Alt-History Aftermath Scenarios Implied by Media

This is a very interesting idea, actually. Who would the kids be raised by?
If we stick to their logic - parents that resemble Adolf's to recreate his childhood and traumas
That likely wouldnt go as they intended
A more effective scenario would be to target women of wealthy and influential backgrounds but that would bring too much attention to them and they likely dont have enough resources to pull that off anyway
Most likely scenario - they take over some orphanages of poor neighbourhoods and use them to mold their "leaders" and conduct the social experiment as they intended, like the plot of Monster
 
You'd think a Hitler clone would have a harder time becoming a totalitarian dictator than anyone else, because everyone would be expecting them to do that and preemptively sabotaging any attempts at such ambitions.
 
You'd think a Hitler clone would have a harder time becoming a totalitarian dictator than anyone else, because everyone would be expecting them to do that and preemptively sabotaging any attempts at such ambitions.
I think the point is that no one would know they're Hitler clones


...which makes little sense when they would look like exact replicas of him

But yeah this is why I think making them Hitler's children instead with a 50/50 mixture would work better than literal clonning
 
Another set of brazilian series that would result in huge implications

Castelo Ratimbum & Ilha Ratimbum
Both originals made by the channel TV Cultura which in my opinion takes place in the same universe

The former being a Harry Potter kind of story and the later a Lost type of one

However both precede their counterparts(released in 1994 and 2002 respectively)

In Castle Ratimbum we have Nino(a reference to "menino", portuguese for boy, like the spanish "nino") a 300 years old young boy with no friends living at a magical castle in the city of São Paulo who so happens to be a immortal wizard raised by his uncle Victor and aunt Morgana(yes, THAT Morgan), both of whom are thousands of years old(former in the low thousand and the later in the dozens) and are acquainted with historical figures such as Cleopatra, King Arthur and Leonardo Da Vinci

The later of which was a close friend of Victor who visited the Castle many times in Brazil implying that the wizard had a hold of the New World long before the europeans ever found it

The series itself has a "Renaissance-punk" feeling to it, with many outdated inventions(specially Leonardo's) not only being present in the castle but still being functional, working just as good if not better than their counterparts thanks to magic

The magic of the series itself seems to take a soft approach commonly found in children's shows, you see your average talking animals, flying brooms and the occasional shapeshifting but nothing too spectacular, with the main characters still being vulnerable to the whims of the government seeing when the castle was about to get sold they almost became homeless

That said Victor can still summon thunderstorms every time he gets pissed off and Morgana is even stronger than him, plus the immortality, so that may be that they are purposelly holding back to respect the lawful authorities of the country they're in

The movie takes this a step further with the wizards seemingly derivating their magical prowess from the solar system itself and being a planetary threat should they choose to tap into it when the planets align, which they dont but the villain tried to

Unlike the villain of the series itself who was just a goofball estate agent with a doctorate called "Pompey Pompi Pompous"(quickly nicknamed "Doctor Pumpkin" Sonic the Hedgehog-style) whose childhood dream and sole goal was to tear down the castle with no regard to it's historical & magical value, wanting to build 100-floors tall brazilian Empire State Building in the city of São Paulo

In reality however he was just lonely and amazed at the sheer wonder that was the castle, but felt rejected by it and the main cast making him resent it and motivating his financial ambitions that he atempts to accomplish using Team Rocket-style disguises

Lastly the series features the existence of extradimensional but pacifistic aliens such as Etvaldo and nature-loving brazilian mythology beings such as Caipora

Then we go to Island Ratimbum

The series has a group of teenagers be caught in a sea storm and end in a mysterious isle full of - once again - talking animals, as well as curses, lizardmen and hair people

Yeah its weird

What is more of note however is that the island is guarded by a historical figure, the roman philosopher Hypatia who not only survived her historical death but fleed the Roman Empire to preserve her knowledge from Ancient Egypt, ending up in this mysterious isle in the coast of Brazil

