Alternate British Monarchies

[Aussey]

Um, am I missing something ? What has Swallows and Amazons got to do with a black queen ? I just read the Wikipedia article and it is all about Ransome's books, oddly enough lol

Grey Wolf

oh...well i guess that's wrong

anyways...its a story bout Elizabeth of Bohemia secretly marrying an African prince, and they have a son, and the descendant and "rightful" Queen of Great Britain is a black scientest, and she lives in Bermuda...

 

[Grey Wolf]

oh...well i guess that's wrong

anyways...its a story bout Elizabeth of Bohemia secretly marrying an African prince, and they have a son, and the descendant and "rightful" Queen of Great Britain is a black scientest, and she lives in Bermuda...

http://www.hnet.net/~wbcml/adulthistoricalfiction.htm

The Winter Queen by Jane Stevenson - Set in Holland in the 17th century, "The Winter Queen" is a sweeping portrait of the tumultuous history and politics of the era as well as an immensely moving account of a strange and magical love affair. At its center are two royal exiles: Elizabeth of Bohemia, the Winter Queen, and her clandestine lover, an African prince of shamanic gifts, sold into slavery and freed after years of bondage.

http://wbcml.hnet.net:8080/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=1I0312657U32P.30414&profile=dial--1&source=~!dial&view=items&uri=full=1100001~!446376~!0&ri=29&aspect=basic&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=Winter+queen.&index=TL&uindex=&aspect=basic&menu=searc#focus

Just a quick Google

Grey Wolf

 

[wkwillis]

Okay. Prince John in OTL was a boy with epilepsy, born 1905, died 1919. He might have fallen in love with a commoner girl who treated him decently, perhaps because she too is epileptic.
His family wishes him well, sets up an annuity payable in America, and writes him out of history because people had started to notice that a lot of royal families were kind of genetically degenerate and they didn't want any publicity interfering with their wedding plans for the other kids.
Then Al Queda wipes out the entire British royal family when they gather for Elizabeth's wedding and his great grandchild is next in line. Extra points if he's black.

 

[Grey Wolf]

Okay. Prince John in OTL was a boy with epilepsy, born 1905, died 1919. He might have fallen in love with a commoner girl who treated him decently, perhaps because she too is epileptic.
His family wishes him well, sets up an annuity payable in America, and writes him out of history because people had started to notice that a lot of royal families were kind of genetically degenerate and they didn't want any publicity interfering with their wedding plans for the other kids.
Then Al Queda wipes out the entire British royal family when they gather for Elizabeth's wedding and his great grandchild is next in line. Extra points if he's black.

Quite an interesting idea

I don't know which event you meant as the Al Quaeda one, but it really wouldnt matter which. Maybe a wedding for Wills

The thing is you would have to take out a fair few people to achieve this, a King Ralph idea

Grey Wolf

 

[wkwillis]

Quite an interesting idea

I don't know which event you meant as the Al Quaeda one, but it really wouldnt matter which. Maybe a wedding for Wills

The thing is you would have to take out a fair few people to achieve this, a King Ralph idea

Grey Wolf

Right. Extra points again if Prince Harry survives, it turn's out he really is Hewitt's kid, and there is a three way succession struggle between him, the kid in America, and whoever is next in line to the American kid back in Britain. Extra points yet again if none of them wants the job.

 

[Justin Pickard]

Erm...self-referential bump?

 

[MerryPrankster]

Godwinsson winning in 1066--the resulting British monarchy will definitely be rather different from the feudalism of the Continent.

Given that the Witan (a sort of proto-Parliament) had a lot of swing with the King, perhaps a true constitutional monarchy by the 1200-1300s?

 

[Wendell]

Godwinsson winning in 1066--the resulting British monarchy will definitely be rather different from the feudalism of the Continent.

Given that the Witan (a sort of proto-Parliament) had a lot of swing with the King, perhaps a true constitutional monarchy by the 1200-1300s?

I think that's certainly possible. Would it have been an empire by 1400?

 

[MerryPrankster]

I think that's certainly possible. Would it have been an empire by 1400?

Not sure.

No Norman Monarchy means no 100 Years War, since the whole business happened due to confusion about feudal laws and how they pertained to a vassal (King of England, who had Normandy as fief) who was more powerful than his lord (King of France).

If there is less continental involvement, they have more resources to spend elsewhere.

However, some have said that Harold would want to invade Normandy and claim it "by right of revenge," while others have pointed out various ties between the Saxon regime and the Low Countries, so there might still be continental involvement.

 

[Hero of Canton]

Let this thread live again! I give you the many Kings named Harold!

King Harold Godwinsson the Great - Kingship confirmed by his victories in Yorkshire and Hastings. High King of England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and Brittany

King Harold the Lionhearted - Recaptured Jerusalem and slew Saladin in single combat

King Harold V - Conqueror of France

King Harold VI the Unready - Boy King of Britain and France

King Harold VIII the Restorer - Papal Favorite - Ground the Protestants Underfoot