ALL PRE-COLOMBIAN THEORIES ARE REAL

We only know about the Viking because of their Writings

I Support real evidence on this Question. but I also agree that there is some doubt on the subject of Pre-Colombian discovery of the New World.

Remember it was only a few year ago that, many individuals didn't accept that the Viking were in North American. There only evidence was written in ancient books. We now know that those writings were correct.
 
Hey, Guys here are the maps you been waiting for here is the Precolumbian North America Map...
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and here is the South America...
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I created a Civ3 scenario once that used a North America map with various Amerindian civs as well as Chinese, Vikings, Celts, Malians, Greeks, and Phoenicians as playable civs. At least in the scenario, the native civilizations usually caught up in tech before the Newcomers got off their feet, but I don't suppose a game of Civ I played once is a valid historical reference.
 
Taking a quick look at the list, it looks like about every 500 years or so, there's a potential for contact and technology exchange. Here's how I think the technology might've progressed given each timeframe (it's just a rough outline, and assumes the best possible outcome).

Each scenario assumes that a viable population (a few thousand) colonize Cuba, or some large island. It seems that Cuba is a common stop-off point. It also assumes that whatever seeds and animals they can fit onto the crafts, those will be in the New World. Any animal brought over is a yearling -- young enough and small enough to fit on the boats.

2750BC - Egyptians arrive in Papyrus crafts along with wheat, barley, oats (not sure if they had oats then), along with sheep, goats and chickens. Horses were barely even domesticated at this point - much less even being able to be transported. Aurochs (if they're still around, or cattle if they aren't) wouldn't be good either. Horses and cattle are too large/bulky at this point for small crafts to handle them. I'm assuming that Papyrus boats can't support the weight of large animals - at least based on pictures I've seen on the Internet. (It's probably feasible, but not likely. Maybe another branch off would be that some did make it across, which may make things more interesting. Who knows, maybe if horses and cattle make it at 2750BC, that might be enough to make the new world advance equally with the old world.).

At this point, Bronze is a novelty. Any introduction into North America or South America would speed up the start of the Bronze Age by maybe 3,000 years. Old World diseases may take hundreds of years to spread as trade isn't as developed. Maybe around 2000BC, disease has hit its' peak. Bronze age cultures exist all around the Caribean, and Gulf of Mexico, as well as inland along the Mississippi riverways, the northeast US/southeast Canada, and into the Andes.

By 1AD, iron is just being used - perhaps in the Caribean, and the Great Lakes regions. There's still no horses or cattle for major agricultural or military use. It may be 1500AD before they begin to see the beginnings of any major iron age cultures (like Rome).

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2000BC - Phoenician land a few thousand strong colony on Cuba, along with all kinds of livestock, including horses and cattle, which thier boats can support, unlike the Egyptian crafts.

Technology flows the same way as it did in the Egyptian scenario, along with diseases, but perhaps even quicker. By 1500BC to 1250BC, populations would have begun to recover, if not recovered already. The iron age may start around 1AD at the earliest, or maybe 500AD at the latest. However, with an expansive trade network (Mississippi River system, plus Gulf and Carribian), iron working may even accelerate. (Same with warfare strategies and tactics). By 1500AD, there may even be several major iron age civilizations, maybe even some starting to experiment with early middle ages technology such as chain mail, and pikes (on a small scale).

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1000BC - I'm skipping 1500BC since it would probably be the same as 2000BC and maybe a little slower. 1000BC assumes some early Iron Age culture arrives - perhaps the Carthagians - or the Phoenicians again (again, brining grain seeds and livestock - no elephants!). Since Cuba has iron, the Carthagians may even forge an empire on the island (compared to just being eventually assimilated by various tribes). Disease would still spread, and by 500BC, populations would recover. Iron age technology may actually be a bit more advanced, now that it's starting in 1000BC-500BC versus 1AD. It's possible that there could be knights by 1500AD. Who knows, with many population centers and competition, maybe even gunpowder could make an appearance -- if they're lucky.

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500BC - Like the above, maybe the Carthagians. However, at this point, the Americas would be starting to rebuild - with iron - around 1AD, the same as the 2000BC scenario.

1AD - At best, early iron age. At worst, middle bronze age. They would only have 1000 years to develop technology.

500AD - I think at this point, nothing would make that much of a difference. Maybe a stronger Mayan empire at best, with Aztec raiders from the north by 1250AD, then Souixian raiders by 1500AD.

So, the best case scenario is probably 2000BC to 1000BC. (1500BC to 1000BC would probably be the best bet to make new world technology near, or at equal with old world technology, with luck, by 1500AD).
 

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Their is some evidence that their was some trade network/exploration, if vey minimal, in Ancient Egyptian times....even if the Egyptians themselves didn't carry it out.

If the Vikings, Basques and Polynesians could manage it, why not a more devloped culture?
 
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