Alt-History Republic of China and its Neighbors

As part of a secret project I'm working on, it involves delving into China, mainly as a Republic (though I suppose it'd probably be more like a Parlimentary Republic with maybe an executive President).

Now, the big thing I am figuring out is on what would happen to Tibet, Xinjiang/Dzungaria and Mongolia.

Regarding the dominant party, it's the Chinese Peasants' and Workers' Democratic Party (though they're not the big party, just kinda the notable one.)

Alot of the big names like Kai-Shek and Mao are dead BTW.


Tibet I figure would probably still remain in China regardless, though maybe with more autonomy (I'm thinking like how Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are with the UK)

However, the big question is on Mongolia and what is Xinjiang.

Would it make sense for an "Oirat Republic" to be released? Could we get a bigger Mongolia instead? What about Manchuria?
 
Its hard when you provide essentially zero information on what that China is. A more detailed description of just what its structure is and the ideologies within it are required to make reasonable predictions on its policies.
 
Its hard when you provide essentially zero information on what that China is. A more detailed description of just what its structure is and the ideologies within it are required to make reasonable predictions on its policies.

Oh, all right. Thank you.

Well, I don't have much since China is not my strong suit, but it is a parlimentary republic with an executive president (well, Grand Chancellor or Chengxiang). In this world, the Central Powers (barely) won the Great War. China still ends up going through its troubles years until reaching the Sino-Japanese War. Russia never became the USSR so the communists never rose to prominence, this goes for the same as China.

During the Sino-Japanese War, Russia ends uo involved for various reasons along with the US after a Pearl Harbor-like attack and Mexico after the sinking of a Mexican ship by Japanese forces. Japan finally ends up beaten the old fashioned way though remains a constitutional monarchy and is rebuilt by the British (though the US manage to take Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands and convicnes Russia to give Sakhalin to form the Ainu Republic, consisting of mainly the Ainu people and some Japanese refugees who ended up assimilating into the Ainu.)

China meanwhile is rebuilt by the US and Russia (Mexico helps, but assists mainly in Korea and to a lesser extent the Philippines.) By this point, the Nationalist party has been gutted along with whatever Communists there are. This leaves the Chinese Democratic League as the big influential power (though the Chinese Peasants' and Workers' Democratic Party end up as probably the bigger influencer, with the new flag of China based on their flag.)

Now I don't know much about the politics of these guys here, but I do know enough to figure they probably wouldn't let Tibet go (my guess is that they'd be go more autonomy. For some reason, I likened China to be like the UK, with Tibet being their Wales if you will.)

This just leaves questions on Mongolia and the Oirat. The former are already going to be free, but I wonder if they'd get more land. Then we have the Oirat, who pretty much want to recreate the Dzungar Khanate. Would it be likely that China would wanna give up the Xinjiang province to them like that? Would they give more land to Mongolia? (maybe a small bit of Inner Mongolia.)
 
Alright... well, I was looking alot more for party policies/stances, since those are more important to determining what the government actually does (especially if its with weak executive), but I'll take a crack at it.

Tibet: Tibet stays autonimous because they probably aren't going to be making much of a fuss. They've been tributaries for China for centuries, have minimal economic or political interest in the outside world that independence would support, are isolated enough that the Han have never put much cultural pressure on them, aren't getting proscuted, ect. So long as the CDL and others leave the Dali Lama and Buddist government alone, they should be happy enough.

Mongolia: Probably gets Outer Mongolia as well, if we're assuming the Chinese are more focused on the agricultural heartland and is a Han ethno-state rather than an ideological Communist one. They're likely to align to Russia.

Oirat: Very isolated. They can get independence if they want it, but probably end up in the Russian orbit.
 
Well, the parties that make up the League were pretty minor, hence why i was going for a general feel (they were mostly very left-leaning though).

Mongolia would become free though I wonder if they could get more freedom.

