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SeanPdineen

I have a tantilisingling challenge.
Create a senario after 9-11 in which the French, and Russians are active allies in the war with Saddam.
In this concept, all four allies from world war 2, work together.
Impossible? No more than 100 southern civil war, or Nazi's win world war 2 stories. As a History prof, i'm curious as to your talents, friends, make me proud!
 

seraphim74

Well, on September 12 Saddam publicly supports attacks against America and calls all muslims to follow the example of "holy martyrs". He has some dellusions he could become a leader of great muslim jihad against the west. "Success" of 9-11 makes him believe West is weak. He starts supplying Chechnyans with weapons and starts his WMD program. What is worse (for him) he gets caught, after Chechnyans use one of his chemical bombs against some Russian town. Russians are furious - and who can blame them? Russian Paras and Spetsnaz prepare to war. And Turkey and Iran should know better than trying to stop them.
Getting France angry will be a little more difficult, but let's say Saddam agents carry another chemical bomb via France to Rammstein in Germany and by accident they make it explode in Champagne region. The French honor and sprankling wine suffered a terrible strike. There will be no mercy. Foreign Legion prepares to war.
Here you have it.
 

carlton_bach

I really don't think it would need to be anything that dramatic. It'd be enough to have good evidence that Saddam was actively involved in 9/11 to get France into the war (though perhaps no more than a token force, like other members of the Coalition). Russia might at that point decide to join simply for fear of being left out.
 

Reylance

How do you get France to ignore the powerful petrochemical company, TotalFinaElf, who really really wanted to develop Iraq's oil fields?
 

carlton_bach

Reylance said:
How do you get France to ignore the powerful petrochemical company, TotalFinaElf, who really really wanted to develop Iraq's oil fields?
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The political pressure can be enough for France not to be able to stand aside with any credibility, especially if Saddam can *really* be linked to 9/11. And if they are part of the coalition, I'm sure they'll be pushing for the contracts to be honoured. Washington will owe them one, after all.
 
Michel Van

Michel Van

Create a senario after 9-11 in which the French, and Russians are active allies in the war with Saddam.
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first Osama ben laden make a SUPER 9-11
not only Attack in USA (twin-tower Pentagon)
but also in
France (Eiffeltower, Tour Montparnasse skyscraper)
London (Palace of Westminster, Buckingham Palace )
Moscow ( Kremlin, Ministry of Foreign Affairs )

and then makes Saddam mistake open his Mouth to wide and publicly supports those attacks...

NATO (USA, England, France) and Russia together
clean Chechnya and Afganistan out.
then Invade Irak
until Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran open his Mouth to wide...
 

Hannibal.Caesar

Michel Van said:
first Osama ben laden make a SUPER 9-11
not only Attack in USA (twin-tower Pentagon)
but also in
France (Eiffeltower, Tour Montparnasse skyscraper)
London (Palace of Westminster, Buckingham Palace )
Moscow ( Kremlin, Ministry of Foreign Affairs )

and then makes Saddam mistake open his Mouth to wide and publicly supports those attacks...

NATO (USA, England, France) and Russia together
clean Chechnya and Afganistan out.
then Invade Irak
until Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran open his Mouth to wide...
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Um, yeah, I don't really see that happening. September 11 was frankly a monumental feat by itself--not that I'm supporting/praising it--when it comes to logistics and planning. The possibility that a 9/11-type attack could succeed in four countries, all with superb intelligence agencies, is virtually nil. Iran wouldn't be invaded, either, unless they got very, very frisky with Russia or with the coalition in Iraq.

Realistically, though, France would have gotten on board with the invasion of Iraq if some credible proof that Hussein had been a part of 9/11 had been found. Selling the invasion to Russia would have been harder, but I could see it being done. I don't know how much of a help they would be, though, since the easiest route for their troops to take would move them through nations that wouldn't appreciate it (Georgia, Armenia, Iran, etc.)
 

