I'm trying to get a timeline together for an AH where trotsky managed to trump and exile stalin shortly after lenins death ....although the communest movement manages to find a few allies in western europe like spain, checkoslaviakia ( who fears germany) and after portugal intervenes in the spanish civil war in 37 and is defeated by general listers tactics (a nod to dr. strangelove) the soviet union gaines access to the portugese colonys
however, even though the communest movements in western countrys has given him influence and a good spy network, the measures taken by the right-wing anti-communest goverments (paticularly nazi germany) make the possibility of a full communest takeover of any western european nation unlikely.
instead,trotsky looks overseas tones down his communist retoric and turns up his anti-colonialist retoric.....he sends heavy weapons and "advisors" to the king of ethiopea in the late 20's on, dettering the italians from invading and giveing him an ally in africa to suplement the portugese bases he gains later
pro sovet goverments come to power in brazil,el salvidor and lator chile...marxist insurgencys spring up all across latin america...leftist groups dominate the mexican goverment....in the middle east soviet aid and intrigue wins over afganistan and baseing rights....in persia soviet suintrige leads to a friendly goverment in 33...which is overthrown by the british...which is reinstalled by a counter-counter revolution in 38...also the russians are organizing and covertly supporting a " arab liberation army" and a "kurdish liberation army" to unleash lator
in asia either trotsky manages to faucilitate a deal between the nationalists and the communests (which i would perfer,maybe it would happen without chiang) or gives the commies such massive support that they take complete control by 34 (unlikely) or some wierd alternative that leaves a china with a strong goverment with indutrilization and expansion on it's mind...russia intervenes in manchuria in a short ,indesiceve but bloody war...the soviets get the northern half of manchuria which they hand over to china and the japs keep a few proverinces in the south. siam becomes a secret ally with it's eyes on prtions of french indochina
the soviets are also covertly organizing and supporting communest and non communest native resetance groups around the world from india,much of africa,vietnam,malasia,indonisia, etc...baseicly the anti colonyal movement is at otl'smid to late 1950's levels in 1938
And most importantly trotsky puts more empthises on the navy since peter the great over a 10 year period...the fleet is much larger then otl but still meager compaired to the top navy's...however there tactics and stratigy are well worked out
the stratigy is not the traditional one of trying to slug it out against the supeirior western navys...but one based on speed,moility and range...there main goal is to cause chaos and support revolutions in the colonys....they are organized in fast compact battle groups comprized of pocket-battleships aircraft carries ,crusers destroyes and submarines, and most importantly of all at the core aretransports full of fuel,supplys,commandos and marines
the warships task is to protect these transports and sail the world engageing enemy navys only when it has to,disrupting shipping and launching marine raids to capture ports with supplys and unload commando's and advisors to support local gurrilla movements...also the entire navy is designed to be able to go up and hide in rivers ( which will play vital roles in the african,asian and south american campagn
once the "allies" gang-up on the soviets and there "liberation movement"allies the match will be lit for an explosion of anti-colonial upriseings around the world. italy will use this as an oppurtuneity to invade a "red," ethiopea, however hali sesee is EXTREMLY well armned turning the war into a bloody grniding war of attrition where millons of ethiopeans and houndreds of thousands of italians die. argentina will go to war with brazil and chile, hondorus and nicuragua will invade the fort nation elsavador only to get booged down in a nasty occupation while faceing insurgents in there own country...makeing this truely a "world war"
In my mind the war happens in late 38 when germany attempts to annex chekoslavkia with the soviet union as the only one willing to stand up for her...germany,hungary and poland invade slovakia and the soviet union retaliates by invading poland and sending troops fighting there way to slovakia ,france and briton stand at the side lines gleefully watching to loathed enemys pound on each other...however after a year of war, it looks like the sheer weight as well as tactical/stratigic brilliance of the russian army (no purges ) is slowly starting to gain the upperhand...a massive german offinsive is launched in september of 39 which cuts the russian army in two, "liberates" romania,reachs the black sea and nearly annahaltes the russian army...In a bold daring move lunches a counter offensive that relives army group central from there pocket and manages to isolate and liquate 40 of some of the best german divisions in romania....germany reels from the shock of defeat....hitlar orders the use of nerve gas to stop the forces of russia...it slows them down but not enough...by october...budapest had fallen and the russans had conqured all of poland and were penitrating into germany. by november vienna was under siege...the british goverment and french right wing start haveing nightmares about red armys on the rine....after much british hanngeling the french and the germand grugingly agreed to sign a non-agression pact so that the germans could draw on badly needed forces stationed on the "west wall", and also to allow commenwealth supplys to be shipped to germany through france (the german navy was annhilated by the russians in the first three months of the war allowing a small submarine force to blockade there ports as well as giveing the "battlegroups" access to the atlantic where they sliped into, restaioning themselves in brazil). when the news hit the paris street there was huge outrage from the left and even a few centerist partys...massive strikes and riots rocked the france throughout the month,coups were attempted...in that month alone 12,000 died... a wave of bombings and "cafe wars" began that would last the duration of the war killing on average 15 people a day.
