Alternate Electoral Maps II
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Election 2020 with Trump as 3rd party nominee (Hillary POTUS)
Kasich sweeps all of the Rust Belt (exept IL) but Trump performs well in the South and snatches Alabama and Mississipi thanks to Sessions on the ticket. Trump/Sessions would've been an excellent 3rd party Indepdendent ticket as an alternative to the moderate Kasich/Rubio ticket on the GOP.
Fmr. Gov John Kasich(R-OH)/Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 301 (44.6%)
Pres. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/VP. Tim Kaine (D-VA) 222 (45.4%)
Mr. Donald Trump (I/R-NY) Sen. Jeff Sessions (I/R-AL) 15 (6.0%)
Fmr. Gov. William Weld (L-MA)/Mr. Larry Sharpe (L-NY) 0 (1.3%)
Dr. Jill Stein (G-MA)/Mr. Ajamu Baraka (G-IL) 0 (2.1%)
While I mostly am fine with this map, I would give Trump Arkansas and Louisiana for a Thurmond style map. That would be 29 electoral votes.
The person who posted the map is probably not a time-traveler, so the actual result will most likely be different in at least some way, making the map an alternate map.
Election 2020 with Trump as 3rd party nominee (Hillary POTUS)
Kasich sweeps all of the Rust Belt (exept IL) but Trump performs well in the South and snatches Alabama and Mississipi thanks to Sessions on the ticket. Trump/Sessions would've been an excellent 3rd party Indepdendent ticket as an alternative to the moderate Kasich/Rubio ticket on the GOP.
Fmr. Gov John Kasich(R-OH)/Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 301 (44.6%)
Pres. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/VP. Tim Kaine (D-VA) 222 (45.4%)
Mr. Donald Trump (I/R-NY) Sen. Jeff Sessions (I/R-AL) 15 (6.0%)
Fmr. Gov. William Weld (L-MA)/Mr. Larry Sharpe (L-NY) 0 (1.3%)
Dr. Jill Stein (G-MA)/Mr. Ajamu Baraka (G-IL) 0 (2.1%)
Deep south would be blue in such scenario since all black people would vote D and white vote would be split.
The rule doesn't exist to encourage "accurate" predictive results; it exists to discourage discussion of current politics because such discussions have a tendency to cause unwanted arguments. It doesn't matter that the map will not be the same as the final primary map, what matters is that it's touching on a current political issue in a place where that is not allowed.
The premise for this is that the American Continent is reversed (East Coast becomes West Coast). The scenario is very ASB
You know, I was actually wondering about a scenario like this, where the colonists end up in California and have to expand westward through hot deserts and mountains before reaching the plains...
A few elections from Forgotten No More:
United States Presidential Election of 1946
After the end of the Second Great War, the Workers Party and the nation was dominated by isolationism. President Upton Sinclair had created the American Medicare Program also known as AMC, however it did not cover every single American as he intended. Instead, the program mostly covered the old and disabled. His partisan successor, Earl Kemp Long, ran and won on a campaign that mixed isolationism (which Sinclair considered dangerous considering the worldly circumstances) and creating a true, single-payer health system. The Federalists, on the other hand, chose to run a ticket led by Theodore Roosevelt III, the 1940 VP nominee. Roosevelt called for isolationism in the form of raising tariffs, and outwardly opposed the liberal branch of his party which called for investment in the rebuilding of Western Europe. Ultimately, Earl Long would win the election on the first ballot, taking 50.7% of the vote, ushering in a different era as peace spread across the world.
Earl K. Long (W-WF)/John W. McCormack (W-MA) - 50.7%
Theodore Roosevelt III (F-NY)/Mackenzie Hubert (F-HU)* - 41.3%
Other - 8%
United States Presidential Election of 1952
President Long had been a divisive figure. His isolationism came at the immediate moment when America could perhaps flex it's muscle the most in Western Europe. Under Long's leadership, the US was the first nation to withdraw from it's zone of reconstruction in France. At home, Long spent the entirety of his presidency fighting for the passage of universal health care, but would be unable to see such measures pass. The liberal wing of the Federalists led that party to victories in the 1948 and 1950 midterms arguing that Long's attitude toward Europe would allow Eurasia to "consume the world." Then, under pressure of possible war, Long agreed to transfer Kamchatka back to Eurasia in 1951 - a move that would be unilaterally vetoed by the Senate with a supermajority of the vote. The issue caused significant damage internationally between Eurasia and the United States. The Federalists nominated a stalwart of the liberal branch and a disciple of former President Butler, Earl Warren, Governor of Columbia. Warren wanted the United States to shift course - he wanted to establish a global PanAm, a true vehicle for peace, at least thats what he argued for. The Workers nominated Governor Olin Johnston of South Carolina, known for his progressive racial views (ITTL) and paired him with a Workers elder statesman, Sam Rayburn of Ward, in their attempt to hold the Presidency. But Warren was a popular name, connected to the Butler and De Priest presidencies through his roles in the Cabinets. With the attempted "sale" of Kamchatka fresh in the peoples mind, Warren took the victory by a large margin in the first ballot.
