Alternate air force roundels and markings thread (Mk III)

[Marc Pasquin]

While I agree that the symbol is quite busy for a roundel and likely not realy readable at any distance im not sure if that necessary makes it useless as an identification symbol. For quite some time the turkish roundel was just a black square after all.

kinda my point. If a black square is recognizable enough, what would be the point of putting the country's name on it ? If no one else uses a white skull-&-bones on black as a roundel, there's no need to add anything to it.

 

[cassette_girl]

I'd drop the text if I were you. At a distance and while moving, it would be next to useless. If you don't think the white skull & crossbones on black is distinctive enough, maybe have a simple geometric pattern behind it.

I added the text mainly just as text was used to identify the soldiers of Makhnovia during the RCW, it also isn't a country name, it says something along the lines of "Death To All Stalinist/Statist Oppressors." I do realize now that it was useless, and probably not really necessary, but I do like how it develops flavor and shows the mentality of Makhnovia during what probably was during their darkest hour.

 

[cassette_girl]

Where do your anarchist get their weapons from? Self production or foreign state-level supporters?

Mainly Self Production from the Communes, as self reliance would be necessary for a state which had almost no support outside the USSR until Lenin's death, after which they had none. During the war however, I believe anti-communist factions, or atleast anti-bolshevik factions, would donate to Makhnovia; considering they would be the only nation which had proven itself capable of resisting the soviets other than poland up until that point.

 

[Marc Pasquin]

I added the text mainly just as text was used to identify the soldiers of Makhnovia during the RCW, it also isn't a country name, it says something along the lines of "Death To All Stalinist/Statist Oppressors." I do realize now that it was useless, and probably not really necessary, but I do like how it develops flavor and shows the mentality of Makhnovia during what probably was during their darkest hour.

Further advice then: make the text semi circular so it follows the outside of the circular field.

 

[Tiro]

How about one of these? The first just adds the red star into the centre of the OTL USAF symbol; the second has wider red stripes at the sides, which I think emphasise the communist nature even more, but it's up to you.
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These are very fine! Thank You most kindly for your efforts and please accept my apologies for having taking so long to answer.

 

[Born in the USSA]

Here's the roundel for the air force(s) of the Antarctic Revolutionary Commonwealths in my Power Without Knowledge TL! It's used by the air wings of both the Antarctic Army and Navy, and also as an insignia to differentiate pilots and support staff from the rest of their parent branch.

 

[NHBL]

If anyone's interested, I could use something for my timeline, "Reach For the Skies" timeline. By 1900 (sic) the United States Aerospace Force has been inaugurated as a branch of the US Navy. The name is highly optimistic, and sign of the force's goals. It needs a symbol, preferably one that suggests that they WILL be navigating the cosmos.
In 1900, after 24 years of insane levels of research into many things, the USA has heavier than air flying machines and the navy wants an insignia that can be seen clearly as they go screaming along. Other nations are staggering into the air as well, and Uncle Sam is thinking ahead to a time when "warplane" isn't synonymous with "American."

 

[Born in the USSA]

If anyone's interested, I could use something for my timeline, "Reach For the Skies" timeline. By 1900 (sic) the United States Aerospace Force has been inaugurated as a branch of the US Navy. The name is highly optimistic, and sign of the force's goals. It needs a symbol, preferably one that suggests that they WILL be navigating the cosmos.
In 1900, after 24 years of insane levels of research into many things, the USA has heavier than air flying machines and the navy wants an insignia that can be seen clearly as they go screaming along. Other nations are staggering into the air as well, and Uncle Sam is thinking ahead to a time when "warplane" isn't synonymous with "American."

You could do a thunderbolt given the US Classics fixation. Something like this in would work:

 

[Leander]

You could do a thunderbolt given the US Classics fixation. Something like this in would work:

Just as an Information (I guess you know it but others might not): That is the symbol of the german car manufacturer "Opel" which is still in use currently.

 

[NHBL]

You could do a thunderbolt given the US Classics fixation. Something like this in would work:

That could work. In 1900, the roundel isn't yet a tradition, but no reason it couldn't become one--thought something else would work, too--looking for ideas. The idea is for the mere sight of the insignia to inspire fear on the part of the enemy.
"Whatever happens, we have got
The aeroplane, and they have not."

