Alliance wins War of the Spanish Succession

Thande

Donor
That would be cool. After my War of the Grand Alliance trhead way bakc got exactly zero replies:rolleyes: , the WotSS is the next best thing ;)
Though, War of the SS might give the wrong impression :p
Not at all, it means the WW2 connection is right there ;)

I have the urge to start an ASB thread...
 

Thande

Donor
I have the urge to start an ASB thread...

I was going to do a thread where WW2 is fought with the alliance system of the WotSS. But then I realised it would be a massacre: almost everywhere versus France, Spain and Bavaria. France really was the hyperpower back then, wasn't it?
 

Susano

Banned
I was going to do a thread where WW2 is fought with the alliance system of the WotSS. But then I realised it would be a massacre: almost everywhere versus France, Spain and Bavaria. France really was the hyperpower back then, wasn't it?

Thats why I stress it so much in the Knockout. And screw the WotSS: In the Grand Alliance, France fought utterly alone (seeing as how the Jacobites were just a fancy part of their army, too, more or less) against an alliance including Austria, England-Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Savoy and more or less goddamn all HREGN states, including Brandenburg-Prussia. And it won!
 

Thande

Donor
Thats why I stress it so much in the Knockout. And screw the WotSS: In the Grand Alliance, France fought utterly alone (seeing as how the Jacobites were just a fancy part of their army, too, more or less) against an alliance including Austria, England-Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Savoy and more or less goddamn all HREGN states, including Brandenburg-Prussia. And it won!

We usually get quite chuffed at how we fought off France, Spain and the Netherlands (and the boring colonials) during the War of the Bourbon Alliance, but that pales into comparison besides that. I would like to know more about the War of the Grand Alliance: to us, it's usually just seen as background noise to the Glorious Revolution.
 
Thats why I stress it so much in the Knockout. And screw the WotSS: In the Grand Alliance, France fought utterly alone (seeing as how the Jacobites were just a fancy part of their army, too, more or less) against an alliance including Austria, England-Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Savoy and more or less goddamn all HREGN states, including Brandenburg-Prussia. And it won!

Well, failed to lose. It didn't grab the Low Countries, which was more or less its goal. *Insert thread-derailing Wof1812 comment here* But yeah, France-stick was still pretty impressive. Kinda like late 19th/early 20th C Germany, really.
 
Less long than it will in the Knockout :D
ITTL, Poland-Lithuania will have all the problems of OTL, what with liberum veto and anarchy and all that. Might be the Sejm eventually elects a non-Wettin, or might be Polands neighborus descend upon it as IOTL.

Ok, so let's say that the Sejm becomes tired of the Wettin ruling them Vienna, and when the king dies they elect someone from other House. Now that Saxony has Austria, Bohemia, Hungary (and of course the title of HRE) would they accept the separation of Poland-Lithuania or would they try to reconquer it? Of course, the Wettins have now other problems to be worried about (the Ottomans is the one I can think at the moment) but more land is always more land.
 

Susano

Banned
Ok, so let's say that the Sejm becomes tired of the Wettin ruling them Vienna, and when the king dies they elect someone from other House. Now that Saxony has Austria, Bohemia, Hungary (and of course the title of HRE) would they accept the separation of Poland-Lithuania or would they try to reconquer it? Of course, the Wettins have now other problems to be worried about (the Ottomans is the one I can think at the moment) but more land is always more land.

Of cours etehy would try to hold on it with military means if necessary. A Saxon-Austrian alliance (which is now united in one state) already tried so (successfully, but with dire cosnequences for Austria IOTL) 1735, in the War of the Polish Succession. Might be we see a War of the Polish SUccession every time a Wettin dies now...
 
Of cours etehy would try to hold on it with military means if necessary. A Saxon-Austrian alliance (which is now united in one state) already tried so (successfully, but with dire cosnequences for Austria IOTL) 1735, in the War of the Polish Succession. Might be we see a War of the Polish SUccession every time a Wettin dies now...

