Alternate Ancient Colonies

We have a lot of alternate colony threads (WI the Vikings colonized America, etc) but none, that I've seen anyway, about ancient colonies. So, what kinds of ancient colonization PODs might we see? Greeks colonizing north Africa instead of Phoenicians? Maybe the Egyptians or Lydians or someone else joins in?

What other kinds of scenarios can you come up with?
 

Cook

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How about Aramaic speaking trade colonies along the coast of the Mediterranean instead of Phoenician?

Or Phoenician, Greek and Egyptian trade colonies down the Coast of West Africa as far as Ghana?

Pytheas reached the Arctic circle in the 4th century B.C. and the Egyptians are said to have circumnavigated Africa before then.

 
Could we get Mediterranean colonies on the east coast of Africa beyond the Red Sea and Punt? Or would the monsoons be too much for ships back then to navigate reliably?

On that note, what about Punt(ean?) colonies in southern Arabia or along the African coast?
 

Cook

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With no Phoenicia, the Greeks could have colonized most of the Med.

Or someone else could have.

Weren’t most of the Phoenician colonies trading outposts to begin with while the Greeks were agricultural colonies or is that too simplistic?
 
I've always wanted to see a well-thought out time line dealing with expanding upon Hanno and the Carthaginian exploration of the West African coast.... Carthaginian settlements at Dakar, the Gold Coast, maybe even Cape Town - Mediterranean crops would certainly be suitable to the latter. It would be neat to see trade routes inland, facilitating the Nok culture, Djenne-Djeno, and the Sao (Agisymba) of Lake Chad.

After the Roman conquest of Carthage, the West African colonies might find themselves completely isolated from the Mediterranean world, and it would be interesting to see how hundreds of years of back-and-forth influence between their descendants and the local African populations might speed up development there. Assuming European colonizers eventually show up, we might see some powerful and completely unrecognizable cultures. A hybrid Carthaginian-Khoisan civilization with Mediterranean agriculture and Bantu cattle at the Cape of Good Hope might be situated to benefit a lot from the Age of Exploration.




Also, I'd like to see someone reach Iceland (Thule) in early times - a small, ship-wrecked Greco-Roman trading fleet that becomes stranded and eventually grows to populate the entire island would be fascinating. Perhaps an early Celtic Iceland and Greenland, or a Tamil Australia.
 

Cook

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or a Tamil Australia.

There are meant to be old Javanese Kindom maps showing Arnhem Land and the Kimberlies coastlines. And there are numerous aboriginal rock carvings showing Javanese style boats.

It’s strange that they didn’t at least settle fishing villages along the coast given how good the fishing is in the region.
 
After the Roman conquest of Carthage, the West African colonies might find themselves completely isolated from the Mediterranean world

I'd rather assume the opposite: a well established trade network from the mediterranean to Carthaginian trade outposts will attract the Romans down the African coast. IOTL, they tried to conquer profitable lands like Jemen or Nubia but failed. ITTL, at least we'd see a Roman expedition down the African coast to conquer Senegal.

Furthermore: are carawan trade routes profitable at all if the sea route is known and used?
 

Larrikin

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We have a lot of alternate colony threads (WI the Vikings colonized America, etc) but none, that I've seen anyway, about ancient colonies. So, what kinds of ancient colonization PODs might we see? Greeks colonizing north Africa instead of Phoenicians? Maybe the Egyptians or Lydians or someone else joins in?

What other kinds of scenarios can you come up with?

Greeks, North Africa, Cyrene
 
After the Roman conquest of Carthage, the West African colonies might find themselves completely isolated from the Mediterranean world

I'd rather assume the opposite: a well established trade network from the mediterranean to Carthaginian trade outposts will attract the Romans down the African coast. IOTL, they tried to conquer profitable lands like Jemen or Nubia but failed. ITTL, at least we'd see a Roman expedition down the African coast to conquer Senegal.

Furthermore: are carawan trade routes profitable at all if the sea route is known and used?
 
I think that Greek colonisation of Russia would be interesting. THere were already sizeable colonies on the Crimea, so the idea of them planting smaller colonies up the Don and Sniester, or aroudn the S. of Azov would make sense, if say there was some calamity in 'central' Greece (more devastating Peloponnesian war that cripples everyone else as well as Athens, plague, famine etc.?)
 
I'd rather assume the opposite: a well established trade network from the mediterranean to Carthaginian trade outposts will attract the Romans down the African coast. IOTL, they tried to conquer profitable lands like Jemen or Nubia but failed. ITTL, at least we'd see a Roman expedition down the African coast to conquer Senegal.

Furthermore: are carawan trade routes profitable at all if the sea route is known and used?

Roman Senegal?!? Drool...

I think the time to travel from WAfrica to Europe with oared ships will still allow caravans to compete at some level. Plus they'll have a new role bringing goods west to Timbuktu, or wherever.
 

Cook

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I’ve always thought the Kimberleys needed Pyramids.

Somewhere on the Fitzroy or Ord Rivers would be perfect. And they’d look awesome coated in red dust!
 
That's a hell of a trip in a canoe!

It happened in OTL, I believe. However, by this time the Norse were already completely settled in Iceland. If the Norse never colonize the island, the Inuit would probably settle it.

Of course, this would happen after 1000 AD, so it's far too late to be called ancient colonization, IMO.
 
an Inuit nation that remains independent untill modern day *drools* that would be a neat timeline. even if the nation is only like greenand and baffin island:)
 

Cook

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How about the Angkor Wat temple complex transplanted to Queensland’s Glasshouse Mountains?
:)


Angkor wat.jpg
 
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