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There was a possibility of building it for the new carriers and the RAF as a tornado replacement.
Alternate Aircraft Acquisitions
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gloster meteor mk3
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Is the buccaneer survivable though. It is subsonic and had engine problems.
I would love to see the costings for such a plane, I'm guessing it would make the Eurofighter or Rafale programmes look cheap (and per unit be one of the more expensive current fighters). by the Replica it's what 30 years since the last conventional carrier aircraft that the UK produced.
The P.150 Buccaneer would have been capable of mach 1.8. It was originally designed as a cost-effective alternative to TSR-2 and would have presumably used the Mk.202/3/4 Spey engines that were used in the UK Phatom's.
And would have been the more sensible development, how many RAF/RN fights have cost the UK over the years?
gloster meteor mk3
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The exports would of made it worth while though.It had f22 levels of stealth, something the USA would not sell even to its closest allies but we could of sold it to Japan,Australia and Canada who wanted the f22 before America slammed the door shut.
Absolutely. They've probably cost us the entire expense of the Falkland's War for a start.
And the UK has such a massive record of exports as well? 2 Type 42's, no Type 23's, no Type 45's, no Nimrods, 16 Bucs to South Africa just for examples? Not too mention the massive gaps in industrial knowledge that the UK would have by the 90's for such a high end fighter (if a gap of ten years means you need the US to help build SSN's a gap of 30 odd years are going to do much more)
The UK would take the full cost of development with hopes that somebody would step in for exports, at a time when the peace dividend means making cuts everywhere. The Japanese and the Australians already use US equipment, weapons, services trying to get them to change would be massive (see the fact that even the reduced component building of the 35 was more than the entire Eurofighters to the Japanese).
You are suggesting the UK takes on a massive gamble for something that at best was a paper study, hell the Japanese currently have a more progressed stealth fighter than the Replica and with respect where's the supporting evidence that it would have been a F22 competitor other than your view's?
gloster meteor mk3
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The sea Harrier was a better procurement than the Buccaneer. A small light weight tactical fighter capable to take off from anywhere.
I have. It makes no claims about how stealthy Replica was designed to be.
gloster meteor mk3
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ONE SOURCE CLOSE to the program told Aviation Week & Space Technology that airframe components were constructed to "pretty tight specifications." The design also included conformal shared-apertures, along with having an internal weapons bay.
That is used in the f22 raptor.
That is used in the f22 raptor.
The Sea Harrier was making lemonade from lemons, the Buccaneer was a nuclear capable tactical bomber. When you consider the aircraft that the French had on the Clemenceau compared to the Sea Harriers on the Invincibles
I'll go buy you a beer for this.
Why thank you sir
It's not impossible, if you assume maybe a keen deal on the Turcano's, coming at the end of the production run, and the fact that the Republic's finances in 2001 are still healthy and sustainable then all you need is better ministers and Army support. The Turcano's would be new enough to last as trainers for as long as they were needed (and getting parts for them would be far easier than the previous aircraft), and the options for planes were there. Convince the Army that this might mean more support for deployments then it could happen.
Surprised no one has mentioned the Hawker henley instead of the Battle.
The Ju 188 as a replacement for Ju88 bomber types, rather than a complement. The Luftwaffe high command felt its edge over the 88 wasn't enough to merit it, especially with the 288 in the offing. Still, it had much improved defensive armarment over the 88.
For the post war Luftwaffe almost anything would be better than the Erdnagel.
Although it would have been politically unacceptable for the Germans to buy a French plane, this would have been a better bet.
The Ju 188 as a replacement for Ju88 bomber types, rather than a complement. The Luftwaffe high command felt its edge over the 88 wasn't enough to merit it, especially with the 288 in the offing. Still, it had much improved defensive armarment over the 88.
For the post war Luftwaffe almost anything would be better than the Erdnagel.
Although it would have been politically unacceptable for the Germans to buy a French plane, this would have been a better bet.
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I like the idea of a half dozen L-159. I wonder if we could tempt Petike to show his skills and produce a pic? Another possibility is the area of helicopters would be the Blackhawk for transport & aid to the civil authorities.