Alternate Colonial West Africa

Is it possible to have West Africa(that at least contained Mali, Senegal, Guinea, Burkina Faso and Ivory Coast)to be subdued a European country that is NOT France, by PoD no earlier than 1799 ?
 
Why ?

Though I do prefer that it won't be Britain as they will be the most likely candidate in the absence of France anyway......
Geographical reasons. Spain and Portugal are nearer that region. Also, the Canaries could be used as an initial staging post for any colonial adbventure.
 
Geographical reasons. Spain and Portugal are nearer that region. Also, the Canaries could be used as an initial staging post for any colonial adbventure.

Good points. Would they have enough incentive and primarily the muscles to expand though ? The French did it as one of among the leading Industrial Powers IOTL after all. Perhaps a stronger Spain/Portugal can be achieved ?

Though, anymore candidates ?
 
Good points. Would they have enough incentive and primarily the muscles to expand though ? The French did it as one of among the leading Industrial Powers IOTL after all. Perhaps a stronger Spain/Portugal can be achieved ?

Though, anymore candidates ?

Besides Spain/Portugal and Britain, you could theoretically, by stretching logic, have an Ottoman colony with some sort of power there.
 
The Germans had a presence in West Africa spanning over a long period of time, from a few minor Prussian forts along the Gold Coast and Mauritania to German Togoland. Perhaps this could be expanded.

The Dutch, Danes, and Swedes also had Gold Coast colonies for some time...
 
The Germans had a presence in West Africa spanning over a long period of time, from a few minor Prussian forts along the Gold Coast and Mauritania to German Togoland. Perhaps this could be expanded.

The Dutch, Danes, and Swedes also had Gold Coast colonies for some time...
The Danes actually pulled out of their trade forts thus before the Scramble for Africa. If they had held on they could have cut themselves a slice of tha ction. Might not have been very big one though.
 
The Germans had a presence in West Africa spanning over a long period of time, from a few minor Prussian forts along the Gold Coast and Mauritania to German Togoland. Perhaps this could be expanded.

The Dutch, Danes, and Swedes also had Gold Coast colonies for some time...
I don't think that the Dutch are a good choice. It is likely that the Dutch would get a colony in west Africa, but it will probably limited to the goldcoast. The Dutch already have a good prestigues colony: Indonesia. The Dutch didn't need a big colony in western Africa (although a smaller colony at Ghana isn't out of the question). Also if you take away Indonesia from the Dutch and I doubt they are willing to gain a large, prestigous, but almost worthless colony in western Africa. It is I think a bit too big for the small Netherlands.

I believe that there already existed French colonies in the Ivory coast and Senegal, so if you don't want them to become French colonies you have to kick them out. With a POD in 1799 that shouldn't be too hard, just let the revolutionairy wars run its course and let the allies keep them after they made peace with the French. If you don't want the British to have western africa let them give the colonies to one of their allies. I suspect Spain is the best choice, as i am not certain if Portugal, Sweden or Denmark are big enough to colonise the area asked for and Germany/Prussia was far more focussed on the European continent or the German lands.
 
As unlikely as it sounds, I think the United States of America could do it.

I find that hard to see. Liberia was one thing, a free slave haven, but the Monroe Doctrine or simply just the USA's background would make this hard to achieve. America's early opposition in principle to the European empires, and their policy of trying to force Europeans out of the Americas, meant that if the USA tried to be too proactive in Africa, they'd be asking for the Europeans to eject them in exactly the same way. The Americans were standing for no stick, so they were provoking the Europeans into the same reaction - the only thing is that IOTL the US didn't try anything really which could have resulted in the Europeans doing this. If you try to retract the Monroe Doctrine, aside from weakening the USA's position you're likely also just making the US seem a weaker, almost subservient country - from being likely to provoke an aggressive response from other countries they become one likely to be looked down on and scorned if they were too try this, yielding much the same result.

I think your best chance is either somehow getting Spain to spread south, as mentioned, or having Germany/UK (depending on POD) seize the French colonies as a result of a 1871-standard crushing defeat.

Just my opinions, of course.
 
I find that hard to see. Liberia was one thing, a free slave haven, but the Monroe Doctrine or simply just the USA's background would make this hard to achieve. America's early opposition in principle to the European empires, and their policy of trying to force Europeans out of the Americas, meant that if the USA tried to be too proactive in Africa, they'd be asking for the Europeans to eject them in exactly the same way. The Americans were standing for no stick, so they were provoking the Europeans into the same reaction - the only thing is that IOTL the US didn't try anything really which could have resulted in the Europeans doing this. If you try to retract the Monroe Doctrine, aside from weakening the USA's position you're likely also just making the US seem a weaker, almost subservient country - from being likely to provoke an aggressive response from other countries they become one likely to be looked down on and scorned if they were too try this, yielding much the same result.

I think your best chance is either somehow getting Spain to spread south, as mentioned, or having Germany/UK (depending on POD) seize the French colonies as a result of a 1871-standard crushing defeat.

Just my opinions, of course.

I know but I remember a challenge I responded to a few months back. It was about getting the US some territory in West Africa and I responded by saying have the Barbary Wars go on for a long time until the US decides to stay there for some reason instead of logically leaving like OTL. From there I could see the US colonizing West Africa.

This is of course boarder line ASB but I was the one who suggested it in the first place.
 
I think your best chance is either somehow getting Spain to spread south, as mentioned, or having Germany/UK (depending on POD) seize the French colonies as a result of a 1871-standard crushing defeat.

How possible is it for Spain to do it, with a post-Napoleon France PoD ?
 
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