Alternate American Civil War (brainstorming for timeline)

JJohnson

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Hi all,

I'm looking for ideas regarding how an alternate US Civil War could erupt and play out in an alternate USA, given:

-Quebec, Nova Scotia, and Canada (now called Franklin) joined the US Revolution from the beginning due in part to the Quebec Act
-the War of 1812 gained Rupert's Land for the US and the Bahamas
-US now includes Cuba as a territory bought in 1848, and includes Yucatan, Republic of Rio Grande, and most of northern Mexico due to the Mexican-American War.

My question would be, how do you think the sectionalism would evolve? Would any of this new territory become part of the Confederacy? How would the war play out and conclude? Any particular consequences that you could see for the nation?

My only caveat would be that the Confederacy does lose and the states rejoin the nation, and Cuba eventually does become a state.

I'd appreciate your thoughts and ideas.
 
-Quebec, Nova Scotia, and Canada (now called Franklin) joined the US Revolution from the beginning due in part to the Quebec Act
:confused:Quebec AND Canada?? What are you talking about. That's like saying that Hitler declared war on the USA and America, as an example.

Why, why, why would the Americans try to force the name of Franklin on an existing area that had it's own name?
 

JJohnson

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:confused:Quebec AND Canada?? What are you talking about. That's like saying that Hitler declared war on the USA and America, as an example.

Why, why, why would the Americans try to force the name of Franklin on an existing area that had it's own name?

Canada as in Upper/Lower Canada. I didn't know if there were any other name for the territory at the time, so I mistakenly shortened it to "Canada" for the late 18th century territory.
 
While your POD is a major divergence from actual history, you have assumed that the path America follows after your POD is almost the same as that followed in actual history. As such, we need much more info such as, how did the ARW end, and what were the elements of the treaty with Britain? What form of government did the independent states have, is there a Constitution, and how does it differ from OTL? What influence did these additional states have on the question of slavery? It seems that early on in the history of the US (assuming there is a similar constitution), non slave states have larger numbers and more power than in OTL, and that will have a huge impact on the history of the country.

How can you assume a War of 1812? If there was such a similar war in your TL, what were the causes and what were the results?

While I like your ideas, I need more information.:confused:
 

Wolfpaw

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I'm gonna say that without a British-owned Upper and Lower Canada, the War of 1812 doesn't happen, especially over somehwere like Rupert's Land.

Sure, the US was pissed over impressment, but a lot of the hawks were hawks because they wanted to snatch the Canadas and boot the Brits out of North America once and for all.
 

JJohnson

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I'm assuming here that the ARW ended with Britain's defeat much like OTL; the loyalists in the colonies departed for South America, Africa, and Central America. The US got what we consider Lower/Upper Canada, the Maritimes, and the Northwest Territories, while the British kept Rupert's Land. They continued to incite Indian raids, including from Rupert's land, harassed US trade ships, and impressed Americans into working on their ships.

I'm not sure as to whether a more successful ARW would allow Britain to retain Rupert's land in whole or in part. As to the War of 1812, the pot has been simmering for a time on this issue; the British and Americans fight a longer war, but manage to win out by 1816. DC was burned, as was Montreal by the British, but the US came around and routed the British in the end. After this war, the US made several big gains on the British in the Caribbean and in the north and west, so that the US ends up with the entirety of Rupert's Land and at least the Bahamas from the British. The US now includes North America not part of Russian Alaska and New Spain.

Regarding sectionalism, I would surmise the South, being a bit more outweighed by the increase in northern states, would push even more to the west and Caribbean to expand their way of life. I would expect this to lead to the purchase of Cuba in 1848, and for an eventual Mexican-American War to result in more land taken from Mexico. I'm not sure they'd be so amenable to the popular sovereignty running in the western territories, but I'm not an absolute expert on that issue.

Even some guesses would be helpful as to how the civil war would arise and develop.
 
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