Alsace-Lorraine in the Congress of Vienna

Sumeragi

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Okay, here's a thought: Talleyrand's plan for splitting up the Kingdom of the Netherlands comes up this early, and that serves as a basis for compensation with the loss of Alsace, and maybe even including Lorraine.

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Okay, here's a thought: Talleyrand's plan for splitting up the Kingdom of the Netherlands comes up this early, and that serves as a basis for compensation with the loss of Alsace, and maybe even including Lorraine.

Thisplan is a reaction to the situation after the Belgian revolt and not relevant during Vienna. If something like that happened (France getting compensation for the loss of the Alsace), I doubt a independent Antwerp would be formed. As the British wanted to avoid that the Flemish coast, Atwerp and Brussels remained French, the best solution was to give it to the Netherlands (as the Austrians didn't want it back and the Prussians didn't care for it and got a lot of other territory as compansation), which also as boon meant creating a relatively strong country north of France.

An independent Antwerp would mean a weak country north of France, which probably could easily be annexed by France, which for a large part surrounds it. Als it would mean the Netherlands losing some parts that had been Dutch for a long while before the French revolution (zeelandic Flanders and Limburg). Also I doubt they want to give France part of the southern Netherlands (which barely had been French in the first place), at the same time as they take away part of France (which had been French for quite a while).

I think the best case for an independent Alsace (with or without part of Lorraine) would be if they decide to punish France harder than they did OTL. Because Napoleon wins at Waterloo and creates chaos for a couple of months longer (rather unlikely as most decisions in Vienna were made before Waterloo), because there are some butterflies at the end of the Napoleonic wars leading to more anger towards France (and possibly its allies, like Saxony and Bavaria, which could be interesting in a ATL Congress of Vienna) or maybe butterfly away/kill Talleyrand.
 

Sumeragi

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Also I doubt they want to give France part of the southern Netherlands (which barely had been French in the first place), at the same time as they take away part of France (which had been French for quite a while).
As I posted on the last page, I was thinking of trade-off between Austria and France where Austrian South Netherlands is switched with Alsace. As for Flanders, most likely will just be part of the Netherlands.


I think the best case for an independent Alsace (with or without part of Lorraine) would be if they decide to punish France harder than they did OTL. Because Napoleon wins at Waterloo and creates chaos for a couple of months longer (rather unlikely as most decisions in Vienna were made before Waterloo), because there are some butterflies at the end of the Napoleonic wars leading to more anger towards France (and possibly its allies, like Saxony and Bavaria, which could be interesting in a ATL Congress of Vienna) or maybe butterfly away/kill Talleyrand.
Good idea.
 
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