democrat)
1884: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1888: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1892: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
OTL winners stand 6-8.
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Head-To-Head Matchups, 12/15/87
President Chiles vs. Former President Hickel
Chiles - 284 EV - 48.95%
Hickel - 254 EV - 48.42%
President Chiles vs. Governor Buchanan
Chiles - 300 EV - 49.21%
Buchanan - 238 EV - 46.68%
President Chiles vs. Governor Rodham
Chiles - 306 EV - 50.02%
Rodham - 232 EV - 47.28%
President Chiles vs. Senator Deukmejian
Chiles - 317 EV - 51.17%
Deukmejian - 227 EV - 45.98%
President Chiles vs. Senator Perot
Chiles - 320 EV - 49.80%
Perot - 218 EV - 47.01%
President Chiles vs. Governor Day O'Connor
Chiles - 337 EV - 51.58%
Day O'Connor - 201 EV - 44.64%
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Head-To-Head Matchups, 12/15/87
President Chiles vs. Former President Hickel
Chiles - 284 EV - 48.95%
Hickel - 254 EV - 48.42%
President Chiles vs. Governor Buchanan
Chiles - 300 EV - 49.21%
Buchanan - 238 EV - 46.68%
President Chiles vs. Governor Rodham
Chiles - 306 EV - 50.02%
Rodham - 232 EV - 47.28%
President Chiles vs. Senator Deukmejian
Chiles - 317 EV - 51.17%
Deukmejian - 227 EV - 45.98%
President Chiles vs. Senator Perot
Chiles - 320 EV - 49.80%
Perot - 218 EV - 47.01%
President Chiles vs. Governor Day O'Connor
Chiles - 337 EV - 51.58%
Day O'Connor - 201 EV - 44.64%
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Might as well post this here, the first election in The Die Hath Been Cast
United States Presidential Election, 1788-89
Former Governor Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalist-Virginia) 37 EVs; 52.8% PV
Major General Benjamin Lincoln (Federalist-Massachusetts) 22 EVs; 47.2% PV
Former Governor Patrick Henry (Anti-Federalist-Virginia) 37 EVs; 52.8% PV
Major General Benjamin Lincoln (Federalist-Massachusetts) 22 EVs; 47.2% PV
1996 in Third Parties Galore
BROWN, Edmund Gerald "Jerry" (Reform): 37.4%
DORNAN, Robert Kenneth "Bob" (Am. Ind.): 28.7%
RODHAM, Hillary Diane (Libertarian): 8.3%
JACKSON, Jesse Louis (Socialist): 7.6%
WELD, William Floyd (Progressive): 7.3%
BREAUX, John Berlinger (Populist): 5.1%
BABBITT, Bruce Edward (Green): 4.4%
MOOREHEAD, Monica Gail (Workers'): 0.8%
OTHERS: 0.4%
The Populists collapse after this election, BTW.
Oh, and the Greens slowly evolve from a conservationist party to a lefty environmentalist one, as you can see by its candidates.
1992: Wendell Berry (conservationist and agrarian, not really left-y at all)
1996: Bruce Babbitt (conservationist, centrist-y, probably was once a Progressive)
2000: Al Gore (environmentalist, once the Populist candidate in 1988, shifted left since)
2004: Ralph Nader (environmentalist, pretty left-wing, but mainly consumer's rights)
2008: Jill Stein (environmentalist, strongly left-wing, probably advocates a "Green Society")
2012: Bernie Sanders (not really an explicit environmentalist, but strongly left-wing)
2016: Zephyr Teachout (outright metamorphosis into half of the "Justice Coalition")
1972 election in Third Parties Galore
ROCKEFELLER, Nelson Aldrich (Progressive): 283 EV, 36.3%
CHANDLER, Albert Benjamin "Happy" (Am. Ind.): 196 EV, 27.7%
MCGOVERN, George Stanley (Socialist): 43 EV, 21.8%
MCKEITHEN, John Julian (Populist): 10 EV, 7.9%
GOLDWATER, Barry Morris (Libertarian): 6 EV, 3.0%
HALBERG, Arvo Kustaa (Workers'): 0 EV, 1.9%
FAUBUS, Orval Eugene (States' Rights): 0 EV, 0.8%
OTHERS: 0.9%
When hours of demographic statistics leave you too lazy to think up an original scenario. The last presidential election before the dissolution of the Soviet Union:
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1896
William McKinley - 280 EV
William Bryan - 167 EV
14 states flip here, 8 to McKinley, 6 to Bryan. McKinley bests his OTL EV total by 7.
