Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Tayya, Jan 19, 2012.
@BigVic : I doubt the Libertarians would get 8.5% against Biden and Rubio.
The Willkie 1940 victory map.
Wendell Willkie/Charles McNary-Republican: 298 EV 48.27%
Franklin Delano Roosevelt/Henry Wallace-Democratic: 233 EV 51.22%
I was bored and decided to see what would happen if Carly Fiorina did 20% better in Iowa
From my vignette https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/rather-be-a-free-citizen-a-vignette.403952/
The basemap is originally from VT45
Iowa and New Hampshire certainly know which side their bread is buttered on. And given how elections tend to bundle their ballots together, I imagine he/she would get over a dozen Senators and over a hundred Representatives.
Forgotten No More: United States Presidential Election, 1888
The volatile nature of the electorate was seemingly poised to continue in 1888. The 1886 Midterms had done little to end the gridlock in the capital, and coming into 1888 many people were fearful of more gridlock, or even a hung electoral college and a Congress to divided to select a winner. In truth, many feared that the 1888 election would, if that occurred, be a danger to the countries electoral process entirely. It's under this pretext that the parties met to select their nominees that Spring and Summer, and a sense of urgency and need to appeal to the masses drew two of those parties to select outsiders.
The Workers Party ended up backing incumbent President David Knickerbocker, though many within the Convention argued Knickerbocker would be unable to persuade the masses to re-elect him. They feared he would be unable to excite them and instead reflect the gridlock of the last few years. To many in the party, Knickerbocker's list of successes were too short. Yet, the President did not relent, and eventually he would be renominated against the protest of even former President Benjamin Whipple. Knickerbocker felt there was much work left to be done, and he was right, his agenda had proved unable to pass in it's entirety and he was determined to see it through. Surely, the President thought, the electorate supported his calls for child labor reform, no? Surely the good Christian men of this country would follow his steady hand!
Unfortunately for the Workers Party, the doubters within their ranks were proven right.
Contrary to the Workers, both the Federalist Party and the Liberal Reform Party would nominate outsiders in hopes of blowing up the system. The Liberal Reformers ended up abandoning their party loyal and nominating Independent Senator Samuel Levi of Rhode Island, a former Worker, and a Jew. His nomination took the Convention by surprise and almost didn't occur. Once he walked in and began arguing he could bring in the votes a sense of hope emerged amongst many... and a sense of loss amongst many others. Levi appearance at the Convention quickly materialized into two groups: those wanting to make a statement and convinced Levi would be the guy to do that, and those that felt nominating Levi would be political suicide. This split resulted in one camp supporting the Rhode Island Senator and the other backing Governor Roosevelt of New York. Roosevelt was a party faithful, a popular national figure, and one that was poised to make the Liberal cause for 1888 one of attacking monopolies and the National Bank, attacking both the greedy and deceptive rich, and the greedy and deceptive, non-secular government, which Roosevelt felt went hand in hand. So great was the divide that Roosevelt's campaign threatened running a separate ticket, but after Levi accepted Farwell as his VP, Roosevelt calmed the doubters and urged them to have faith in their nominee.
Like the Workers Party, the doubters within the Liberal ranks were proven right.
Ultimately it would be the Natural Party of Government, the oldest political organization in the nations history, who would come out on top on the back of their own outsider nominee, General George Armstrong Custer. The Meeting of American Federalists that took place in 1888 was actually the longest Convention of the three major parties, and similarly to the Liberal fears that Custer would be a disaster for the parties chances, a large opposition began to form as Custer grew in popularity. The Federalists were reeling, having down graded to third in the House during the 1886 Midterms. The Conservatives in the party were convinced that the Party must adopt the ideals of former Vice-President Bayard, who himself became the strongest challenger to the wild General. When Custer won the nomination on the 47th ballot, he quickly met with Bayard's camp and promised to support Saulsbury, a noted Conservative Federalist as his VP, while also assuring the party that Saulsbury would be in charge of legislative issues.
After the Convention, Custer began his campaign of common sense governance. Not governance of God, like the Workers wanted, or governance of radicalism, like the Liberals wanted. Custer promised to not destroy the National Bank, much to the happiness of his party base, while promising on focusing on real issues: like the loss of American territory under Knickerbocker; like the plight of free peoples in Brazil; like the continued assaults by the armed and dangerous Metis in the Frontier, amongst other native groups. This final point became crucial for Knickerbocker, breaking away at the Worker wall in the northern west. Knickerbocker's base was completely assaulted and he failed to convince them his agenda was one that reflected them. The President was repudiated in Worker strongholds like Superior, Wisconsin and even Platte. Meanwhile, Levi's Jewish faith and insistence on campaigning on the same tried (and failed) platform of focusing on minority civil liberties, would see the Liberal Reform Party garner zero electoral votes. Levi would only win two states, West Yazoo and South Carolina, under the American Party banner. The Workers were left stunned, promising to nominate more capable leaders in the future, with religious leaders becoming discredited when it comes to running a nation. The Liberals were left even worse, their Party threatened with death as the original American Party had died.