That would be funny if it becomes a habit:

In Vienna: - Your highness, your father the Emperor is dead. Should we prepare the funeral now or you prefer to march to Poland first?:D
 
When is Augustus III going to acede get Austria and Hungary? If it's before, on or about 1700 (and before 1709), then it will have huge effects on the Great Northern War when Charles XII's Sweden is attacked. It would seem to me that the Sejm probably would try to reject Augustus, but that probably only makes it easier for Charles XII to install his own puppet. And of course if Charles is at war with all of Augustus' realms, if he follows his OTL method he'll probably end up going south, trying to unseat Augustus from either Saxony or Austria. All sorts of coolness might thereafter ensue.

Would GB really want to seek the cession of New France? It's very un-mercantilistic, but if suppose if the Allies do win it's an easy thing for France to lose without losing too much revenue. I would imagine they only lose a part of New France, namely Quebec. As Thande says, there are a huge amount of ripples that could alter the shape of British North America with an early acquisition of New France -- particularly one that's associated with the Glorious Revolution. The New Englanders will be in paraoxysms of Protestant popery-hating joy. I've no doubts that the august persons on this thread can divine such ripples, but I wrote a fairly long post about them here so I'll leave it at that.
 
Of cours etehy would try to hold on it with military means if necessary. A Saxon-Austrian alliance (which is now united in one state) already tried so (successfully, but with dire cosnequences for Austria IOTL) 1735, in the War of the Polish Succession. Might be we see a War of the Polish SUccession every time a Wettin dies now...

That would be funny if it becomes a habit:

In Vienna: - Your highness, your father the Emperor is dead. Should we prepare the funeral now or you prefer to march to Poland first?:D

Somewhere in darkest Poland, Molobo just shivered and he can't figure out why... :D

When is Augustus III going to acede get Austria and Hungary? If it's before, on or about 1700 (and before 1709), then it will have huge effects on the Great Northern War when Charles XII's Sweden is attacked. It would seem to me that the Sejm probably would try to reject Augustus, but that probably only makes it easier for Charles XII to install his own puppet. And of course if Charles is at war with all of Augustus' realms, if he follows his OTL method he'll probably end up going south, trying to unseat Augustus from either Saxony or Austria. All sorts of coolness might thereafter ensue.

True, it'll be a bit harder to knock Augustus out of the war if he has to occupy Dresden and Vienna instead of just Dresden. But his big enemy #1 is still Russia.

Would GB really want to seek the cession of New France? It's very un-mercantilistic, but if suppose if the Allies do win it's an easy thing for France to lose without losing too much revenue. I would imagine they only lose a part of New France, namely Quebec. As Thande says, there are a huge amount of ripples that could alter the shape of British North America with an early acquisition of New France -- particularly one that's associated with the Glorious Revolution. The New Englanders will be in paraoxysms of Protestant popery-hating joy. I've no doubts that the august persons on this thread can divine such ripples, but I wrote a fairly long post about them here so I'll leave it at that.

We (well, some New Englanders) actually did take Quebec in 1690, but we gave it back. In the late 17th century, Quebec < little island in the Carribean. Quebec has no industries, practically no resources (the fur trade hasn't taken off yet, the farming is mediocre at best, and New England still has lots of trees), plus it's full of Frenchmen. It'd be a tough sell.
 

Susano

Banned
When is Augustus III going to acede get Austria and Hungary?
Going by OTL death dates, 1711. By that time, Sweden is already broken. To mak emattersless confusing Id even have Joseph die later (that is when the War of the Spanish Succession is actually over!), so, yeah, Great Nordic War and WotSS will still remain seperate.

Somewhere in darkest Poland, Molobo just shivered and he can't figure out why... :D
:D :D
 

Thande

Donor
We (well, some New Englanders) actually did take Quebec in 1690, but we gave it back. In the late 17th century, Quebec < little island in the Carribean. Quebec has no industries, practically no resources (the fur trade hasn't taken off yet, the farming is mediocre at best, and New England still has lots of trees), plus it's full of Frenchmen. It'd be a tough sell.
Exactly, so France isn't going to care much about it. I don't know if the colonials themselves would be that hot on it, as you say, but I think England would want to possess it just to deny it to France.
 
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