Earl Warren (F-CO)/Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (F-MA) - 55.8%
Otis D. Johnston (W-SC)/Samuel T. Rayburn (W-WD) - 36.9%
Other - 7.3%
United States Presidential Election of 1958
Earl Warren was elected by nearly 20 percentage points over his closest competitor, bringing with him a Federalist mandate to Union City. Warren is best known for bringing the United States into the Greater Society of Nations (GSN) (PanAm was subsumed as the Pan-American Conference within the GSN), cementing that international organization as one of the central pillars of world diplomacy. Despite the early gesture, the Warren presidency was marked by worsening relations with the Eurasian Union. Warren refused to re-engage in negotiations for the sale of the Kamchatka Territory, which had floundered in the Senate during the Long Presidency. Even as the Eurasian Union and the United States were both key members of the GSN, relations continued to sour throughout the 50s. This atmosphere worked perfectly for Vice-President Kennedy, a hero of the Second Great War and decades long member of the party's modern liberal branch, as he effectively won the Federalist nomination. The Workers opted for a Midwesterner after the failure of the 1952 Johnston campaign. Kennedy's Catholic faith became a point of contention amongst the more christocratic forces across the rural parts of the country, but Senator MacDonald of Huron did not weaponize the Vice-President's religion, leading to considerable applaud from most commentators. Vice-President Kennedy failed to win the election on the first ballot, marking the first run-off in twelve years. The re-organization of the dying Christian Peoples Party, the Truth & Light Party and various other populist, somewhat militant organizations across the frontier as the American Faith Initiative (AFI) drew an unexpected amount of support. In the end, however, the run-off was Kennedy versus MacDonald, Federalist versus Workers, as it had been since the 1880s.
Kennedy would ultimately win the run-off behind youthful charm and overall star power. He portrayed himself as a jack of all trades, an experienced politician and a war hero. Kennedy reminded his followers that he was a man of faith and wouldn't stand any increase of marxism - the cruel extreme of equalism, he thought - in the United States. Likewise, his faith was looked down upon by the most christocratic of society, a card he played to trumpet that he was a social liberal candidate - a necessity in the post-Butler world. Kennedy's selection of family ally Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin proved a turning point, McCarthy ratcheting up the anti-marxist and anti-Eurasian rhetoric substantially just as relations soured with the aforementioned nation.
MacDonald was likable enough, but couldn't compete with the overall star power of Kennedy, and refused to weaponize his religion in the general or run-off campaigns.
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (F-MA)/Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI) - 44.6% PV
Donald C. MacDonald (W-HU)/Claude Pepper (W-EF) - 33.7% PV
Niles H. Garfield (AFI-UT)/Hilbert Marston (AFI-WI) - 16.1% PV
Other - 5.6% PV
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (F-MA)/Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI) - 55.1% PV
Donald C. MacDonald (W-HU)/Claude Pepper (W-EF) - 44.9% PV
United States Presidential Election of 1964
The Kennedy Presidency was many things and in modern times, most either love the man, or hate him. His administration oversaw the Red Scare, along with the deeply divisive Brazilian War and the National Draft instituted to fight in it. As Brazil plunged into civil war, Kennedy oversaw gradual US involvement (1959) before seeing full-scale US troop deployments starting in 1960. Despite the Presidents attempts to portray himself as an "everyman reformer" the dialogue around his Presidency became centered on the war effort. PanAm as a whole voted against engaging since the war was considered a civil conflict, presenting a blow to Kennedy; the war quickly became a proxy engagement between the Bolivarian Socialist Republic of Tawantinsuyu and the United States at that point. By 1962 the failing Brazilian government was asking (read:begging) for further assistance, and Kennedy called for a national draft, determined to send a message to marxist forces in the Americas (and to the Eurasian Union) that the United States was watching.
