Allied Best Case Scenario- End of WWII

Not only that, but he manages to goad the British into pushing harder and faster to the East to capture as much as they could and bring useful things West (people. generals, equipment, tech).

I know this may seem rather crass to be discussing British and American deaths after disagreements over how many million Russians died but in the west the British military death toll was equal in size to the that of the USA, if you count civilians the British toll is higher. Britain had one third the population of the USA and I think it would be fair to say that the British cupboard was bare by late 1944, especially when the British still thought they would be serving under Macarthur in the invasion of Japan.
Even when Montgomery raised the subject in 1944, it was always the Soviets verses the Americans.
 

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I know this may seem rather crass to be discussing British and American deaths after disagreements over how many million Russians died but in the west the British military death toll was equal in size to the that of the USA, if you count civilians the British toll is higher. Britain had one third the population of the USA and I think it would be fair to say that the British cupboard was bare by late 1944, especially when the British still thought they would be serving under Macarthur in the invasion of Japan.
Even when Montgomery raised the subject in 1944, it was always the Soviets verses the Americans.

The Brits had a larger population in 1944 than in 1918, yet suffered IIRC about half the losses of WW1. They had plenty of men left, but they just didn't want to use them so long as the Americans were there. Also the RAF took up most of the manpower available for the army, so unless the RAF releases men, there won't be replacements available. Historically the Brits had to start reducing the number of divisions, breaking them up to get the rest up to strength because the government wouldn't release more men to the army.


wiking... your pod need not be that late and your final destination can be much farther east
Ike had the decisive opportunity to completely destroy the German army of the west at Falaise... he blew it... it would have been bigger than Stalingrad and Tunis put together (not in terms of prisoner haul but in terms of changing the strategic balance)... literally there would have been ZERO forces between the allies and the German heartland... Bagration was just entering Poland at this point... with total destruction at Falaise the allies could have been in Berlin in two weeks and met the Russians on the Vistula in 4... thats how big their opportunity was

Logistically that cannot be supported. Sure the Germans would not have organized resistance, but unless the Americans can walk to Berlin in two weeks and assume that the Germans won't transfer forces in the meantime...
I agree about that POD, it was huge and would have allowed the Allies to hit the Rhein before November without any resistance. In fact, IIRC the Germans expected that the be the situation and were stunned when they could orderly pull back and continue resistance.

If this does happen and the Western Forces seem so close to invading Germany and taking Berlin, what happens with the concentration camps? I'd think they'd be evacuated East, so the Western Allies have no direct experience with liberating camps. Also this would save countless Allied and Axis lives, probably collapsing the Italian Front that much sooner as forces are draw off to defend Germany.

Austria and the Czech parts of Czechoslovakia are captured by the Wallies in early 1945, especially as the Germans want to surrender to the Americans as the war nears its end. Berlin gets taken by the Americans and the balance of power shifts. However, now the Soviets are stronger, having never lost all those men taking Berlin.

I wonder if the Soviets would get even riskier if the Western Allies do better in 1944, throwing their mens' lives away even more so than OTL to break through and take Berlin. Of course the US histories of the war will then probably make a better case about winning it for everyone.
 
Have the Germans replace Barbarossa for a Southern Strategy with only disabling actions in the North as well as supporting Baltic independence movements. The Germans reach Baku and the Volga by the end of 1941. In 1942 a new northern strategy ends with mixed results, Belarus and much of Western Russia fall into German hands but Leningrad and Moscow survive, albeit barely, with heavy casualties on both sides, meanwhile, the allies successfully land in Africa and soon liberate the continent entirely.

Meanwhile in the Pacific, Japanese forces hit a brick wall in the Phillipines and Singapore, their campaign suffers greatly as a result.

The Soviet Spring offensive of 1942 hits a brick wall against a powerful Volga defence line with heavy casualties. Stalin is running out of manpower and resources and there is still no second front. Without any other option he makes a harsh peace with Germany. Giving up the Ukraine and Belarus in exchange for peace. Although Russia is out of the fight, the Allies are determined to keep fighting and land in Southern France that summer, reaching the Seine by early 1944. Stalin meanwhile, tries to get a consolation prize by invading Manchuria, where a powerful Kwantung Army (Japan has gone on the defensive since it's early setbacks) checks their advance to a degree. To avoid Soviet domination Japan makes peace with the Allies, just around the time that the Red Army reaches the Korean border.

By late 1944, the allies realise that they need a quick way to end the war and thus the atomic bomb is hurried into production, risks are taken and more money is pumped in. However by December 1944 the Americans have one bomb and a target - Berlin.

The Nazi leadership burns and in it's place comes a military junta who unconditionally surrender, unaware that the allies wont have another bomb for several months. They also agree to continue fighting Soviet troops in the Ukraine and Belarus until allied forces can take control there. With the allies settled in, Stalin attempts to attack again, leading an all out allied invasion of Russia. Moscow soon falls, and Russia becomes a pro-western democracy.

How about that?

The destruction of Berlin will certainly backfire, as the British will not allow the USA to make use of their airspace to do an atomic attack on Berlin. The British wanted to make a more civilized peace with Germany, which needed the political and civilian infrastructure intact for a postwar period. The Atomic bomb will only be used inside the USA at a testcenter in New Mexico, with the attendence of the worldwide press.

Something else is more important: the destruction of the German capital makes the place likely to fall fro Communism, which was not in the interest of the Western Allies as well. The Western Allies would not lopnger be able to press on their own offensives to the east in Europe, with toxic and radioactive cloads killing their own troops.
 
The destruction of Berlin will certainly backfire, as the British will not allow the USA to make use of their airspace to do an atomic attack on Berlin. The British wanted to make a more civilized peace with Germany, which needed the political and civilian infrastructure intact for a postwar period. The Atomic bomb will only be used inside the USA at a testcenter in New Mexico, with the attendence of the worldwide press.

I think you underestimate Churchill, he was the one after all who agreed to the deliberate bombing of German civilians. He was also willing to use mustard gas if Germany invaded Britain. If there is a war winning weapon, and the war is beginning to turn sour, he'll use it.

Something else is more important: the destruction of the German capital makes the place likely to fall fro Communism, which was not in the interest of the Western Allies as well.

I don't see why, the German people were largely terrified as the Red Army marched in, here they're going to be even madder with more atrocities and humiliation inflicted by the Germany. Remember that most Germans were disgusted with the western allies at the end of the war too, they just conisdered them better than the Soviets, which they still will.

The Western Allies would not lopnger be able to press on their own offensives to the east in Europe, with toxic and radioactive cloads killing their own troops.

One small fission device (by today's standards) is going to struggle to poison the Greater Berlin area, let alone Eastern Europe. You'd need a Tsar Bomb for that.
 
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