And the Federalists, like so many times in the past, roared back into power with a force of will unmatched by any party since the Republicans.
George Armstrong Custer (Federalist-Ohio)/Eli May Saulsbury (Federalist-Delaware) 337 EVs; 42.97% PV
David Buel Knickerbocker (Workers-Minnesota)/Edward Cooper (Workers-New York) 56 EVs; 29.32% PV
Samuel Levi (No Party Affiliation)/Benjamin Sterling Turner (American-East Yazoo) 12 EVs; 5.6% PV
Samuel Levi (No Party Affiliation)/Charles Benjamin Farwell (Liberal Reform-Washington) 0 EVs; 19.3% PV
David Buel Knickerbocker (Workers-Minnesota)/John Pierce St. John (Prohibition-Franklin) 0 EVs; 2.81% PV
More maps to come soon
Who wins? What is the percentages?
Im doing an alternate election night where hillary win the popular vote that she would of if the final polls were like the ones shown in late march
lets say she crushes donald trump in the debates and trump gets a negative bounce from the convention and He picks someone crazy like Newt Gingrich or Rudy Giuliani and Clinton pick Warren Or Sanders
5:48: "As we said the first polls will close in Kentucky,Indiana in about 12 minutes although they will not close across the entire state"
6:00: "We are ready to project Indiana and Kentucky for Donald Trump even though they have not fully reported"
7:01 "We have had poll closings in Florida,Georgia,Virginia,Vermont and South Carolina. We can project Florida for Hillary Clinton. Virginia Hillary Clinton and Vermont for Hillary Clinton in Georgia it is too close too call But Hillary has a lead. And South Carolina too close to call but Donald Trump has a lead."
"Wow we did not expect to call Virginia and Florida this early"
7:26 "We Can now project South Carolina for Trump"
7:30 "We've had 3 poll closings in Ohio,North Carolina and West Virginia. The only state we can project is West Virginia for Donald Trump. Ohio North Carolina are Too close to call but Hillary Has a Lead in both"
7:54: "Hillary Clinton has done what she has not done up until now and that is flip a red state Georgia goes for Clinton"
8:02: "Its 8pm and We have had a bunch of poll closings and we start in Alabama goes for Trump. Connecticut Goes for Clinton. Delaware goes for Clinton. The District of Columbia goes for Clinton. Illinois Goes for Clinton. Kansas Goes For Trump. Maryland Goes For Clinton. Massachusetts goes for Clinton. Michigan goes for Clinton. Missouri goes for Trump. Mississippi goes for Trump. New Hampshire goes for Clinton. New Jersey goes for Clinton. Oklahoma goes for Trump. Pennsylvania goes for Clinton. Rhode Island for Clinton. South Dakota goes for Trump and Tennessee goes for Clinton Texas Is too close to call but Clinton Has a lead."
"Wait have you got that wrong"
"No Clinton is leading in texas"
"lets talk about the electoral vote tallies"
Too Close To call: 71
Not Closed: 205
8:05: "We can now call North Carolina for Clinton"
8:21: "Ohio we can now call for Clinton"
"thats an incredibly bad sign for trump"
8:30: "Arkansas has closed and we can call it for Trump"
"Clinton just needs to win Texas which she is leading in and its all over"
9:00 "It's 9:00 and we can project That Hillary Clinton Will be the 45th President"
9:02: "We can now project Texas for Clinton"
9:18: "We will like to project Hillary Clinton The Winner Of Arizona and Nebraska's second congressional district"
9:39 "ive just got news that Donald Trump has arrived at campaign Hq
9:43: Trump Graciously concedes
10:00: "we have a some poll closings.Nevada goes for Clinton. Utah Goes for Trump. Idaho goes for trump. Montana Goes for trump. Iowa is too close to call."
10:53: "Iowa Goes for Clinton"
"Without california Hillary has outperformed Obama Electorally"
11:01: "More poll closings all for clinton. California,Oregon,Washington and Hawaii pushing clinton over 400 electoral votes. That hasn't happened since 1964 a Democrat winning more than 400 electoral votes. last time it happened overall was 1988. she has also overperformed her husband in 1996 "
1:01am: "Alaska is too close too call at this hour"
1:23 our final electoral vote tally for 2016 is
Hillary Clinton: 413
Donald Trump: 125
Why doesn't Clinton win Missouri and SC?
