Alt-History Aftermath Scenarios Implied by Media

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This banknote with an icon like image and a imperial coin would appear as if it, was a provincial legal banknote of a surviving/recreated Byzantine Empire, transitioning from coins to bank notes...
 
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i've been reading Oliver Twist lately and Dickens bringing up how the poor were treated in Victorian England made me think of something in the spirit of the season: could Ebenezer Scrooge's turn away from miserliness to all-loving kindness have had an effect on how Victorian law treated the poor? as in, beyond just becoming much nicer and more charitable as of the end of A Christmas Carol and making Cratchit his full business partner, also ensuring Tim's survival, would he have gone on to use his money and clout to advocate for the poor in general and get the laws changed to be more in their favor? i don't know enough about the Victorian legal system to judge that for myself just yet.
 
The Flashman Papers by George MacDonald Fraser and their existence present an interesting scenario as there aren't too many changes compared to OTL. The differences would be mainly academic and debates about his character and life (such as whether he was exaggerating his exploits).

- The existence of a state called the Duchy of Strackenz in Schleswig-Holstein and its annexation to Germany in 1848 might be the only major difference. Fraser's publication of Flashman's memoirs about this in 1970 might arouse some separatist feelings (or a desire to join Denmark) in the former duchy once the inhabitants find out what Bismarck and his henchmen were doing in Strackenz. There would also be a scandal over Flashman's suggestion that Rudi von Starnberg was the father of Duchess Irma's son.

- The 1842 retreat from Kabul might not be remembered in Britain as much of a defeat as it is in OTL given Flashman survived and 'led' the defence of Piper's Fort. After the publication of the first packet of papers, I imagine there will be a lot of revisionism about the retreat, siege, and Flashman's role. Sergeant Hudson would probably be given a posthumous award or statue as Flashman admitted in his memoirs that he (Flashman) stole all of the credit for the defence of Piper's Fort.

- As Flashman and the Tiger states, Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson exist in this universe with all of their own adventures. I'd expect a few historians to look at Tiger Jack Moran (Colonel Moran) more sympathetically based upon what happened to him in Flashman and the Tiger and Flash for Freedom.

- One of the 'introductions' to the books has Fraser receive a letter from an American man who claimed to be a grandson of Flashman after the latter's encounter with a woman in New Orleans. Flashman himself hints that there is a descendant of his in Russia who is the son of a Russian noblewoman. Though, it's questionable whether this Russian Flashman's descendants would have survived the Soviet purges. Presumably, there would be many other claims of Flashman heritage as he was very lecherous. Whole Flashman societies could form based around his descendants.

- Flashman himself would go through various phases of historical reception. The books imply he falls into historical obscurity in the early 20th century. Fraser's publication of Flashman's memoirs apparently revive considerable interest in him. As he was involved in many of the major conflicts of the Victorian era, there would be a sort of 'Flashmania' for a time. It would take the form of historical debate about Flashman's life and whether he was really dishonourable. By the early 21st century, I can see Flashman fading again due to his racism and misogyny. If Flashman's American Civil War memoirs are published after Fraser's death, they might be censored to remove all of the racist language. He also might lose a few statues and street names in the aftermath of the 2020 George Floyd protests.
 
I've just finished Yakuza: Like A Dragon, the latest chapter of a video game series whose portrayal of the yakuza is so accurate, it got praised by some actual yakuza. If you ignore the ridiculous shit that goes on in the mini-games and side-missions, at least, or how the new protagonist, Ichiban Kasuga, is so into Dragon Quest, he sees street brawls as old school turn-based battles.

If the game's events took place in the real world...

Politicians using their ties to organized crime to advance their career is nothing new; the son of a yakuza boss stealing the identity of a dead person in order to pursue a career in politics, and going as far as to be elected governor of Tokyo while forcing the country's leading yakuza clans to disband after turning the tables on them, now that's wild. It'd probably be a scandal equal or greater than the cult scandal that hit South Korea's former PM. Also, this guy, Aoki Ryo/Arakawa Masato, found a way to deport several thousand Japanese residents without citizenship, up to and including zainichi born and raised in Japan since their grandparents' time - and it's implied that he held very uyoku dantai views, too.
 
Just watched RRR on Netflix. It ends with a 1930s Indian revolutionary who spent years infiltrating the Indian Army (and his best friend) assassinating the 'governor' (implied to be the Governor-General of India), blowing up the giant gubernatorial mansion, and stealing a bunch of Lee-Enfields to arm all of his revolutionary friends. What's more, he did this because the governor randomly kidnapped a little girl, which is presumably going to come out in the inquiries into this disaster.

