Alt. Hist. German Infantry Weapons and Equipment

I understand that this has probably been done before, but given my intense interest in the Second World War, I would just like to get some feedback:

If the Germans had won world war 2, let's say around 1943-44, by the early 1950's, how much would the weapons and equipment of the German Landser have changed?

Specifically:
What would the uniform be like; would there be a more widespread use of camouflage? Would the Heer have adopted the M44 stahlhelm (despite Hitler's insistence that it was to foreign), or would they have gravitated more towards something like the East German stahlhelm, i.e. the M45? Also, how would the Germans exploit infrared technology?

Would the Germans have developed their own versions of the American 'Handie-Talkie' and 'Walkie-Talkie' (which the Germans were very impressed with)? I also know that by the late 1940's OTL, German scientists had developed a transistor; could this have come into play?

Would the Germans try to replace the MG 42; either with something that was cheaper and had higher rate of fire like the MG 45, or with something more high quality, like the OTL Swiss MG 51?

How far would the German's have taken the development of assault rifles? I've heard from some discussions that the 7.92x33mm Kurz round was just a stop gap, and that the Germans were planning to replace it with a 6.5 or 6.8mm intermediate round when the war ended; could anyone shed some light on these planned rounds, and possible weapons that would have chambered them?

What direction would infantry anti-tank weapons have taken? would they have continued down the path of the Panzerschreck, or would they have developed a re-useable Panzerfaust weapon (i.e. the Panzerfaust 250)?

In terms of heavier firepower, how would the Germans make use of grenade launchers, mortars and recoilless weapons? Would we also see exploitation of ATGM's, like the wire guided X7 and the infrared guided Rochen?

Where would the Germans go in terms of grenades? would they stick with the stick grenade, or would they begin to gravitate more towards the eirhandgranate design?

I know this seems like a tall order, but any feedback would be greatly appreciated!:D
 
You basically have 3 different armies in Nazi Germany. You have the regular Heer, the Waffen SS, and the Luftwaffe. All 3 have ground troops that they would be equiping to their own standards. I can see the Luft and SS going the camo uniform route because their troops were using different type and styles of uniforms in WW2. As to the rest it would depend on who was able to get what share of the pie from Speer.
 

Kongzilla

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A few different directions really. They'll be the main producer of weapons and equipment for their client states so weapons like the Panzerfaust 250 and RPG will be sold to them.

Some Bundeswehr camo was an advancement of WW2 camo so they might look similar.
 
How about the MG 42? Would th Germans try to replace it, or atleast tinker with the design?

It remains in widespread service with only limited modifications (conversion to 7.62 NATO and rail system). I believe it would see continued widespread use until something better comes along.
 
The fact that the MG-42's direct descendant, the MG3 is phased out by the Bundeswehr only as we speak and exchanged for the HK MG4 and MG121 IOTL should tell you that there is not much in the design that could be improved.

Well, apart from its weight, ergonomics (there is absolutely no way to carry the damn thing without some fucking protrusion poking you somewhere) and the barrel exchange system :D
 
How about these 6.5 and 6.8mm rounds the Germans had 'planned' to replace the 7.92x33mm Kurz? I've been unable to find any information about them! I was thinking perhaps a 6.5mm intermediate round akin to the 6.5mm Grendel, based off the 6.5x68mm Schuler round, which was used in hunting rifles. It had better ballistic performance than the 7.92x57mm Mauser round, but did not have the stopping power.

any thoughts?
 

NothingNow

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How about these 6.5 and 6.8mm rounds the Germans had 'planned' to replace the 7.92x33mm Kurz? I've been unable to find any information about them! I was thinking perhaps a 6.5mm intermediate round akin to the 6.5mm Grendel, based off the 6.5x68mm Schuler round, which was used in hunting rifles. It had better ballistic performance than the 7.92x57mm Mauser round, but did not have the stopping power.

any thoughts?

Well, it doesn't need to be better than 8mm Mauser, just a better intermediate round than 7.92x33mm Kurtz and in a more reliable weapon (the StG 44 was a terrible design, so a G/K43 derivative might end up replacing it if the StG 45(M) doesn't.)

A 6.5 by maybe 42mm round would be a very effective, light cartridge useful for pretty much everything, and should have very good ballistics.
8mm Mauser would continue to be the standard MG and marksman cartridge of course.
 

Kongzilla

Banned
Was the STG-45 actually any good.

I'm interested in the rocket technology though. Would we see shoulder mounted anti tank guided missiles or successful air to air and atgm stuff.
 
@ Kongzilla

The Germans would probably field ATGM's, either of the "Rotkappchen" or "Rochen" type. As for MANPADS weapons, unless of course the Germans can develop some Proximity fuse small enough to fit onto the 30mm shells of a 'fliegerfaust' rocket launcher, or use just one, large warhead, I think the Germans will stick with towed and self propelled light flak guns (i.e. 37mm Flak 43).
 
Bump! How about radio technology? does anyone have any info on soe planned, late war models? and what about the prospects of a transistor?
 

Kongzilla

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Bump! How about radio technology? does anyone have any info on soe planned, late war models? and what about the prospects of a transistor?

The transistor would be used in anything it could. Since it was developed at the same time as the american one.

I don't think the MG-42v would be invented since if the USSR is defeated 43-44ish the material shortages would be sorted. Although it might still come about for the pan european forces.
 
@Uruk

So, the MG42V would've been something similar, in this case, to the Rheinmetall MG 60:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_MG60

Basicly a West German MG45: Lighter than the MG42, cheaper, used the same action as the MG45, but wasn't made with the same low quality materials as the MG45.

They would probably add a heavier bolt, to reduce the high rate of fire to something more manageable (i.e. between 900 and 1200 rounds per minute).
 
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May have a break through on the MANPADS front:
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/flugabwehrwaffen-R.htm

Mention is made in this article of a triple tube, man portable 73mm surface to air rocket launcher, the Hand Fohn, or Hand Dryer, that was similar, at least in concept, to the Fliegerfaust/Luftfaust. It would've made use of the 73mm RZ 73 spin stabilized rocket; were the rockets to be equipped with proximity fuses (entirely possible, given that the Germans were developing some, and that the Americans experimented successfully with equipping 81mm mortar rounds with them, as well as actually equipping 3inch (76mm) AA gun shells and 60mm mortar rounds with proximity fuses), this weapon IMO could've been an effective weapon. equipped with some sort of AA sight (I'm thinking a smaller version of the Anglo-American Stiffkey sight), it would also be reasonably accurate.

Unfortunately, I've been able to find precious little info, or pictures. If anyone has any info on this design, it would be much appreciated. In terms of how the weapon looked, it could bear some vague resemblance to the triple barreled panzerschreck from Turning point: fall of liberty, as well as the triple panzerschreck that the Germans actually developed OTL.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/a...g-point-fall-of-liberty-20070615113325902.jpg
http://www.go2war2.nl/artikel-afb/panzerschreck_00691_3g.jpg
 

Kongzilla

Banned
Cool beans. I could imagine Germany and potentially Europe becoming Moscow in the 80's with the amount of air defenses around the place.
 
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