Alternate Balkan Borders

So I was at a museum of Islamic Arts and I saw a map similar to this one of the Ottoman Empire’s provinces. https://goo.gl/images/C3nDec
The only difference was Bulgaria had Gallipoli. So is it possible for the balkans to include an independent Serbia that goes down to Athens, and an independenf Bulgaria with the rest of Greece and even Gallipoli? If it is possible how could this happen? Would Greece basically be the Kurdistan of Europe?
 

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It's plausible, and we wanted to restore the Empire, but i doubt that would be possible since the great powers wouldn't allow it

Some sort of sordid catastrophe hitting them while suspiciously avoiding the Balkans, however...
 
...what the heck are those borders? An Armenia that rules Iranian Azerbaijan but not Lake Van because Georgia does? :confounded:

This seems easier with a pre-Ottoman PoD, because under Dusan the Serbs had the military might to pull this off and the West didn’t have the influence to stop them yet.
 
...what the heck are those borders? An Armenia that rules Iranian Azerbaijan but not Lake Van because Georgia does? :confounded:

This seems easier with a pre-Ottoman PoD, because under Dusan the Serbs had the military might to pull this off and the West didn’t have the influence to stop them yet.
I assume that different colors indicate when the relevant areas were incorporated by the Ottomans, not provincial divisions.
 
I assume that different colors indicate when the relevant areas were incorporated by the Ottomans, not provincial divisions.

Yeah there is legend in the corner of the map saying just that.

The Ottoman Empire did have some wierd provincail divisions (the Rumelia Eyalet was HUGE and Ottoman Hungary was a panhandle-fest), but the linked map is not a map of them.

Maybe by grouping the OTL Ottoman Eyalets you could arrangr for Athens to be in a majority-Serbian group and Salonika to be in a majority-Bulgarian group, but I'm not sure how to make such a grouping stick. Maybe factions in an Ottoman Civil War whoch gets frozen in the same way thr Korean War did?
 
So I was at a museum of Islamic Arts and I saw a map similar to this one of the Ottoman Empire’s provinces. https://goo.gl/images/C3nDec
The only difference was Bulgaria had Gallipoli. So is it possible for the balkans to include an independent Serbia that goes down to Athens, and an independenf Bulgaria with the rest of Greece and even Gallipoli? If it is possible how could this happen? Would Greece basically be the Kurdistan of Europe?

Greece does not have the geography of being Europes Kurds. Kurds are in a special position, they're between Arabs, Persians and Turks. Greeks however have only the Sea that surrounds them.
 
Yeah there is legend in the corner of the map saying just that.

The Ottoman Empire did have some wierd provincail divisions (the Rumelia Eyalet was HUGE and Ottoman Hungary was a panhandle-fest), but the linked map is not a map of them.

Maybe by grouping the OTL Ottoman Eyalets you could arrangr for Athens to be in a majority-Serbian group and Salonika to be in a majority-Bulgarian group, but I'm not sure how to make such a grouping stick. Maybe factions in an Ottoman Civil War whoch gets frozen in the same way thr Korean War did?

I think the eyalets were largely put on how much people there were. The Danube Eyalet was maybe population wise not too different than Hungary.
 
Just a note, the map linked too, isn't a map of Ottoman subdivisions, but merely a map of territories conquered and when.
Thanks for the info. I just found a map very similar to that one in the museum having names of Bulgaria and Serbia with very similar borders.
 
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