There's going to be a gigantic political controversy in England about all this; not to mention the risk of violent insurrection in India.

On top of that, the fact that the Indian Army had a prominent infiltrator who used his position to steal a bunch of rifles for revolutionary purposes is definitely going to lead to the British Army trying to limit the number and influence of new Indian officers. Come WW2, the Indian Army is going to start with a massive officer shortage, before it begins trying to expand. Butterflies abound!

So Ram is pretty much a modern reincarnation of Rama, right. Like spiritually if not literally. He and Bheem are going to double handedly destroy the British Empire.

also, this really is alternate history

 
So Ram is pretty much a modern reincarnation of Rama, right. Like spiritually if not literally. He and Bheem are going to double handedly destroy the British Empire.

also, this really is alternate history

The British somehow have Brazil, Ethiopia, Libya, and Congo(?) but not New Zealand, Belize, South Africa, or Guyana. I guess the Scramble for Africa took some odd turns and God knows what happened with colonialism in the New World.
 

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Speaking of Indian shows, I watched those two horror miniseries, Ghoul and Betaal.

In the former, India is a dictatorship with numerous black sites where dissidents are tortured and then executed. There’s also, as the name of the series implies, a shape shifting entity— the ghoul from Arabic mythology— which can be summoned and set to a task by carrying out a sacrifice to it. Given that the show ends with the lead actress preparing to summon the ghoul again, it is a creature which apparently can only be temporarily killed. There really isn’t mention of the outside world in the miniseries, but India going full on authoritarian would have repercussions both in the region and as far as how the superpowers of the US and China view it.

In the latter, while the fact that an elite Indian paramilitary unit was being bribed to carry our atrocities against innocent villagers so that
land developers could take their land would cause a massive scandal, it would be overshadowed by the fact that vast armies of undead British soldiers are attacking India as a inadvertent result of the main character’s actions.
 
Age of Empires IIII has some weird implications. The third act of the campaign has companies bidding for the contract to build the transcontinental railroad, while Simon Bolivar is fighting the Spanish. The U.S. Army also skirmishes with Mexicans, along the Rio Grande judging by the campaign map. The second act also had an Imperial Russian army marching to attack the Thirteen Colonies during the Seven Years War, across the Rockies, no less.
 
Age of Empires IIII has some weird implications. The third act of the campaign has companies bidding for the contract to build the transcontinental railroad, while Simon Bolivar is fighting the Spanish. The U.S. Army also skirmishes with Mexicans, along the Rio Grande judging by the campaign map. The second act also had an Imperial Russian army marching to attack the Thirteen Colonies during the Seven Years War, across the Rockies, no less.
Also the whole skirmish over the actual Fountain of Youth...
 
Also the whole skirmish over the actual Fountain of Youth...
The U.S. also lands troops in Cuba to finish off the Circle of Ossus at the end. That might not go over to well with Spain, to say the least. Speaking of which, a secret society obsessed with the Fountain of Youth (and possibly world conquest, their goals aren't very clear) has been manipulating events from behind the scenes the whole time.
 
The U.S. also lands troops in Cuba to finish off the Circle of Ossus at the end. That might not go over to well with Spain, to say the least. Speaking of which, a secret society obsessed with the Fountain of Youth (and possibly world conquest, their goals aren't very clear) has been manipulating events from behind the scenes the whole time.
There was also the Knights of Malta going to the New World and fighting not just the Ottoman Admiral that pursued them, but also pirates and the Spanish. The Spanish are going to be irate as the Maltese Knights not only fought the Spanish forces but robbed the Spanish treasure fleet also.
 
Anime is full of this, with prominent examples such as:

-To Love Ru: Aliens really exist and live among us. Mischief of all kinds occurs.

-Cat Planet Cuties: The secret of American advanced technology is that they actually buy second hand weapons from space Russia (Dogisia). Plus we get a space elevator in Okinawa sometime in the 2000s. And there are alien-worshipping cults running around. Did I already mention that the USFJ is infiltrated by secret organizations that have been killing anyone who doesn't look "properly alien" to them, and is implied to be backed by the United States?

-Kono Yo No Hate I don't remember the rest of the title: Japan has been repeatedly visited by what I can only describe as Atlantean space elves. Also, at the very least Japan uses a different number system than the rest of the world (implied to be the one used by the "Atlantean space elves"). There are no mentions of geopolitics but it is implied that there was at least one equivalent to World War II (or at least Japan fought a war sometime in the 1940s).