Calgacus

SeanPdineen said:
I have a tantilisingling challenge.
Create a senario after 9-11 in which the French, and Russians are active allies in the war with Saddam.
In this concept, all four allies from world war 2, work together.
Impossible? No more than 100 southern civil war, or Nazi's win world war 2 stories. As a History prof, i'm curious as to your talents, friends, make me proud!
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Tantalising.
Scenario.
Nazis.
I'm.

Sorry, but it just kills me to see all that. Maybe you should use a spell-checker, prof?
 

Leo Caesius

Banned
May I ask where you teach? We might be colleagues, which (to be honest) fills me with a nameless dread. If you're not comfortable revealing this information publicly, just private me.
 

Markus

Banned
SeanPdineen said:
I have a tantilisingling challenge.
Create a senario after 9-11 in which the French, and Russians are active allies in the war with Saddam.
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Easy:
1. Saddam was behind 9/11.
2. Saddam had WMDs.
3. F...ing stupid French.

In all three cases they are in the war.
 

Berra

Most of your suggestions are PRE-9/11. Not post 9/11 as was the question. I think Saddam making something stupid would be the best bet. A preemtive strike against Quweit would do.
 

Markus

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Berra said:
I think Saddam making something stupid would be the best bet. A preemtive strike against Quweit would do.
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That would make him pretty much immune. Given the sorrry state of his forces such an adventure has to result in a debacle so big, not even all neo-cons in the world could convince just one person that he is a threat. *widegrin*
 

SeanPdineen

I admire your directness

Leo Caesius said:
May I ask where you teach? We might be colleagues, which (to be honest) fills me with a nameless dread. If you're not comfortable revealing this information publicly, just private me.
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I teach, in a liberal arts based university called Kean in New Jersey.
I apologise for the spelling errors, My hands slip somewhat, from being a semi paraplegic. I am not using that as an excuse, I should have proof read.
Thank you all for stirring up a good discussion.
Besides, my purile structural of writing, I am intriged to know just what fills you with dread, my dear Dr. Caesius. You seem to be a man of honour, and true vision, abilities I would do well to emulate.
 

Calgacus

SeanPdineen said:
I apologise for the spelling errors, My hands slip somewhat, from being a semi paraplegic. I am not using that as an excuse, I should have proof read.
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Ah OK. I just thought I'd mention it, as quite a lot of people just make mistakes and don't notice. If you have Firefox, there is a built-in spellchecker which draws a red line under any misspelled word. I have found it very useful, especially with the whole the/teh thing....
 
trekchu

trekchu

IMO the *saddam is behind the attacks/publicly supports them* is the most realistic scenario to get a french and Russian participation in the iraq war. Add a French Target to the 9/11 target list or a sinking of a frecnh Passenger liner immediately after the "I did it!" announcment and bang the french are in.
 

Leo Caesius

Banned
SeanPdineen said:
I teach, in a liberal arts based university called Kean in New Jersey.
I apologise for the spelling errors, My hands slip somewhat, from being a semi paraplegic. I am not using that as an excuse, I should have proof read.
Thank you all for stirring up a good discussion.
Besides, my purile structural of writing, I am intriged to know just what fills you with dread, my dear Dr. Caesius. You seem to be a man of honour, and true vision, abilities I would do well to emulate.
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Honestly, the few spelling mistakes you've made don't bother me.

The reason I'm concerned is that I was worried that someone else on the faculty here at Rutgers might be on this site (and see what I've written here and there about my job and my boss), which frankly terrifies me.

Fortunately you're not at Rutgers. I do know Kean University, naturally. When I was growing up in NJ it was still Kean College - I only recently learned that you had attained university status in 1997.
 

Fellatio Nelson

Leo Caesius said:
The reason I'm concerned is that I was worried that someone else on the faculty here at Rutgers might be on this site (and see what I've written here and there about my job and my boss), which frankly terrifies me.
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LEO!!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad:


I'll see you in my office at 0830 tomorrow, sharp!!! It's a caning for you, me boy!!


:mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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