She is of course immortal, possibly having been tutored by Cleo herself(which would have meant she was born way earlier than IOTL) and has her own set of powers like casually turning someone into a tree, extending the life of a creature that should already be dead and - if she's pissed off enough - go full reality warper as seen in her fight with the main antagonist where they broke through dimensions and casually reshaped the fabric of the universe on a whim while trying to kill off each other(though she arguably held back because she still cared about him in the end) like some SCP Foundation shit putting the aforementioned wizards to shame, which makes sense considering she should be far more ancient than Morgana ever was

The main antagonist, the demonic ruler of the island, is himself is rather "interesting" in the chinese sense of the word

Arielibã as he was originally known was her student and partner whom she taught almost everything once she came to the isle, working with her to discover the secrets of the universe and serve the will of Nature/Magic itself

However his misanthropy eventually led to their relationship falling apart once he became obsessed with using his knowledge of microorganism and sorcery to create a new "perfect" lifeform that is less destructive and more powerful than humans, seeking to replace humanity with them in the long run

Yeah it was a metaphor for eugenics

And as such Hypatia interfered trying to stop him and end his madness, which resulted in his project backfiring with his own creation - a sentient bacteria powered by magic - to possess his body and adquire his power, being fueled by his pure hatred for humanity that is only kept in check by the fact he needed Hypatia to keep him alive since his form wasnt self-sustainable and in a permanent state of decay due to his extremely short lifespan

Now under the name of Nefasto

(Yeah its silly but its a show for kids whose most of the non-human characters are Sesame Street-style puppets)

This of course till the main cast comes in and he uses them as leverage against her to get what he wants while he prepares to wipe humanity out

Long before that however he had been using his sorcery and the isle itself as a beacon to mind control human politicians he took inspiration from, seeing it as the most effective way to destroy humanity by making it turns against itself with one of said politicians being implied to have been Hitler...

You know, kid's show

The only reason that a nuclear apocalypse hasnt happened yet being that Hypatia has purposelly kept him from going all out, making so that almost every political tragedy and catasthrophe that happened after Hypatia's OTL death being either directly caused by him or at least being influenced by him and all of them were him holding back

Yet still being humanity's own fault in the end considering that Arielibã prior to meeting Hypatia and gaining her knowledge of humanity was a good man of pure heart

Of course, with him being even more powerful than her and easily capable of reshaping multiple realities to his will only God knows what he'll do in the end after having gained these children as leverage and beat her to make himself truly immortal


He dies, duh, the main characters through her sacrifice manage to deal a lethal hit to him in the end, killing him in the most fitting way - with medicine - and as Nefasto became Arielibã again he passed away in guilt apologising for everything he had done urging the youth to do better

Though now with both him and Hypatia gone there's no one keeping the island a secret and even though most of it's magic was lost(or killed) in the end some still did survive and all those secrets were now open to the world to see in the early 2000s


In short - Pandora's box is open and my childhood shows were awesome
 
in the movie In the Mouth of Madness; "radio announces that the world has been overrun with monstrous creatures, including mutating humans, and that outbreaks of suicide and mass murder are commonplace."
but if the books was sold in USA, perhaps in some western countries, it shouldn´t be in all the world
 
"Vogliamo i Colonnelli" ("We Want the Colonels") is a quite well-known 1973 Italian tragicomedy, openly spoofing to some extent the attempted coup by Junio Valerio Borghese (for that, see the Wikipedia entry) which had recently come to light, but also incorporating facts that happened sometime later.
The movie follows the story of a petty politician (Tritoni) member of a fictional party called "La Grande Destra" ("The Great Right"), apparently worried by Communism being on the rise, plotting to topple the Italian parliamentary republic and rise to power by installing in its place a far-right dictatorship, and his attempts to put together a ragtag bunch of allies from high places (all of which are hopeless and goofy caricatures and more worried about their mundane interests) in order to execute the plans.