1900
William Bryan - 235 EV
William McKinley - 212 EV
1904
Theodore Roosevelt - 338 EV
Alton Parker - 138 EV
Roosevelt underperforms OTL by 5 EVs. Still a mop.
1908
William Taft - 315 EV
William Bryan - 168 EV
Taft underperforms by 12 EVs.
1912
Woodrow Wilson - 369 EV
Theodore Roosevelt - 105 EV
William Taft - 57 EV
Wilson still wins, but he does so with 64 EVs less than OTL.
1840: Martin Van Buren (Democrat)
1844: Henry Clay (Whig)
1848: Zachary Taylor (Whig)
1852: Winfield Scott (Whig)
1856: James Buchanan (Democrat)
1860: no victor; Stephen Douglas (Democrat)
1864: George McClellan (Democrat)
1868: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democrat)
1880: Winfield Hancock (Democrat)
1884: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1888: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1892: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1896: William McKinley (Republican)
1900: William Bryan (Democrat)
1904: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1908: William Taft (Republican)
1912: Woodrow Wilson (Democrat)
OTL victors are now in the lead, 10-9.
William McKinley - 280 EV
William Bryan - 167 EV
14 states flip here, 8 to McKinley, 6 to Bryan. McKinley bests his OTL EV total by 7.
1900
William Bryan - 235 EV
William McKinley - 212 EV
1904
Theodore Roosevelt - 338 EV
Alton Parker - 138 EV
Roosevelt underperforms OTL by 5 EVs. Still a mop.
1908
William Taft - 315 EV
William Bryan - 168 EV
Taft underperforms by 12 EVs.
1912
Woodrow Wilson - 369 EV
Theodore Roosevelt - 105 EV
William Taft - 57 EV
Wilson still wins, but he does so with 64 EVs less than OTL.
1840: Martin Van Buren (Democrat)
1844: Henry Clay (Whig)
1848: Zachary Taylor (Whig)
1852: Winfield Scott (Whig)
1856: James Buchanan (Democrat)
1860: no victor; Stephen Douglas (Democrat)
1864: George McClellan (Democrat)
1868: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872: Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1876: Samuel Tilden (Democrat)
1880: Winfield Hancock (Democrat)
1884: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1888: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1892: Grover Cleveland (Democrat)
1896: William McKinley (Republican)
1900: William Bryan (Democrat)
1904: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1908: William Taft (Republican)
1912: Woodrow Wilson (Democrat)
OTL victors are now in the lead, 10-9.
