Allies win faster in North Africa:

Bright side for whom? If the Allies are that bogged down in Italy they're not going to be reaching the Rhine or Germany itself any time soon, but the Soviets will be quite well-off. :eek: If Germany starts taking hits on its military capability strong enough to aid the USSR at the right time for it but the wrong time for the UK and the USA.....

In anycase, things are going to become alot more grim for everyone wether they be winner or loser.

Of course, Stalin and Hitler will think little of it; they have "agenda's" to work on after all.....
 
This is one of my all-time favorite historical PODs, and one we've discussed on here before. My main point of interest is in just what Britain will do if they capture NA this early... go on an island hopping campaign in the Med?

Heh. Did that :)

The British aren't going to try and take anything big like Sicily for a while, they dont have the landing craft. They can certainly nibble away at the Dodecanese (depends a bit if they hold Crete or not).
They can also start sending the planned reinforcements (including modern aiircraft) to the Far East, which isn't going to help Japan.
 
Trapping the Army of Tunis leeched the Germans and Italians some 230,000 men who consequently became POW. If those men are still in Italy and Sicily, how will Operation Huskey perform considering the lack of cooperation among the Allied leaders IOTL?
That's assuming those troops stay there, but IMO they won't, or at least not all of them, some will inevitably get shifted to Barbarossa.
 
I am assuming the weather is unchangeable. It would take a real push to make it to Tunis before winter. Two absolute changes would be necessary. One, Monty would have to overcome his case of the slows. Two, Fredenthal remains a Colonel back in the States. Still would be a 50/50 shot in my opinion. Assuming it happened you would see Husky in the spring rather than September. I don’t see a cross Channel invasion.
 
With better british use of resources, the brits could have wiped out rommels force in the Cauldron, at the battle of Gazala.

Especially if rommel is killed or captured, the brits could quite possibly reach the borders of tunis before torch is scheduled to start. At which point vichy north africa has some interesting decisions to make. My guess is that theyd become purely neutral, rather than axisleaning, and hope long talks about their fate. With no german or italian troops in africa, torch doesnt go ahead. Possibly those us troops are used for an earlier Husky. Say.
 
Your proposing a quicker victory in exchange for a prolonged war?

Trapping the Army of Tunis leeched the Germans and Italians some 230,000 men who consequently became POW. If those men are still in Italy and Sicily, how will Operation Huskey perform considering the lack of cooperation among the Allied leaders IOTL?

The faster the Allies take North Africa, the harder it will be to invade Italy, and the forthcoming D-Day.

On the brightside, the Allies will have all the time in the world to set up strategic bombers for earlier operations on the Romanian oilfields.

Yes thats what I do ;)
 

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In france fights on the italians are crushed as early as October 1940, and war in North Africa is over.
Yet that doesn't prevent Allied victory (late '44) because most of the fighting is just displaced to Greece and the balkans.
 
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