 

[Gokbay]

White background is not part of the roundels.

Roundel of the Democratic Republic of Australia Air Force

Roundel of the New Zealand Peoples Air Force (and Peoples Aotearoan Air Force after 1957 after the country was renamed) (I am considering to perhaps add something to have a shape other than a circle to avoid confusion with Japan, suggestions would not be unwelcome)

Roundel of the Bohemian Air Force (the Bohemian flag is a tricolour of gold-red-blue with the borders that of pretty much modern Czechia. Gold for the field of the Silesian coat of arms, Red for the field of CoA of Bohemia proper, and Blue for the CoA of Moravia. Current Bohemia came to be by Slovakia seceding/gaining independence in 1965, before which it was Czechoslovakia, before 1961 it was Carpathia as in 1961 the former Austria-Hungarian Galicia was returned to Poland.)

Connected to my various other posts here (there are some other roundels I have but a bunch are directly from OTL)

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[FriendlyGhost]

I am considering to perhaps add something to have a shape other than a circle to avoid confusion with Japan, suggestions would not be unwelcome

You could perhaps use a red triangle instead, as a subtle link to the shape of the silver fern?
You might want to bring the top right star to in front of the plough too.

 

[Gokbay]

You could perhaps use a red triangle instead, as a subtle link to the shape of the silver fern?
You might want to bring the top right star to in front of the plough too.

But the triangle is a pretty good idea. Something like the Hungarian Air Force or that but the point to the other side?

For the placement of the star, that is how it is in the original starry plough flag

Starry Plough (flag) - Wikipedia

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This is the national flag I am going with for socialist New Zealand btw, based on the United Tribes of New Zealand flag, but blue changed to black with a red field with the starry plough instead of the St. George cross.

 

[Leander]

For the placement of the star, that is how it is in the original starry plough flag

That is one heck of a weird symbol and it makes for a very busy looking roundel. Its good that you kept the rest of the roundel simple and I can totally understand the reason for using it but its just strange to have such rather intricate symbols in a roundel.
I found this as a simplified version of the symbol:

But thats strictly in an Irish context.

 

[FriendlyGhost]

For the placement of the star, that is how it is in the original starry plough flag

Every day's a school day....

 

[Gokbay]

That is one heck of a weird symbol and it makes for a very busy looking roundel. Its good that you kept the rest of the roundel simple and I can totally understand the reason for using it but its just strange to have such rather intricate symbols in a roundel.
I found this as a simplified version of the symbol:
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But thats strictly in an Irish context.

Well, some current IRL roundels are pretty detailed so I think the starry plough is fine.

Did the triangle rather than circle version btw.

This is a Brittany I did. (The flag is the black cross on white, with an ermine spot on each of the quarters)

 

[Discernible]

Actually an OTL roundel of No. 151 Squadron RAF but I'm sure someone can use it in an ATL for the RAF of the Dominion of Scotland...

 

[Concerned Brazilian]

Roundel of the Andrunian Air Force

 

[Aron MacEanraig]

Royal Air Force, Kingdom of Jerusalem

Royal Air Force, Kingdom of Illyria

Royal Marines, Kingdom of Illyria

Royal Space Force, Kingdom of Illyria

Imperial Air Force, Bantu Union

Royal Air Force, Commonwealth of New England

Royal Air Force, Commonwealth of Antillia

 

[NHBL]

Does anyone want to suggest ones for a couple of locations in my "The Masquerade" timeline, circa 1985?
I may need one for The Eastern Arabian Caretakers. (Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province, maintaining a balanced neutrality in the Saudi Civil War) and later, the Eastern Arabian Republic. The first one should be designed with the possibility of being turned into the second one, and need not be a true roundel. I'll also need one for the Air Force of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, who happens to be the King of Jordan.

I also need one for the late 1890's/early 1900's <sic> Air Fleet of the Navy of the United States, which are heavier than air warplanes of the USN. (And a generation ahead of anyone else's heavier than air machines. Think mid Great War, plus experimental ramjets or pulse jets. Reach For the Skies will end up featuring a serious wank of air/space travel, though I am trying hard to keep it plausible