-Higurashi ni Naku Koro Ni: Hinamizawa Syndrome caused the incident that ended in the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Japanese government has been covering it up to not admit any responsibility. (I must note that this surprised me because I'm sick of people complaining that anime glorifies the Japanese Empire, and here the remnants of the Imperial administration are seen as corrupt government infiltrators willing to lie, kill and generally commit crimes to get away with it)

-Lum Invader: Aliens contacted us in 1987...they tried to conquer Earth and failed. Now his princess wants to marry a Japanese. And there are aliens visiting us. (Seriously, I get that it's not the point of the plot, but I have a really hard time believing that the society of Japan, and Earth, is still in "business as usual" mode after almost being invaded by aliens.)
 
Monster has this insanely convoluted plot

Where the main antagonist who's implied to be the Antichrist/Hitler's reincarnation was born as a resulf of a eugenics program to create "the ultimate aryan to lead us all" except the project was czech instead of german but thats okay because he ended up in a orphanage in East Germany... somehow, where he was raised to be the perfect soldier in a "children fight to the death" kind of environment

All which would cause a massive political scandal each
But there's more, there's even a neonazi organization solely dedicated to trying to get this guy to get in power in Germany to create the Fourth Reich and he does get pretty far in power

But instead of wanting Nazism 2 electric boogaloo he decides he wants to instead cause human extinction to be the only one left alive? Makes sense I guess since he's supposed to be "Ultimate Aryan".tm but rather than nukes he just wants to do that with words? Again, Antichrist powers so maybe its that
However then he gives up on all that and just wants to kill himself after erasing all data on his person to say he had the perfect suicide?

Series is nuts

So if we assume he failed, because realistic he should have the whole backstory of the main character who's going up against him is that he saved him from a shoot to the head that by all accounts should have killed him on the spot, then all that shit would pop up right around the nighties and the international reaction would sure be akward
 

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Some of the newer Clancy novels have some pretty interesting potential PODs.

Against All Enemies: One of the largest philanthropists and businessmen in Mexico, a potential presidential candidate, is revealed to be running the country’s largest drug cartel. The Taliban successfully carry out attacks on US airliners with SAMs,; the very fact they were in contact with the cartels at all, and used cartel tunnels to enter the US, is going to cause a lot of hysteria and an even greater focus on the southern border.

Commander In Chief: Totally-Not-Putin orchestrates a string of false flag terrorist attacks to help boost Russia‘s oil profits and invades Lithuania. The US, Poland and Sweden thwart the plan and Not-Putin is overthrown by a cabal of industrialists and military officers for failing to improve Russia‘s prestige and profits. It would lead to a much more cautious Russia internationally after not-Putin’s schemes repeatedly failed to work out.

True Faith and Allegiance: A Romanian hacker gets his hands on a database of personal information on US intelligence agents and military personnel. The Chinese hire him to locate US spies in their country, but he goes behind their back and winds up auctioning off info on high intel targets, which a Saudi financier provides to ISIS in order to goad the US into a large scale ground deployment in the Middle East. Another string of high profile ISIS hits in the US would provide them with additional recruits— probably not enough to change their defeat, by enough to make it somewhat harder to drive them back. There’d be a lot more emphasis on personal information security here in the US as well.

Duty and Honor: A German PMC carrying out terrorist attacks and economic sabotage on behalf of various companies in order to fund an off the books war against “terrorism” would lead to much stricter scrutiny and oversight over contractors.

Line of Sight: There‘s a narrowly foiled attempt by Al Qaeda(supported by the Turkish ambassador to Bosnia) to cause a world war between the US and Russia by causing tensions in the Balkans to erupt into outright war: the Al Qaeda forces steal a bunch of thermobaric warheads from a Russian armory in Syria to help carry out the plan. The Turkish ambassador being heavily involved in the plot is going to be very embarrassing for Ankara, and the fact that the string of attacks on different ethnic groups in Bosnia were revealed to be false flag attacks carried out by Al Qaeda might help stabilize the country somewhat.

Also, does anyone else find it bizarre that even after the US was hit by a dirty bomb in The Sum Of All Fears that 9/11 still happened? You’d think the US would have had massively improved security protocols in place after being hit by an attack which, occurring during the Super Bowl, would be immensely nationally traumatizing— far more so than 9/11, to be honest.
 
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Okay so what if Die Hard happens. Just a massive terrorist attack with government failure at every level. Relatively low kill count but massive property damage and LAPD and FBI forces completely devastated
 
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