New York's Third Party Vote:
Orange is Donald Trump on the Conservative Ticket
and Navy is Gary Johnson on the Independence Party of New York Ticket
Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine
WFP
130,245 (17.22%)
WEP
32,307 (4.26%)
Donald J. Trump / Michael R. Pence
CON
271,961 (35.86%)
Jill Stein / Ajamu Baraka
GRE
100,110 (13.25%)
Gary Johnson / Bill Weld
IND
109,965 (14.47%)
LBT
52,308 (6.91%)
Write-in
61,241 (8.03%)
Orange is Donald Trump on the Conservative Ticket
- Dark Orange is holds from the normal vote
- Light Orange is Trump gains from Clinton in the normal vote
and Navy is Gary Johnson on the Independence Party of New York Ticket
Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine
WFP
130,245 (17.22%)
WEP
32,307 (4.26%)
Donald J. Trump / Michael R. Pence
CON
271,961 (35.86%)
Jill Stein / Ajamu Baraka
GRE
100,110 (13.25%)
Gary Johnson / Bill Weld
IND
109,965 (14.47%)
LBT
52,308 (6.91%)
Write-in
61,241 (8.03%)
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The TRUMPOCALYPSE, Part I
With many still questioning the legitimacy of his presidency, Democrats were eager to defeat George W. Bush's reelection bid. As such, many of them decided to run for president, hoping to defeat him after a single term. Too many. The wide open Democratic field rife with candidates of a relatively low national profile provided the perfect avenue for the right candidate, an outsider who had donated to many a campaign, but had never himself held office to step forward and galvanize primary voters Democrats didn't know they had. That candidate? Real estate mogul and brief candidate for the 2000 Reform Party presidential nomination Donald Trump.
Though widely derided for his antics at the time, the billionaire proved his critics wrong. From raucous debates in which he implies that the Bushes stole Florida, to proclamations against the Iraq War, to the free helicopter rides offered to Iowans at their state fair in 2004, Trump ignited a movement, walloping Howard Dean, long the favorite in the state, in the Iowa caucuses. Trump then exploited successfully the divide between candidates from neighboring states in New Hampshire, Governor Dean and Senator Kerry, winning the first-in-the nation primary, winning also many paleoconservative voters there who opted to participate in the Democratic primary. Efforts to recruit Al Gore into the race as a Stop Trump candidate proved to be too little too late, and the businessman locked up the nomination with relative ease. He chose Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa to be his running mate.
Promising voters trade policies that benefitted the American public, a total victory in Afghanistan, getting out of Iraq, a firm promise to defend Medicare and Social Security, and substantial campaign finance reform, Trump galvanized Democrats, cutting even into Bush's support with conservative Democrats in some states, and repulsion from Republicans in others. When the dust settled, the man no one thought stood a chance did it; Trump had won, becoming the 44th President of the United States.
Businessman Donald J. Trump of New York/Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa (Democratic) 279 Electoral votes
President George W. Bush of Texas/Vice President Dick Cheney of Wyoming (Republican) 259 electoral votes
With many still questioning the legitimacy of his presidency, Democrats were eager to defeat George W. Bush's reelection bid. As such, many of them decided to run for president, hoping to defeat him after a single term. Too many. The wide open Democratic field rife with candidates of a relatively low national profile provided the perfect avenue for the right candidate, an outsider who had donated to many a campaign, but had never himself held office to step forward and galvanize primary voters Democrats didn't know they had. That candidate? Real estate mogul and brief candidate for the 2000 Reform Party presidential nomination Donald Trump.
Though widely derided for his antics at the time, the billionaire proved his critics wrong. From raucous debates in which he implies that the Bushes stole Florida, to proclamations against the Iraq War, to the free helicopter rides offered to Iowans at their state fair in 2004, Trump ignited a movement, walloping Howard Dean, long the favorite in the state, in the Iowa caucuses. Trump then exploited successfully the divide between candidates from neighboring states in New Hampshire, Governor Dean and Senator Kerry, winning the first-in-the nation primary, winning also many paleoconservative voters there who opted to participate in the Democratic primary. Efforts to recruit Al Gore into the race as a Stop Trump candidate proved to be too little too late, and the businessman locked up the nomination with relative ease. He chose Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa to be his running mate.
Promising voters trade policies that benefitted the American public, a total victory in Afghanistan, getting out of Iraq, a firm promise to defend Medicare and Social Security, and substantial campaign finance reform, Trump galvanized Democrats, cutting even into Bush's support with conservative Democrats in some states, and repulsion from Republicans in others. When the dust settled, the man no one thought stood a chance did it; Trump had won, becoming the 44th President of the United States.
