Alternate Capitals of the Eastern Roman Empire?

i would help with that most heraclian pod or timelines are just heraclius and do not explore the other 3 emperors
Sadly I’m not a good writer, so they’ll remain thoughts.

Back to capitals though, @Vinization, I think that would be the issue. Especially early on. When the Arabs attacked Constantinople in 718 they had a large ass fleet with them, and the geography of the region aided in the defeat of the Arabs. It also means that they’re father away from their European holdings.
 
Sadly I’m not a good writer, so they’ll remain thoughts.

Back to capitals though, @Vinization, I think that would be the issue. Especially early on. When the Arabs attacked Constantinople in 718 they had a large ass fleet with them, and the geography of the region aided in the defeat of the Arabs. It also means that they’re father away from their European holdings.
Oh we all where when we began and heck me and others are not good writters even now but I think you could pull a story depends on how you want to tell
Since you can do it the historical path (ie like you are reading from a book ) a story wise like a play or a combination of both .
 
Speaking of Constans II, I can't help but think of what could've happened if his attempts to reconquer Egypt and southern Italy were successful every now and then, but that something for another thread.
Not the same thing, but my TL has a the Romans holding Egypt and Italy.
 
Sadly I’m not a good writer, so they’ll remain thoughts.

Back to capitals though, @Vinization, I think that would be the issue. Especially early on. When the Arabs attacked Constantinople in 718 they had a large ass fleet with them, and the geography of the region aided in the defeat of the Arabs. It also means that they’re father away from their European holdings.
Well, the Balkans were devastated by the arrival of the Slavs and the Bulgarians and lost to these peoples for centuries, but yeah, the Arabs would become an even greater threat.
 
Well, the Balkans were devastated by the arrival of the Slavs and the Bulgarians and lost to these peoples for centuries, but yeah, the Arabs would become an even greater threat.
The balkans where devestated before by the goths then Attila then the avars and then the bulgarians
 
I know it's not very plausible, but I quite like the idea of Constantine choosing to rebuild Troy as his new capital. If nothing else, the city's status as the legendary home of the Roman people would give it nice symbolic resonance.
 
The capitols chosen for each division tended to depend on the borders. Byzantion was simply a very good site close but not too close to the frontiers. It has the edge on Nikomedia I think.
However a different division where East doesn't have the Balkans would probably shift it.
Alexandria maybe? Palmyra?
 

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I am a little surprised that no one has brought up what could be a fairly viable and significant choice:
Jerusalem.
Think in terms of the cultural dynamics of the era, not just geopolitically or economically.
 
Philippopolis (Plovdiv). Scupi (Skopje), Belgrade, Ohrid, Thessalonica, Athens, Jerusalem, Philadelphia, Alexandria, Famagusta, Syracuse, Irakli, Iconium, Ankara, Trebizond, or Sofia.
 
maybe Nicomedia since it was diocletians capital
This is the most likely alternative. Nicomedia was the major center of imperial governance in the east until Constantine. Also the issue with cities like Antioch and Alexandria or even Athens is they all had their own very...active populations that often had a contentious relationship with emperors and imperial authorities. The allure of Byzantium wasn't just its strategic location, but that it was a relatively mid tier city that Constantine could sculpt however he liked.

I am a little surprised that no one has brought up what could be a fairly viable and significant choice:
Jerusalem.
Think in terms of the cultural dynamics of the era, not just geopolitically or economically.
Jerusalem suffers from being in an absolutely terrible strategic position for the ruling the empire from.
 
What would be some good alternate Capitals of the Eastern Roman empire? I imagine that a City controlling the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanelles straight would do well. What do you guys think?

There are literally no better than Constantinople. It has list of advantages as long as my arm:
* Defensibility: city is located on a pennisula (itself on a pennisula), with good sheltered harbour, and strong currents which screw with attempts at navigation by anyone not familiar with them. It also means it is easy to resupply as long as control of the sea is maintained.
* Trade: very good harbour (Golden Horn), straddles a chokepoint: north-south trade all goes through Straits of Bosphorus, while East-West trade goes either through Danube-Black Sea (and thus close or through Constantinople) or overland through Thrace and Anatolia (and thus through Constantinople). Since strait is narrow, getting goods over it is not much of an issue.
* Administration: city is close to Sea of Marmara, Aegean Sea and Black Sea. Since sea communication is much easier over sea than over land, this is a major advantage - yet its location is not disadvantageous for overland communication either - see earlier section

Now let's look at alternatives proposed and where they fall short of Constantinople:
Nicaea: nowhere as defensible, not as good harbour, and in fact sits kinda aside from trade routes - even though its location in Sea of Marmara does provide it some advantages.
Perinthos: same as Nicaea.
Every other city: same as Nicaea, to greater or lesser extent. But I would say that Nicomedia is the best choice.