Domestically, Vice-President McCarthy became a liability, becoming prominent across national televisions for instigating various investigations against 'marxist subversives' within the country. The Vice-President most prominently called for an investigation into the National Broadcasting Network (the federal broadcasting service) saying it had fallen to Eurasian and marxist sabotage. The President began distancing himself his Vice-President as his popularity continued to dip. As the 1964 elections neared, President Kennedy had become a divisive figure.
Capitalizing on the state of the nation was Vice-President McCarthy, who muscled his way toward the Federalist nomination in 1964 despite attempts by the Party Establishment to block him. McCarthy called for an aggressive continuation of the war in Brazil and a greater emphasis on protecting the US at home from 'marxist efforts to destroy the Union.'
Opposite of him stood the Workers, who saw the nomination go to a rather unexpected figure: Michael Joseph Mansfield, the governor of Ward. The Governors platform called for peace in Brazil and for the adoption of a 'peaceful internationalism' that meant not getting involved in the domestic affairs of other nations. Mansfield called for an end of the highly unpopular draft.
The first live televised Presidential debate in US history occurred during the 1964 election. During the debate, McCarthy closed his remarks with a rambling call to arms against 'enemies foreign and domestic,' which audiences said made the Vice-President seem "unhinged." On the other hand, Mansfield's remarks following McCarthy were incredibly received and his debate performance is said to have won him the election. "The Federalist Party sends American boys to war," Mansfield said, looking directly at the camera at the end of his closing remarks, "This November, vote for the Party that brings them home."
Mansfield won a plurality on the first ballot, just barely missing a majority by a slim margin. Perhaps as a consequence of McCarthy's Red Scare campaign, the American Marxist Party won a plurality for the first time in it's history (Rhode Island). In the run-off, despite Vice-President McCarthy ratcheting up his campaign's rhetoric ("A New Low For The Federalists" read the New York Inquirer) Mansfield won overwhelmingly.
Michael J. Mansfield (W-WD)/Benjamin M. Spock (W-CT) - 47.1% PV
Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI)/Peter H.B. Frelinghuysen II (F-NJ) - 31.9% PV
Edward J. Pence (AFI-IN)/Niles H. Garfield* (AFI-UT) - 11.3% PV
Other - 9.7% PV
Michael J. Mansfield (W-WD)/Benjamin M. Spock (W-CT) - 60.7% PV
Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI)/Peter H.B. Frelinghuysen II (F-NJ) - 39.3% PV
United States Presidential Election of 1946
After the end of the Second Great War, the Workers Party and the nation was dominated by isolationism. President Upton Sinclair had created the American Medicare Program also known as AMC, however it did not cover every single American as he intended. Instead, the program mostly covered the old and disabled. His partisan successor, Earl Kemp Long, ran and won on a campaign that mixed isolationism (which Sinclair considered dangerous considering the worldly circumstances) and creating a true, single-payer health system. The Federalists, on the other hand, chose to run a ticket led by Theodore Roosevelt III, the 1940 VP nominee. Roosevelt called for isolationism in the form of raising tariffs, and outwardly opposed the liberal branch of his party which called for investment in the rebuilding of Western Europe. Ultimately, Earl Long would win the election on the first ballot, taking 50.7% of the vote, ushering in a different era as peace spread across the world.
Earl K. Long (W-WF)/John W. McCormack (W-MA) - 50.7%
Theodore Roosevelt III (F-NY)/Mackenzie Hubert (F-HU)* - 41.3%
Other - 8%
President Long had been a divisive figure. His isolationism came at the immediate moment when America could perhaps flex it's muscle the most in Western Europe. Under Long's leadership, the US was the first nation to withdraw from it's zone of reconstruction in France. At home, Long spent the entirety of his presidency fighting for the passage of universal health care, but would be unable to see such measures pass. The liberal wing of the Federalists led that party to victories in the 1948 and 1950 midterms arguing that Long's attitude toward Europe would allow Eurasia to "consume the world." Then, under pressure of possible war, Long agreed to transfer Kamchatka back to Eurasia in 1951 - a move that would be unilaterally vetoed by the Senate with a supermajority of the vote. The issue caused significant damage internationally between Eurasia and the United States. The Federalists nominated a stalwart of the liberal branch and a disciple of former President Butler, Earl Warren, Governor of Columbia. Warren wanted the United States to shift course - he wanted to establish a global PanAm, a true vehicle for peace, at least thats what he argued for. The Workers nominated Governor Olin Johnston of South Carolina, known for his progressive racial views (ITTL) and paired him with a Workers elder statesman, Sam Rayburn of Ward, in their attempt to hold the Presidency. But Warren was a popular name, connected to the Butler and De Priest presidencies through his roles in the Cabinets. With the attempted "sale" of Kamchatka fresh in the peoples mind, Warren took the victory by a large margin in the first ballot.