Businessman Donald J. Trump of New York/Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa (Democratic) 279 Electoral votes
President George W. Bush of Texas/Vice President Dick Cheney of Wyoming (Republican) 259 electoral votes
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Great work! That's funny that Johnson received more votes on the Independence line than on the Libertarian line. New York elections lopping off the top two are always interesting because of fusion.
The TRUMPOCALYPSE, Part II
Due to butterflies, the 2007-2008 recession doesn't start in this timeline until after the 2008 presidential election. Even with that however, things weren't all roses for the 44th President of the United States. Yes, he was able to appoint his sister to a Supreme Court vacancy. Yes, like George W. Bush, his party actually gained seats in the midterm elections, defying the typical trend against the party holding the White House. Trump managed to get passed a corporate income tax reform, repealed large parts of the Bush tax cuts, and was able to make changes to campaign finance law. But, on the international stage, his Iraq draw-down not only left that country in disarray, but seems to have emboldened the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. Frustrations over the latter lead the president to openly suggest that NATO may be obsolete. That insinuation is the cudgel John McCain hoped would land him in the White House in 2008. Despite the fondness Trump once suggested that he had for the Arizona senator, the campaign proves to be a nasty one with recriminations on both sides. A debate moderator during the fall campaign, responding to the bitterness evident in the campaign, concluded the last debate by asking if there was anything the candidates liked in each other. President Trump spoke last, his words managing not to doom him yet again despite the ire they draw, "I like people who aren't captured!"
The economy was relatively stable, and President Trump delivered on several major promises soaring comfortably to reelection. A lack of enthusiasm among Republicans for McCain further solidified the result.
President Donald Trump of New York/Vice President Tom Harkin of Iowa (Democratic) 325 Electoral votes
Senator John McCain of Arizona/Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota (Republican) 213 Electoral votess
Due to butterflies, the 2007-2008 recession doesn't start in this timeline until after the 2008 presidential election. Even with that however, things weren't all roses for the 44th President of the United States. Yes, he was able to appoint his sister to a Supreme Court vacancy. Yes, like George W. Bush, his party actually gained seats in the midterm elections, defying the typical trend against the party holding the White House. Trump managed to get passed a corporate income tax reform, repealed large parts of the Bush tax cuts, and was able to make changes to campaign finance law. But, on the international stage, his Iraq draw-down not only left that country in disarray, but seems to have emboldened the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. Frustrations over the latter lead the president to openly suggest that NATO may be obsolete. That insinuation is the cudgel John McCain hoped would land him in the White House in 2008. Despite the fondness Trump once suggested that he had for the Arizona senator, the campaign proves to be a nasty one with recriminations on both sides. A debate moderator during the fall campaign, responding to the bitterness evident in the campaign, concluded the last debate by asking if there was anything the candidates liked in each other. President Trump spoke last, his words managing not to doom him yet again despite the ire they draw, "I like people who aren't captured!"
The economy was relatively stable, and President Trump delivered on several major promises soaring comfortably to reelection. A lack of enthusiasm among Republicans for McCain further solidified the result.
President Donald Trump of New York/Vice President Tom Harkin of Iowa (Democratic) 325 Electoral votes
Senator John McCain of Arizona/Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota (Republican) 213 Electoral votess
This time the Senate
Charles E. Schumer
WFP
227,922 (27.68%)
IND
140,207 (17.06%)
WEP
41,154 (4.96%)
Wendy Long
CON
247,789 (30.11%)
REF
16,457 (2.00%)
Robin Laverne Wilson
GRN
102,479 (12.45%)
Alex Merced
LBT
43,944 (5.31%)
Write-in
345,570 (.43%)
Charles E. Schumer
WFP
227,922 (27.68%)
IND
140,207 (17.06%)
WEP
41,154 (4.96%)
Wendy Long
CON
247,789 (30.11%)
REF
16,457 (2.00%)
Robin Laverne Wilson
GRN
102,479 (12.45%)
Alex Merced
LBT
43,944 (5.31%)
Write-in
345,570 (.43%)
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