All comedy aside, this starts with some of his henchmen pulling off a false-flag attack by blowing up the statue of the Virgin Mary atop of the Duomo of Milan, which is blamed by pretty much everyone on some nondescript far-left extremists.
Later he gets in contact with an old disgraced general who was himself part of another attempted coup back in 1968 (which never happened in real life, but may or may not be a nod to the Piano Solo) and was discharged for that, in order to get a list of the military officers who took part in the plot back then and convince them to get on board in the plans. An industrial magnate is also persuaded to provide material for the whole operation, with the help of some intelligence blackmailing.
Eventually the group of plotters gets in contact with the second-in-charge of the secret services from the "young but already well accomplished" Greek military junta, which (seemingly) is willing to give them support and endorsement for their coup in Italy, and (seemingly) is willing to provide them asylum in Greece just in case the coup will ever fail.

Anyway, the coup plot is always one step close to failing.
Many of the important military contacts in the list inevitably turn out to be a bunch of oafs (if not ailing geriatrics by this point). Their private meeting in a beachside villa with the Greek Junta envoy gets casually caught by a literal paparazzi and the secret is passed along to a friend politician, at first to his skepticism, and gets almost publicly disclosed. From that, infos of the coup gets eventually revealed some hours in advance to a few members of the other political parties (Socialists, Communists, Christian Democrats, in a typical 70s Italy's style) and, in turn, told to the Ministry of the Interior.
In the end, regardless, the plotters and their militia still manage to launch their takeover of the transportation facilities and the national television headquarters, but the mission is marred with embarrassing failures.
Notably, first their transceivers mistakenly pick up the wavelength of the radio shack of some guy playing chess on-radio, and they mistake the chess moves as the paratrooping coordinates. Then, when they finally get to take over the TV headquarters, they come in so late that they get told that the daily broadcast has long since ended and there is nobody with a television turned on to possibly listen to the announcement speech they had worked so hard to prepare (an objective in the planned Borghese coup as well, it should be noted). Only the invasion from sea on the summer residence of the President of the Republic is half-successful, but is soon stopped by the police coming in from behind.
The plotters are all found and arrested, the plot is foiled, and everyone is brought before the President of the Republic.
There, the Ministry of the Interior reveals the whole story -- but, warning about the reaction that the Left is going have in response to these facts, asks the President for his resignation, the dissolution of the Parliament members, and the institution of a technocratic government for the time being to weather the crisis. The situation gets heated as the President refuses, Tritoni steals a grenade threatening to toss it, and the President dies killed by a heart attack ("the obstacle has been overcome on its own", the Ministry of the Interior comments).

News roll in about the change of government (to which the leader of the "La Grande Destra" party throws all his support, among others), with the reassurance that new elections will come in once the situation will be normalized.
One year later and, in a twist of events, the newscasts celebrate instead the first anniversary of the newborn police-state regime with a parade of the army on the capital in honor of the "recently regained order and discipline".
Meanwhile, Tritoni, excluded from all this, is seen making business deals at a bar table with some emissaries from some African state to sell his infallible "overnight coup" plan (the most important thing being the takeover of the national TV station to broadcast the announcement, he says, but when he gets informed that the African country is so backwater it has no television or radio networks, he advises that they must make do with broadcasting the proclamation to the country via telephone to everyone...).
 
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Cloverfield is one that's long intrigued me - giant monster (implied to be some deep-sea Lovecraftian entity awoken by deep sea drilling) crawls out of the sea on May 22 2008 and rampages through Manhattan, kills thousands, and the following day the military finally kills it and Manhattan with a nuclear weapon. The socio-cultural consequences of something like that are too many to really fathom
 
Indiana Jones series
I wonder if more countries other than the US, Germany, and the Soviet Union (in Crystal Skull) will have their own Archeologist/Treasure Hunter divisions for locating artifacts of power, or in the US's case, making sure those artifacts do not fall into the wrong hands. Some of these artifacts are sufficiently powerful that they would warrant international attention.
 
Cloverfield is one that's long intrigued me - giant monster (implied to be some deep-sea Lovecraftian entity awoken by deep sea drilling) crawls out of the sea on May 22 2008 and rampages through Manhattan, kills thousands, and the following day the military finally kills it and Manhattan with a nuclear weapon. The socio-cultural consequences of something like that are too many to really fathom
And then they find out what they killed was just the baby
 
Cloverfield is one that's long intrigued me - giant monster (implied to be some deep-sea Lovecraftian entity awoken by deep sea drilling) crawls out of the sea on May 22 2008 and rampages through Manhattan, kills thousands, and the following day the military finally kills it and Manhattan with a nuclear weapon. The socio-cultural consequences of something like that are too many to really fathom
I thought they used a JDAM, is it canon that they used a nuke??
 