trotsky was outraged at france and vowed retaliation.....meanwhile in the pacific japan had invaded china in november of 38 assuming the soviet union was to busy in the east to offer assistance.....ttrotsky sent a small army of several tank and moterized infenrty divisions under the command of a younger general zhouviz (sorry i just need help with these russian names)which were outnumberd by the japanise...however zhocov had a plann under his sleave the chinese would engage them every where possible and keep them busy while the russian would launch some would say an overly ambtious pincer attack that would idealy trap 300,000 troops
miraculously (wank wank wank) it managed to sucede even the the russian army was to small to completly block the escape of the japanses army or it's relief force and 200,000 got away the russains managed to kill or capture 200,000 japanese from the invasion force and 75,000 from the relief force.....the massive but lightly armned chince army marched to capture all of manchuria and into koria with the help of russian armored thrusts,airpower, and a well timned korean revolt....the japanise became desperate...athough armored force has little use in central korea and the japanse could dug in and held out they wasted there men with division"banzi charges which even when they broke through the lightly compartivly lightly armned chinese (although becoming better armned everyday) they would still be wiped out by soviet air suppiriorty and tank reserves.admeral yamato launched an amohibious attack on ichon which nearly succeded in cutting the contry and thus the chinese supply lines in two it was repleed after two weeks eventualy the entire penensula was taken...japan nearly sued for peace after there islands were subjected to firebombing....the british interceded and brokerd an agreement to supply them resources to continue the war....the japanise regained some of there self esteem with the capture of stakin island and to a lesser extent the capture of timor as fought otl (a small but extremly intresting battle involing a succesful banit charge against japanise paratroopers and a gurilla war in the interior http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Timor_(1942–43)
I imagine it occuring exactly as otl only instead of australians we have soviet sailer)
In both these battles the japanise were unable to destroy the wily fleeing battle groups considering them to small of a threat in there minset of fighting ships wholy designed to fight fighting ships which proved diasterous later as one drifted into southeast asia and the other rampaged in the western pacific eventualy porting in chile....
as the war temporaly staled in central europe...the germans were able to fight the russians to a standstill outside of berlin in a cloud of nerve gas which trotsky couldint effectivly match with his ww1 vintage musterd ,tear, and chlorine gas stocks, the italians had finished there blooddy conquest of etihiopea...although still had to deal with a fugitive halle seesea leading an insurgency that would never be effectivly stamped out and held numerous small town and overran garrison throughout the war...they awere led a diasterous campahns in mozembuque where italin troops had taken the capitol but not much else and faced soviet and ther newly liberated african allies terrifying the italians at night with constant hit and run attacks and raids by the indian ocean battle group...they had to fortify the balkins and there northern border slowly against enroaching red armys and they had to deal with yet another failed campagin in the medditeranian in which they manged to wrestle the balrics from spanish forces and destroy the spanish fleet but lost half there fleet and tens of thousands takeing the islands
After the chinese victory in korea...trotsky decided that the time is ripe for retaliation against france...He sends advisors to souyhern china to train equip and organize a small army of 75,000 vietmanize men commanded by giap and the exile ho chi mehn as well as a smaller army of laothion revolutinorys....he also convinces china and siam that the time is ripe to liberate indochina....france recognizes the build and reinforces the terrotory with several infentry,artillary and even an armored division....however even though there firepower is quite impressive they are still useing great war tactics and at first they are unprepaired when ho ch mehn and his chinese allies use there "inflitration,envelopment,annalation" tactics...after 3 months of back and forth bloody sea-saw fighting which see's the liberation army of china lose 120,000 the viet menh lose 30,000 and the tais lose 12,000 against the french 65,000 the liberation armys find hemselves in control of the mountanes north not including the "ring of fire in the red river delta but including all of laos minus a the beseged, air supplyed (the first operation of it's kind)plain of jars. when the rainy season begins the war turns into a grinding surreal word war 1 in the jungle style trench fortress battle...(as to the western front where the stalement is a "fluid stalemate and is a "mobile stalemate) the liberation armys cant overrun the numerous french fire bases protected by tanks,artellery and hevey bunkers without massive looses, and the french cant leave there fortified lines to attack the with the lightly armned but near limitless and disiplend liberation forces in mountains without getting there asses handed to them....a stalemate occurs on all fronts
and an event happens that brings briton in the war...
wow!!! i'm sorry. what turned into a question about how to get an independent,unified , stable soviet allied china turned into an outline full of spoilers...sorry my minds raceing...i have to organize it, research it, and right it in an entertaining story book style....but what do you think so far?