This does lead to the question if Classical, Hellenistic, and pre-Constantine Byzantium was actually a fairly thriving and populated city and we just don't hear of it much since the city-states down south during the Classical era, then the Hellenistic states post-Alexander, hogged up all the historical literature we do have as the serious power players of the time. Feels like in America as a modern-day example we sometimes forget how naturally vital and important certain cities like St. Louis, Chicago, or Cincinnati are in their gorgeous sites because all the attention's on the REALLY big metropolises like New York or Los Angeles.

From reading Greek history, I always got impression that even Classical Byzantium was a major city, at level with Athens perhaps, but was simply too far away from mainland Greece to be "interesting". Hence the lack of sources.

That being said, considering how important aquaducts were for Constantinople, it might be that lack of water that prevented its development prior to Roman times (there is a stream within Constantinople IIRC, but I don't know how large - likely fairly small, considering how important cisterns were for sieges).
 
There are literally no better than Constantinople. It has list of advantages as long as my arm:
* Defensibility: city is located on a pennisula (itself on a pennisula), with good sheltered harbour, and strong currents which screw with attempts at navigation by anyone not familiar with them. It also means it is easy to resupply as long as control of the sea is maintained.
* Trade: very good harbour (Golden Horn), straddles a chokepoint: north-south trade all goes through Straits of Bosphorus, while East-West trade goes either through Danube-Black Sea (and thus close or through Constantinople) or overland through Thrace and Anatolia (and thus through Constantinople). Since strait is narrow, getting goods over it is not much of an issue.
* Administration: city is close to Sea of Marmara, Aegean Sea and Black Sea. Since sea communication is much easier over sea than over land, this is a major advantage - yet its location is not disadvantageous for overland communication either - see earlier section

Now let's look at alternatives proposed and where they fall short of Constantinople:
Nicaea: nowhere as defensible, not as good harbour, and in fact sits kinda aside from trade routes - even though its location in Sea of Marmara does provide it some advantages.
Perinthos: same as Nicaea.
Every other city: same as Nicaea, to greater or lesser extent. But I would say that Nicomedia is the best choice.



From reading Greek history, I always got impression that even Classical Byzantium was a major city, at level with Athens perhaps, but was simply too far away from mainland Greece to be "interesting". Hence the lack of sources.

That being said, considering how important aquaducts were for Constantinople, it might be that lack of water that prevented its development prior to Roman times (there is a stream within Constantinople IIRC, but I don't know how large - likely fairly small, considering how important cisterns were for sieges).
you know, I wonder how powerful a Byzantium city state would be...
 
There are literally no better than Constantinople. It has list of advantages as long as my arm:
* Defensibility: city is located on a pennisula (itself on a pennisula), with good sheltered harbour, and strong currents which screw with attempts at navigation by anyone not familiar with them. It also means it is easy to resupply as long as control of the sea is maintained.
* Trade: very good harbour (Golden Horn), straddles a chokepoint: north-south trade all goes through Straits of Bosphorus, while East-West trade goes either through Danube-Black Sea (and thus close or through Constantinople) or overland through Thrace and Anatolia (and thus through Constantinople). Since strait is narrow, getting goods over it is not much of an issue.
* Administration: city is close to Sea of Marmara, Aegean Sea and Black Sea. Since sea communication is much easier over sea than over land, this is a major advantage - yet its location is not disadvantageous for overland communication either - see earlier section

Now let's look at alternatives proposed and where they fall short of Constantinople:
Nicaea: nowhere as defensible, not as good harbour, and in fact sits kinda aside from trade routes - even though its location in Sea of Marmara does provide it some advantages.
Perinthos: same as Nicaea.
Every other city: same as Nicaea, to greater or lesser extent. But I would say that Nicomedia is the best choice.



From reading Greek history, I always got impression that even Classical Byzantium was a major city, at level with Athens perhaps, but was simply too far away from mainland Greece to be "interesting". Hence the lack of sources.

That being said, considering how important aquaducts were for Constantinople, it might be that lack of water that prevented its development prior to Roman times (there is a stream within Constantinople IIRC, but I don't know how large - likely fairly small, considering how important cisterns were for sieges).
To add to this, the position of Emperor was always a military position, and having a capital well positioned to the frontier is important. There's a reason why later Western Emperors were based out of Milan or Ravenna instead of Rome, being near to the frontier in order to defend it is important. For that reason even though its probably the largest city in the east (and nearly as defensible as Constantinople) Alexandria is out as a capital. Its simply too far away from the major frontiers to function as a capital. In the East, there's two major frontiers that are a concern, the Danube and the Persian front. Constantinople is one of the best positioned cities for the former and Antioch for the latter, but both work suitably to get to the other quickly. One easy way to get the Capital in a different spot would be to have the Persian frontier a bit more important at the time, or make the Danube a little less important.
 
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