Alternate Axis Leaders and Political Movements

Which people could have led the nations of an alternate Axis that consisted of roughly the same nations as in OTL, with at least one of them starting a major European war in 1939 or 1940? I am mainly thinking of Axis leaders taking more intelligent decisions than the actual ones.
What would be the political background of these alternate Axis leaders? How could they come into power?
Ideas for alternate foreign ministers, ministers for the economy, commanders in chief and so on for any Axis nation are also welcome.
 

maverick

Banned
For Nazi Germany:
-Hermann Goering, Reichmarshall and most likely successor to Hitler;
-Rudolf Hess; deputy Fuhrer and actual number 2 in the line of succession;
-Others; less likely in 1939, like Goebbels and Himmler...and the inevitable military or SS Putsch;

For Italy
-Count Galeazzo Ciano;
-Marshal Pietro Badoglio or General Graziani;
-Personal Rule a la Bulgaria in Italy under the King with a fascist Prime Minister...

For Japan?...might have to think about it...
 
For Nazi Germany:
-Hermann Goering, Reichmarshall and most likely successor to Hitler;
-Rudolf Hess; deputy Fuhrer and actual number 2 in the line of succession;
-Others; less likely in 1939, like Goebbels and Himmler...and the inevitable military or SS Putsch;

For Italy
-Count Galeazzo Ciano;
-Marshal Pietro Badoglio or General Graziani;
-Personal Rule a la Bulgaria in Italy under the King with a fascist Prime Minister...

For Japan?...might have to think about it...
I think he means really alternate people, not people who were Hitler's deputies necessarily... so who knows?Gregor Strasser? Ernst Roehm? :p
 
In Romania the easiest bet would be having the Iron Guard seize power either in the elections of 1938 or ( more likely) in 1940 after the defeat of France (in OTL they entered a partnership with the army, so i am talking of complete power).
The key imo would be having Codreanu not get beaten to death by the Gendarmerie in 1938 so the Germans would have a united and much more stronger movement to install in Romania after the Fall of France, as well as a more credible and a bit more moderate leadership. His deputies, probably Codreanu's father and brothers or any other high ranking members that ITTL would not get killed in 1938.

However this could really complicate things... We have a much stronger and loyal Romania, with no territories given to Hungary or Bulgaria, that allies earlier with Germany than OTL. But there also could be a serious crisis with the USSR regarding Bassarabia. It was specified in the R-M pact that it would go to the Soviets but i don't see Codreanu ceding any territory.
EDIT: also Hungary and Bulgaria would need much more convincing to join the Axis ITTL, further complicating things in the alliance
 
I think he means really alternate people, not people who were Hitler's deputies necessarily... so who knows?Gregor Strasser? Ernst Roehm? :p
It does not matter wheather these alternate leaders had a government post in OTL or not. Information about right-wing parties or movements other than Hitler's National Socialists and Mussolini's Fascists is also welcome!
 
For Spain,

King Javier I if the Carlists somehow end up the most powerful faction on the Nationalist side in the Spanish Civil War. Manuel Fal Conde would probably be head of government.

If the Falange (in its original, radical form) becomes dominant, then maybe Manuel Hedilla (I think he would be the highest ranking 'old shirt' after Primo de Rivera's death.)

Alternatively, another general cold take the place of Franco and form a government along similar lines. Possibly Sanjurjo if he doesn't die in a plane crash, same with Mola.
 
In Romania the easiest bet would be having the Iron Guard seize power either in the elections of 1938 or ( more likely) in 1940 after the defeat of France (in OTL they entered a partnership with the army, so i am talking of complete power).
The key imo would be having Codreanu not get beaten to death by the Gendarmerie in 1938 so the Germans would have a united and much more stronger movement to install in Romania after the Fall of France, as well as a more credible and a bit more moderate leadership. His deputies, probably Codreanu's father and brothers or any other high ranking members that ITTL would not get killed in 1938.

Your answer is certainly pertinent to my question.
But why in the world do you call the violently anti-semitic Iron Guard "a bit more moderate"??:confused::confused::confused:
 
Your answer is certainly pertinent to my question.
But why in the world do you call the violently anti-semitic Iron Guard "a bit more moderate"??:confused::confused::confused:
He is saying that under Codreanu's continued leadership, it would be less extreme than in OTL (yes, still fascist and anti-semitic, just a little less so).
 
He is saying that under Codreanu's continued leadership, it would be less extreme than in OTL (yes, still fascist and anti-semitic, just a little less so).
Exactly
Not only were some of the less-extremist elements removed by King Carol, and later by Sima when the Iron Guard took power OTL, but the bloodshed of 1938-39 that left many many Guardists dead further radicalized the organisation and thus made it even more violent and xenophobic (all of these wouldn't happen ITTL).
 

yourworstnightmare

Banned
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Interresting, a early Axis Romania would certainly mean problems for Horthy's Hungary, no real chance he is going to reclaim lost Hungarian lands.
 
For Nazi
For Italy
-Count Galeazzo Ciano;
-Marshal Pietro Badoglio or General Graziani;
-Personal Rule a la Bulgaria in Italy under the King with a fascist Prime Minister...
Not sure I'd agree on Ciano, according to what I read he was an organizer more than a leader. The military were at least partly hostile towards the Fascist regime, and I guess they would have probably supported personal rule by the King. Italo Balbo could be an alternative Fascist leader, and would have been an energetic one. Not sure if he'd been able to rein in corruption, but he'd have favoured the Allies against Germany, even if he'd have opted to keep out of the war (the wisest option, IHMO).
 
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