ASBish isint it?
however, even though the communest movements in western countrys has given him influence and a good spy network, the measures taken by the right-wing anti-communest goverments (paticularly nazi germany) make the possibility of a full communest takeover of any western european nation unlikely.
instead,trotsky looks overseas tones down his communist retoric and turns up his anti-colonialist retoric.....he sends heavy weapons and "advisors" to the king of ethiopea in the late 20's on, dettering the italians from invading and giveing him an ally in africa to suplement the portugese bases he gains later
pro sovet goverments come to power in brazil,el salvidor and lator chile...marxist insurgencys spring up all across latin america...leftist groups dominate the mexican goverment....in the middle east soviet aid and intrigue wins over afganistan and baseing rights....in persia soviet suintrige leads to a friendly goverment in 33...which is overthrown by the british...which is reinstalled by a counter-counter revolution in 38...also the russians are organizing and covertly supporting a " arab liberation army" and a "kurdish liberation army" to unleash lator
in asia either trotsky manages to faucilitate a deal between the nationalists and the communests (which i would perfer,maybe it would happen without chiang) or gives the commies such massive support that they take complete control by 34 (unlikely) or some wierd alternative that leaves a china with a strong goverment with indutrilization and expansion on it's mind...russia intervenes in manchuria in a short ,indesiceve but bloody war...the soviets get the northern half of manchuria which they hand over to china and the japs keep a few proverinces in the south. siam becomes a secret ally with it's eyes on prtions of french indochina
the soviets are also covertly organizing and supporting communest and non communest native resetance groups around the world from india,much of africa,vietnam,malasia,indonisia, etc...baseicly the anti colonyal movement is at otl'smid to late 1950's levels in 1938
And most importantly trotsky puts more empthises on the navy since peter the great over a 10 year period...the fleet is much larger then otl but still meager compaired to the top navy's...however there tactics and stratigy are well worked out
the stratigy is not the traditional one of trying to slug it out against the supeirior western navys...but one based on speed,moility and range...there main goal is to cause chaos and support revolutions in the colonys....they are organized in fast compact battle groups comprized of pocket-battleships aircraft carries ,crusers destroyes and submarines, and most importantly of all at the core aretransports full of fuel,supplys,commandos and marines
the warships task is to protect these transports and sail the world engageing enemy navys only when it has to,disrupting shipping and launching marine raids to capture ports with supplys and unload commando's and advisors to support local gurrilla movements...also the entire navy is designed to be able to go up and hide in rivers ( which will play vital roles in the african,asian and south american campagn
once the "allies" gang-up on the soviets and there "liberation movement"allies the match will be lit for an explosion of anti-colonial upriseings around the world. italy will use this as an oppurtuneity to invade a "red," ethiopea, however hali sesee is EXTREMLY well armned turning the war into a bloody grniding war of attrition where millons of ethiopeans and houndreds of thousands of italians die. argentina will go to war with brazil and chile, hondorus and nicuragua will invade the fort nation elsavador only to get booged down in a nasty occupation while faceing insurgents in there own country...makeing this truely a "world war"
In my mind the war happens in late 38 when germany attempts to annex chekoslavkia with the soviet union as the only one willing to stand up for her...germany,hungary and poland invade slovakia and the soviet union retaliates by invading poland and sending troops fighting there way to slovakia ,france and briton stand at the side lines gleefully watching to loathed enemys pound on each other...however after a year of war, it looks like the sheer weight as well as tactical/stratigic brilliance of the russian army (no purges ) is slowly starting to gain the upperhand...a massive german offinsive is launched in september of 39 which cuts the russian army in two, "liberates" romania,reachs the black sea and nearly annahaltes the russian army...In a bold daring move lunches a counter offensive that relives army group central from there pocket and manages to isolate and liquate 40 of some of the best german divisions in romania....germany reels from the shock of defeat....hitlar orders the use of nerve gas to stop the forces of russia...it slows them down but not enough...by october...budapest had fallen and the russans had conqured all of poland and were penitrating into germany. by november vienna was under siege...the british goverment and french right wing start haveing nightmares about red armys on the rine....after much british hanngeling the french and the germand grugingly agreed to sign a non-agression pact so that the germans could draw on badly needed forces stationed on the "west wall", and also to allow commenwealth supplys to be shipped to germany through france (the german navy was annhilated by the russians in the first three months of the war allowing a small submarine force to blockade there ports as well as giveing the "battlegroups" access to the atlantic where they sliped into, restaioning themselves in brazil). when the news hit the paris street there was huge outrage from the left and even a few centerist partys...massive strikes and riots rocked the france throughout the month,coups were attempted...in that month alone 12,000 died... a wave of bombings and "cafe wars" began that would last the duration of the war killing on average 15 people a day.