I thought they used a JDAM, is it canon that they used a nuke??
The canon keeps it deliberately ambiguous what was used - but my presumption is that a low-yield nuke was used partly because that would more justify the obfuscation and also because that just sounds more Hollywood. The fact that wide areas of New York including Battery Park, Central Park, and Coney Island are referred to by serial numbers and their actual names are just "former" names indicates an area of destruction which only a nuke would achieve.
 
The canon keeps it deliberately ambiguous what was used - but my presumption is that a low-yield nuke was used partly because that would more justify the obfuscation and also because that just sounds more Hollywood. The fact that wide areas of New York including Battery Park, Central Park, and Coney Island are referred to by serial numbers and their actual names are just "former" names indicates an area of destruction which only a nuke would achieve.
Would fit into many Hollywood misconceptions about the Military and Weaponry in general, as well as the overall foresight and lacking of any view that the Public Image and PR of the Military would be non-existing afterwards and anyone giving such orders to nuke a own city would no longer be anywhere in the command structure afterwards, I've seen what happens when such things are only suggested on planning paper sometimes and let me tell you people people lost jobs even if things didn't go public and they never returned (while not outright being fired ) anyone would know better then to do so in RL, no matter what kind of strange monster, alien ship showed up and any such creatures are also way to large to not be picked up by anything before arriving on Earth/ Surface, let alone any larger city.
 
The Day the Earth Caught Fire: In this movie, USA and USSR detonate the world biggest nuclear bombs at the same time and manage to tilt the world 11 degrees 'eastwards' from previous which destabilises the Earth's orbit. It is told from the POV of two newspaper men in London. Its very, very good.

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The ending is ambiguous if the world is saved by an even bigger bomb, but it is implied it is. However the tilt of the world is likely not reverted, meaning nature and people will have t get used to a very different equator, seasonal zones, tides, etc etc.
 
The Day the Earth Caught Fire: In this movie, USA and USSR detonate the world biggest nuclear bombs at the same time and manage to tilt the world 11 degrees 'eastwards' from previous which destabilises the Earth's orbit. It is told from the POV of two newspaper men in London. Its very, very good.

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The ending is ambiguous if the world is saved by an even bigger bomb, but it is implied it is. However the tilt of the world is likely not reverted, meaning nature and people will have t get used to a very different equator, seasonal zones, tides, etc etc.
@B_Munro this sounds like a great scenario you could put your spin on for the ASB Settings thread :D
 
@B_Munro this sounds like a great scenario you could put your spin on for the ASB Settings thread :D

I have thought about it: the main problem is figuring out how to draw the new equatorial line (which IIRC goes quite close if not actually through Britain) and figure out the resulting climates.
 
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The Day the Earth Caught Fire: In this movie, USA and USSR detonate the world biggest nuclear bombs at the same time and manage to tilt the world 11 degrees 'eastwards' from previous which destabilises the Earth's orbit. It is told from the POV of two newspaper men in London. Its very, very good.

MdvNwhH.png

7IVSmWF.png

The ending is ambiguous if the world is saved by an even bigger bomb, but it is implied it is. However the tilt of the world is likely not reverted, meaning nature and people will have t get used to a very different equator, seasonal zones, tides, etc etc.
And finally know the name of that film! Was show on Channel 4 in the afternoon a lot when I was a kid.
 
Indiana Jones series
I wonder if more countries other than the US, Germany, and the Soviet Union (in Crystal Skull) will have their own Archeologist/Treasure Hunter divisions for locating artifacts of power, or in the US's case, making sure those artifacts do not fall into the wrong hands. Some of these artifacts are sufficiently powerful that they would warrant international attention.
Maybe China, Japan, England; this last having a large empire, it should have known a lot stories of powerful devices
Even in the US, they are in not the good hands
 
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