Alternate Countries With Manifest Destiny?

Kangaroo meat soup with Chinese noodles? ;)

Certainly. Kangaroo is very tasty and can probably be mixed with lots of stuff.

But perhaps more important is the impact on Chinese traditional medicine.

How exactly do you get Japan out of isolationism, though?

You make sure there is no need for isolation to begin with. An eternal Heian era, or at least, any military government in Japan finds a need to direct tensions outwards. Japan's isolationism is solely a product of the Tokugawa dynasty (and not even the original Tokugawa). I think there's a potential for Japanese meeting Cossacks on the Lena River, with the Sakha people in the middle of things acting as either an ally or more people to be suppressed and conquered.
 
I dont know why Canada hasn't been mentioned as a country that actually did have a manifest destiny ideology.

But you could see a greater Iran Manifest Destiny between WWI and 1948. If Iran had played their cards right they could have incorporated many of the psuedo-Iranian populations such as Kurdistan, Armenia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Baluchistan, and even made a play to incorporate Shi'ite southern Iraq and Muslim India.
 
Egypt expands further into the Nile basin, from Ethiopia to Uganda, eventually conquering Somalia and the Swahili coast as well.
 

CaliGuy

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I dont know why Canada hasn't been mentioned as a country that actually did have a manifest destiny ideology.

Yes, it certainly did. :)

But you could see a greater Iran Manifest Destiny between WWI and 1948. If Iran had played their cards right they could have incorporated many of the psuedo-Iranian populations such as Kurdistan, Armenia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Baluchistan, and even made a play to incorporate Shi'ite southern Iraq and Muslim India.

Would a Persian entry into WWI on the side of the Entente help with this?
 

CaliGuy

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Certainly. Kangaroo is very tasty and can probably be mixed with lots of stuff.

But perhaps more important is the impact on Chinese traditional medicine.

Can you please elaborate on the traditional medicine part, please?

You make sure there is no need for isolation to begin with. An eternal Heian era, or at least, any military government in Japan finds a need to direct tensions outwards. Japan's isolationism is solely a product of the Tokugawa dynasty (and not even the original Tokugawa).

Can you please elaborate on your last sentence here?

I think there's a potential for Japanese meeting Cossacks on the Lena River, with the Sakha people in the middle of things acting as either an ally or more people to be suppressed and conquered.

OK; also, though, how many Japanese people would actually want to settle in Siberia in this TL?
 
Where else could we see massive population movements similar to those such as the U.S.'s Manifest Destiny or Russia's settlement of Siberia and Northern Kazakhstan?

Any thoughts on this?
Perhaps a Baltic or west Slavic nation, I had the idea
Of Mexico wanting to extend passed its coast, it made me laugh.
 
When exactly are you thinking of here?

It's not as ASB as it sounds like, it can be achieved as late as the 1860's.

Just Modernize Egypt enough to be accepted as a pair during the scramble for Africa, make its army more modern (and lucky) to annex Ethiopia during the war and make the Khedive finance the discovery of the Nile source. Definitely not impossible, v. OTL map:
681px-Egypt_under_Muhammad_Ali_Dynasty_map_en.png
 

CaliGuy

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It's not as ASB as it sounds like, it can be achieved as late as the 1860's.

Just Modernize Egypt enough to be accepted as a pair during the scramble for Africa, make its army more modern (and lucky) to annex Ethiopia during the war and make the Khedive finance the discovery of the Nile source. Definitely not impossible, v. OTL map:
681px-Egypt_under_Muhammad_Ali_Dynasty_map_en.png
Wouldn't an annexation of Ethiopia be difficult considering that even Italy failed to do this, though?
 
Wouldn't an annexation of Ethiopia be difficult considering that even Italy failed to do this, though?

We often forget that the British lead a massively successful punitive mission against Ethiopia during the 1860's. The emperor committed suicide during the British invasion and Egypt could have played better with the local nobility when they invaded Ethiopia. Also, the Egyptians were severely outnumber during the the invasion.
 