trotsky was outraged at france and vowed retaliation.....meanwhile in the pacific japan had invaded china in november of 38 assuming the soviet union was to busy in the east to offer assistance.....ttrotsky sent a small army of several tank and moterized infenrty divisions under the command of a younger general zhouviz (sorry i just need help with these russian names)which were outnumberd by the japanise...however zhocov had a plann under his sleave the chinese would engage them every where possible and keep them busy while the russian would launch some would say an overly ambtious pincer attack that would idealy trap 300,000 troops
miraculously (wank wank wank) it managed to sucede even the the russian army was to small to completly block the escape of the japanses army or it's relief force and 200,000 got away the russains managed to kill or capture 200,000 japanese from the invasion force and 75,000 from the relief force.....the massive but lightly armned chince army marched to capture all of manchuria and into koria with the help of russian armored thrusts,airpower, and a well timned korean revolt....the japanise became desperate...athough armored force has little use in central korea and the japanse could dug in and held out they wasted there men with division"banzi charges which even when they broke through the lightly compartivly lightly armned chinese (although becoming better armned everyday) they would still be wiped out by soviet air suppiriorty and tank reserves.admeral yamato launched an amohibious attack on ichon which nearly succeded in cutting the contry and thus the chinese supply lines in two it was repleed after two weeks eventualy the entire penensula was taken...japan nearly sued for peace after there islands were subjected to firebombing....the british interceded and brokerd an agreement to supply them resources to continue the war....the japanise regained some of there self esteem with the capture of stakin island and to a lesser extent the capture of timor as fought otl (a small but extremly intresting battle involing a succesful banit charge against japanise paratroopers and a gurilla war in the interior http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Timor_(1942–43)
I imagine it occuring exactly as otl only instead of australians we have soviet sailer)
In both these battles the japanise were unable to destroy the wily fleeing battle groups considering them to small of a threat in there minset of fighting ships wholy designed to fight fighting ships which proved diasterous later as one drifted into southeast asia and the other rampaged in the western pacific eventualy porting in chile....
as the war temporaly staled in central europe...the germans were able to fight the russians to a standstill outside of berlin in a cloud of nerve gas which trotsky couldint effectivly match with his ww1 vintage musterd ,tear, and chlorine gas stocks, the italians had finished there blooddy conquest of etihiopea...although still had to deal with a fugitive halle seesea leading an insurgency that would never be effectivly stamped out and held numerous small town and overran garrison throughout the war...they awere led a diasterous campahns in mozembuque where italin troops had taken the capitol but not much else and faced soviet and ther newly liberated african allies terrifying the italians at night with constant hit and run attacks and raids by the indian ocean battle group...they had to fortify the balkins and there northern border slowly against enroaching red armys and they had to deal with yet another failed campagin in the medditeranian in which they manged to wrestle the balrics from spanish forces and destroy the spanish fleet but lost half there fleet and tens of thousands takeing the islands
After the chinese victory in korea...trotsky decided that the time is ripe for retaliation against france...He sends advisors to souyhern china to train equip and organize a small army of 75,000 vietmanize men commanded by giap and the exile ho chi mehn as well as a smaller army of laothion revolutinorys....he also convinces china and siam that the time is ripe to liberate indochina....france recognizes the build and reinforces the terrotory with several infentry,artillary and even an armored division....however even though there firepower is quite impressive they are still useing great war tactics and at first they are unprepaired when ho ch mehn and his chinese allies use there "inflitration,envelopment,annalation" tactics...after 3 months of back and forth bloody sea-saw fighting which see's the liberation army of china lose 120,000 the viet menh lose 30,000 and the tais lose 12,000 against the french 65,000 the liberation armys find hemselves in control of the mountanes north not including the "ring of fire in the red river delta but including all of laos minus a the beseged, air supplyed (the first operation of it's kind)plain of jars. when the rainy season begins the war turns into a grinding surreal word war 1 in the jungle style trench fortress battle...(as to the western front where the stalement is a "fluid stalemate and is a "mobile stalemate) the liberation armys cant overrun the numerous french fire bases protected by tanks,artellery and hevey bunkers without massive looses, and the french cant leave there fortified lines to attack the with the lightly armned but near limitless and disiplend liberation forces in mountains without getting there asses handed to them....a stalemate occurs on all fronts
and an event happens that brings briton in the war...
wow!!! i'm sorry. what turned into a question about how to get an independent,unified , stable soviet allied china turned into an outline full of spoilers...sorry my minds raceing...i have to organize it, research it, and right it in an entertaining story book style....but what do you think so far?
ASBish isint it?