Earl Warren (F-CO)/Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (F-MA) - 55.8%
Otis D. Johnston (W-SC)/Samuel T. Rayburn (W-WD) - 36.9%
Other - 7.3%
United States Presidential Election of 1958
Earl Warren was elected by nearly 20 percentage points over his closest competitor, bringing with him a Federalist mandate to Union City. Warren is best known for bringing the United States into the Greater Society of Nations (GSN) (PanAm was subsumed as the Pan-American Conference within the GSN), cementing that international organization as one of the central pillars of world diplomacy. Despite the early gesture, the Warren presidency was marked by worsening relations with the Eurasian Union. Warren refused to re-engage in negotiations for the sale of the Kamchatka Territory, which had floundered in the Senate during the Long Presidency. Even as the Eurasian Union and the United States were both key members of the GSN, relations continued to sour throughout the 50s. This atmosphere worked perfectly for Vice-President Kennedy, a hero of the Second Great War and decades long member of the party's modern liberal branch, as he effectively won the Federalist nomination. The Workers opted for a Midwesterner after the failure of the 1952 Johnston campaign. Kennedy's Catholic faith became a point of contention amongst the more christocratic forces across the rural parts of the country, but Senator MacDonald of Huron did not weaponize the Vice-President's religion, leading to considerable applaud from most commentators. Vice-President Kennedy failed to win the election on the first ballot, marking the first run-off in twelve years. The re-organization of the dying Christian Peoples Party, the Truth & Light Party and various other populist, somewhat militant organizations across the frontier as the American Faith Initiative (AFI) drew an unexpected amount of support. In the end, however, the run-off was Kennedy versus MacDonald, Federalist versus Workers, as it had been since the 1880s.
Kennedy would ultimately win the run-off behind youthful charm and overall star power. He portrayed himself as a jack of all trades, an experienced politician and a war hero. Kennedy reminded his followers that he was a man of faith and wouldn't stand any increase of marxism - the cruel extreme of equalism, he thought - in the United States. Likewise, his faith was looked down upon by the most christocratic of society, a card he played to trumpet that he was a social liberal candidate - a necessity in the post-Butler world. Kennedy's selection of family ally Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin proved a turning point, McCarthy ratcheting up the anti-marxist and anti-Eurasian rhetoric substantially just as relations soured with the aforementioned nation.
MacDonald was likable enough, but couldn't compete with the overall star power of Kennedy, and refused to weaponize his religion in the general or run-off campaigns.
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (F-MA)/Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI) - 44.6% PV
Donald C. MacDonald (W-HU)/Claude Pepper (W-EF) - 33.7% PV
Niles H. Garfield (AFI-UT)/Hilbert Marston (AFI-WI) - 16.1% PV
Other - 5.6% PV
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (F-MA)/Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI) - 55.1% PV
Donald C. MacDonald (W-HU)/Claude Pepper (W-EF) - 44.9% PV
The Kennedy Presidency was many things and in modern times, most either love the man, or hate him. His administration oversaw the Red Scare, along with the deeply divisive Brazilian War and the National Draft instituted to fight in it. As Brazil plunged into civil war, Kennedy oversaw gradual US involvement (1959) before seeing full-scale US troop deployments starting in 1960. Despite the Presidents attempts to portray himself as an "everyman reformer" the dialogue around his Presidency became centered on the war effort. PanAm as a whole voted against engaging since the war was considered a civil conflict, presenting a blow to Kennedy; the war quickly became a proxy engagement between the Bolivarian Socialist Republic of Tawantinsuyu and the United States at that point. By 1962 the failing Brazilian government was asking (read:begging) for further assistance, and Kennedy called for a national draft, determined to send a message to marxist forces in the Americas (and to the Eurasian Union) that the United States was watching.