Oirat seems to make sense.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
More freedom? They're a sparcely populated and isolated state with the Russian bear sitting right next to it. Just being in their orbit is about as free as they're going to get.
 
More freedom? They're a sparcely populated and isolated state with the Russian bear sitting right next to it. Just being in their orbit is about as free as they're going to get.

I meant land. Sorry, was kinda out of it and not paying attention to what I was writing.

But all right, this is helping out so thank you very much!
 
Emperor Qianlong had genocided the Oirat and then repopulated them with settlers from interior China, as well as Kazahs and Uyghurs. So an Oirat state is unviable. Perhaps Xinjiang gets partitioned into a majority Uyghur south and a multi-cultural but Chinese-speaking north.

Did TTL Russia also invade Manchuria in the closing days of the war? If so, did Russia also drag their feet in withdrawing from the region? If so, then anti-Russian sentiment will surely explode, and the Chinese government will re-emphasize its claim over Mongolia.
 
Emperor Qianlong had genocided the Oirat and then repopulated them with settlers from interior China, as well as Kazahs and Uyghurs. So an Oirat state is unviable. Perhaps Xinjiang gets partitioned into a majority Uyghur south and a multi-cultural but Chinese-speaking north.

Did TTL Russia also invade Manchuria in the closing days of the war? If so, did Russia also drag their feet in withdrawing from the region? If so, then anti-Russian sentiment will surely explode, and the Chinese government will re-emphasize its claim over Mongolia.

Russia did so earlier and they would probably withdraw. Russia entered the war when the Japanese tried to expand into their territory so China is on good terms with Russia. However, I am thinking more that Mongolia would be the ones occupying Manchuria out of promixity while the Russians were moving their out to the East. So maybe Mongolia would try and get Manchuria (or at least the northern parts of it, enough to get a sea port?)

Russia never underwent the civil war it did so while on some shaky ground, it would probably still maintain interest in Mongolia to keep China away.

The reason I ask about the Oirat thing is because there was a good deal of interest with pan-Mongolism. I don't know if any of the interests would kept that alive and for some reason, I feel the religions differences would keep the two from being united. Though maube the northern part of Xinjiang would be granted to Mongolia (Dzungaria) while the southern part (the Tarim Basin) would become some sort of Uyghur state (as for the Turkic states, Khiva and Bukhara are sovereign states, but still in the Russian sphere of influence. I have no idea of Kokand would still be around for this.) Furthermore, the Russians would probably be supporting the monarchies as long as they adhered to leftish policies and suppressed Turkish nationalism.
 
A Mongolian occupation of Manchuria is ASB, since the latter's population is 30 to 40 times greater. The Tarim basin cannot go to Mongolia as its population is also multiethnic rather than Mongol.

Also, Russia would only wage war on Japan if it sees a geopolitical interest in Manchuria, so it is bound to maintain some influence, which is bound to lead to some anti-Russian sentiment in China. It used to be Russia, not Japan, as the national enemy in the Chinese public consciousness.
 
A Mongolian occupation of Manchuria is ASB, since the latter's population is 30 to 40 times greater. The Tarim basin cannot go to Mongolia as its population is also multiethnic rather than Mongol.

Also, Russia would only wage war on Japan if it sees a geopolitical interest in Manchuria, so it is bound to maintain some influence, which is bound to lead to some anti-Russian sentiment in China. It used to be Russia, not Japan, as the national enemy in the Chinese public consciousness.

I didn't say the Tarim Basin would go to Mongoli. I said it would become some sort of Uyghur state, so seperate from the Mongols.

As for Russia, they joined the war because Japan saw Russia as the new sick old man of Europe and having alot of war machines and such they purchased from the Germans post Great War, they began basically trying to take the Far East in a surprise attack. Russia isn't the USSR here and has been cut off from most of Europe and the Americans are dealing with an economic dperession and drought in their agricultural area to do that much to help, hence why Japan saw Russia as a target. Russia and China worked together as an alliance of convienence which then became a more cordial one, especially when the US would enter.
 
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