Missouri might be a semi-legit question if she wins Texas, but SC is hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ted Cruz 22.64% 12
Carly Fiorina 21.86% 12
Donald Trump 19.30% 10
Marco Rubio 18.12% 10
Ben Carson 4.30% 2
Rand Paul 4.54% 2
Jeb Bush 2.80% 1
John Kasich 1.86%
Mike Huckabee 1.79%
Chris Christie 1.76%
its based of hillary wining the popular vote by 9.6 and putting those results into the acual results.
kinda like a swingometer
SC was closer than MO
Also if people want a larger version
So I finally decided to do my home state here as the fourth installment in my series of alternate state elections.
New Jersey is one of the nation's most ethnically diverse states and it is equally diverse in terms of politics. While the state is dominated by the typical Labor vs Republican battle, to the South the Democrats hold strongholds that date back to the 50s and in the North a variety of ethnic groups have their own political parties. Finally in the middle of it all are the Greens which the up and coming political party for younger voters and affluent left-wingers.
Ever a swing state, the past three administrations had not lasted more than two terms at most, and this year's election would prove this rule once again. Mary Guadagno, a former investment banker and lifelong Republican was elected into office in 2012, easily defeating Douglas Abelow. She won that election by record margins, due mostly to Abelow having been Labor's replacement for governor Jon Goldman, the former hedgefund manager who was arrested in 2011 for being complicit in a Ponzi scheme that stole millions of dollars from New Jerseyans in the Second Great Depression. However it would not be long before Guadagno became embroiled in a scandal of her own, Tunnelgate, wherein her administration was accused of closing the crucial Jersey City tunnel as political punishment to its Labor mayor. The investigation into the scandal ultimately cleared her of all wrongdoing, however as the Jersey Supreme Court has been known to be easily paid off and suspicions still run high.
However, unseen by the Labor party were the Social Creds, which had entered into the Nationalist Alliance with the Democrats, promising not to run in their districts in return for the Democrats not running in the more urban districts. With the social credits going from just one seat to four, 2016 turned out to be a good year for the Nationalist Alliance. With Labor being a whole 17 seats short of a majority they were left with no choice but to enter into an unlikely alliance with the nationalists as well as asian action, putting aside their disagreements over immigration and civil rights for the need to rebuild the state's crumbling infrastructure.
Labor - One of New Jersey's two major parties, their support is based mainly in the greater New York metro area as well as that of Philadelphia. Thanks to the increase in immigration throughout the state their membership has been swelling in recent years, however the existence of ethnic parties prevents them from achieving anything close to a majority.
Asian Action - A party designed to serve the interests of Chinese Americans, their position as part of the government coalition has been their first time in power in this state, thanks to their very inoffensive positions and willingness to cooperate with all sides.
Nationalist Alliance - Composed of both the Social Credit party and the Democratic party, they took Southern Jersey by storm, going from 7 Democratic seats and 1 Social Credit seat to 12 Democratic and 4 Social Credit in just 2 years. With both parties being lead by their bullish state leader, Chris Christie, they have a strong future ahead of them working with the Labor party.
Republicans - The other major party in New Jersey, their support is based mainly in the Southern Central and Northwestern parts of the state. However in their stronghold Northeastern districts they have lost seats to both the Constitution party and the Green party, as more and more people see through the Grand Old Party's corruption.
Greens - A party with their base in the Raritan valley and its colleges, their blend of radical social liberalism with centrist economies has found popularity among idealist students and futurist yuppies alike.
Hispanos Unidos - A party of more centrist minded hispanics they remain to the champion of hispanic issues in terms of discrimination and opposition to the high tax rates proposed by Labor politicians.
Black Panther party - Radical leftists that came to prominence as a protest of police brutality, they have gained a number of seats in the inner cities of Northeastern Jersey.
Constitutionists - Far right wingers who see all government as bad except when it comes to religion, their support is very limited in the densely populated state, however they have recently gained a seat in Sussex county, a testament to their growing influence nationwide.
Cubanos Conservadores - A right wing party for cubans, they exists only in three states, New Jersey, New York, and their base of East Florida.
Great stuff, but why is Ocean County so Democratic? To someone who knows virtually nothing of New Jersey politics, it seems very random.
EDIT: Also, surely conservadores as opposed to conservativos?
The Democrats are a conservative party in that universe.
Yeah, but why them and not the GOP?
In the early stages of OTL's current two-party system, the Democrats were conservative and the GOP was liberal. Since the switch between them was relatively recent, butterflies mean that the switched never occurred ITTL.
@MoralisticCommunist What's the ideology of the Social Credit Party?
Separate names with a comma.