We often forget that the British lead a massively successful punitive mission against Ethiopia during the 1860's. The emperor committed suicide during the British invasion and Egypt could have played better with the local nobility when they invaded Ethiopia. Also, the Egyptians were severely outnumber during the the invasion.

But defeating Ethiopia and actually conquering it are two different things. Ethiopia is located on some very mountainous terrain that makes invasion difficult, rather like Switzerland.
 
I dont know why Canada hasn't been mentioned as a country that actually did have a manifest destiny ideology.

But you could see a greater Iran Manifest Destiny between WWI and 1948. If Iran had played their cards right they could have incorporated many of the psuedo-Iranian populations such as Kurdistan, Armenia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Baluchistan, and even made a play to incorporate Shi'ite southern Iraq and Muslim India.

World War I might be a bit too late, but as late as the Qajar era, Iran could plausibly incorporate many of those regions.

Can you please elaborate on the traditional medicine part, please?



Can you please elaborate on your last sentence here?



OK; also, though, how many Japanese people would actually want to settle in Siberia in this TL?

Chinese traditional medicine (also practiced in countries influenced by China like Korea and Japan) has prized ingredients which Westerners like me consider strange. Nowadays, this infamously includes rhinoceros horn and other ingredients gained from endangered species. However, traditional Chinese medicine was always a constantly evolving discipline. If China had ready access to a continent with many new plants and animals, then practioners of traditional Chinese medicine would incorporate this knowledge. They did OTL with both Australia and the Americas as the horizons of the Chinese world were broadened, but I'm presuming this would occur both earlier, and with more Chinese, and Chinese as the dominant class, more intensely. If Australia was known to the Chinese earlier, then the relevant scholars would no doubt prize certain herbs or animal parts, maybe even moreso than OTL, and create a market for harvesting it in any country where people consider TCM useful.

By that I mean that Tokugawa Iemitsu was the one who instituted the Sakoku policy, Iemitsu being the 3rd shogun. Japan had a large trading network in Asia during the 16th century.

I see no reason why Japanese wouldn't want to settle in Siberia. Kamchatka has fine ports and trading opportunities with indigenous peoples, and the Lena basin is solid enough for agriculture, and further, can be exploited for the same reasons Russia exploited it--furs and whatever else to take from the locals. Same goes with all the territory between the coast and the Lena. It could be a place where Japanese, Chinese, and Russian influences combine (Russians were always trying to trade in Japan during the age of Sakoku). Agriculture, including subsistence agriculture, is very possible in most of Lena basin, and it's also rich in coal, gold, and other resources. Considering Japan's vast exportation of settlers OTL, I think Siberia offers plenty for the average Japanese peasant. The land involved would be, at minimum, Sakha, Magadan, Chukotka, and Kamchatka in modern Russia. I think much of Khabarovsk could easily be added.

Note that I'm not including Sakhalin because in this scenario Sakhalin would basically be another Home Island of Japan, no different than Hokkaido, as it very easily could have been as late as the 20th century.
 

CaliGuy

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We often forget that the British lead a massively successful punitive mission against Ethiopia during the 1860's. The emperor committed suicide during the British invasion and Egypt could have played better with the local nobility when they invaded Ethiopia. Also, the Egyptians were severely outnumber during the the invasion.
The Egyptians were severely outnumbered during which invasion?
 
But defeating Ethiopia and actually conquering it are two different things. Ethiopia is located on some very mountainous terrain that makes invasion difficult, rather like Switzerland.

True, but they can make it a protectorate. Also, Ethiopia was hardly an unified entity even within its historical borders (northern part of today's Ethiopia), we'll eventually have some semi autonomous Lesotho and Swaziland, pretty much like Russian Central Asia or even American Indian territories.

The Egyptians were severely outnumbered during which invasion?

During the Ethiopian-Egyptian War
 
The Spanish, Americans and Majapahit only wanted Northern Luzon because it makes a strategic military base not because it is a good colony, the chinese view the area nothing but a wasteland rock..

The Chinese would vassalize Southern Luzon and Central Philippines as a pseudo-colony..
 
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