Domestically, Vice-President McCarthy became a liability, becoming prominent across national televisions for instigating various investigations against 'marxist subversives' within the country. The Vice-President most prominently called for an investigation into the National Broadcasting Network (the federal broadcasting service) saying it had fallen to Eurasian and marxist sabotage. The President began distancing himself his Vice-President as his popularity continued to dip. As the 1964 elections neared, President Kennedy had become a divisive figure.
Capitalizing on the state of the nation was Vice-President McCarthy, who muscled his way toward the Federalist nomination in 1964 despite attempts by the Party Establishment to block him. McCarthy called for an aggressive continuation of the war in Brazil and a greater emphasis on protecting the US at home from 'marxist efforts to destroy the Union.'
Opposite of him stood the Workers, who saw the nomination go to a rather unexpected figure: Michael Joseph Mansfield, the governor of Ward. The Governors platform called for peace in Brazil and for the adoption of a 'peaceful internationalism' that meant not getting involved in the domestic affairs of other nations. Mansfield called for an end of the highly unpopular draft.
The first live televised Presidential debate in US history occurred during the 1964 election. During the debate, McCarthy closed his remarks with a rambling call to arms against 'enemies foreign and domestic,' which audiences said made the Vice-President seem "unhinged." On the other hand, Mansfield's remarks following McCarthy were incredibly received and his debate performance is said to have won him the election. "The Federalist Party sends American boys to war," Mansfield said, looking directly at the camera at the end of his closing remarks, "This November, vote for the Party that brings them home."
Mansfield won a plurality on the first ballot, just barely missing a majority by a slim margin. Perhaps as a consequence of McCarthy's Red Scare campaign, the American Marxist Party won a plurality for the first time in it's history (Rhode Island). In the run-off, despite Vice-President McCarthy ratcheting up his campaign's rhetoric ("A New Low For The Federalists" read the New York Inquirer) Mansfield won overwhelmingly.
Michael J. Mansfield (W-WD)/Benjamin M. Spock (W-CT) - 47.1% PV
Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI)/Peter H.B. Frelinghuysen II (F-NJ) - 31.9% PV
Edward J. Pence (AFI-IN)/Niles H. Garfield* (AFI-UT) - 11.3% PV
Other - 9.7% PV
Michael J. Mansfield (W-WD)/Benjamin M. Spock (W-CT) - 60.7% PV
Joseph R. McCarthy (F-WI)/Peter H.B. Frelinghuysen II (F-NJ) - 39.3% PV
Senator Harvey B. Gantt (DEM-NC)/Senator Bill Bradley (DEM-NJ) [-]
def. President H. Ross Perot (GOP-TX)/Governor W. Val Oveson (GOP-UT) [#]
def. Vice President Lincoln Chafee (IRP-RI)/Former Governor Frank Fasi (IRP-HI) [:]
def. Vice President Lincoln Chafee (IRP-RI)/Former Governor Frank Fasi (IRP-HI) [:]
That's actually really cool. Reminds me of that one old election game. I forgot what it's called.
Do you misspell Sam Houston for CU Party in 1860? If so, I think he would also win Tennessee, as Tennessee voted for CU in OTL, and Houston was governor of TN.
How did you make that map?
Senator Harvey B. Gantt (DEM-NC)/Senator Bill Bradley (DEM-NJ) [-]
def. President H. Ross Perot (GOP-TX)/Governor W. Val Oveson (GOP-UT) [#]
def. Vice President Lincoln Chafee (IRP-RI)/Former Governor Frank Fasi (IRP-HI) [:]
Step 1: Upload a map of the US into Inkscape.
Step 2: Trace over it with ASCII art using the text tool.
Step 3: Copy the ASCII art over into Notepad or something similar, and replace the spaces and underscores with the relevant characters.
Step 4: Copy the result of that into a textbox in Inkscape of the same formatting, and put the latter on top of the first map.
Step 5: Delete the basemap.
Building upon the Ford Scenario which I made here (https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ectoral-maps-ii.417468/page-362#post-18048109), here's a clickable map of the 1976 election results by state: https://createaclickablemap.com/map...width="900" height="525" style="border: none;.
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