All of Philip IV of Spain's children live

Tuscany is an Italian state, Archduchess Magdalena was choised as wife for Cosimo II as proxy Spain princess as Felipe III was married to her sister so I would say there are chances to have that wedding with enough infantas available.
Alright then, that’s going to worry France a lot aha
 

Vitruvius

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When I posted something a while back about Maria Eugenia surviving the consensus seemed to be that she would have likely been the second wife to Ferdinand III. Either of her elder sisters could work in that regard as well. I don't see a Tuscan match as likely since Ferdinando was betrothed to his cousin Vittoria when they were quite young as a way of securing the della Rovere inheritance. But Ferdinand Charles of the Tyrolean branch would perhaps make a could candidate for of the older daughters. I could also see the eldest being pushed as candidate to be Wladyslaw IV's second wife though she'd probably still loose to Gonzague.
 
When I posted something a while back about Maria Eugenia surviving the consensus seemed to be that she would have likely been the second wife to Ferdinand III. Either of her elder sisters could work in that regard as well. I don't see a Tuscan match as likely since Ferdinando was betrothed to his cousin Vittoria when they were quite young as a way of securing the della Rovere inheritance. But Ferdinand Charles of the Tyrolean branch would perhaps make a could candidate for of the older daughters. I could also see the eldest being pushed as candidate to be Wladyslaw IV's second wife though she'd probably still loose to Gonzague.
Hmm interesting, so do you think then that the eldest daughter might be married to say someone like Ranuccio Farnese?
 
When I posted something a while back about Maria Eugenia surviving the consensus seemed to be that she would have likely been the second wife to Ferdinand III. Either of her elder sisters could work in that regard as well. I don't see a Tuscan match as likely since Ferdinando was betrothed to his cousin Vittoria when they were quite young as a way of securing the della Rovere inheritance. But Ferdinand Charles of the Tyrolean branch would perhaps make a could candidate for of the older daughters. I could also see the eldest being pushed as candidate to be Wladyslaw IV's second wife though she'd probably still loose to Gonzague.
They were engaged when Vittoria was very young, as she was ten years younger than her husband and her inheritance excluded the biggest part of her family’s land plus Ferdinand has four younger brothers all of them older than Vittoria so when she lost Urbino and they had a realistic change to get a spanish Infanta (the elder two are around Vittoria’s age as she was born in 1622) I think Cristina and Maddalena will transferred Vittoria’s bethrotal to Maddalena’s third son (the second was already in the church) and go for Margaret Maria Catherine of Spain for Ferdinand
 
@JonasResende @VVD0D95 @Vitruvius that list can work?

Maria Margaret of Austria (14 August 1621) marry Louis Amadeus, Duke of Savoy
Margaret Maria Catherine of Austria (25 November 1623) marry Ferdinand II, grand duke of Tuscany
Maria Eugenia of Austria (21 November 1625) marry Ferdinand III, Holy Roman Emperor
Isabella Maria Theresa of Austria (31 October 1627) marry Archduke Ferdinand Charles of Austria-Tyrol
Balthasar Charles of Austria (17 October 1629) marry Archduchess Maria Anna of Austria
Francis Ferdinand of Austria (12 March 1634) marry Catherine Beatrice of Savoy
Maria Anna Antonia Dominica Jacinta of Austria (17 January 1636) marry Ferdinand IV, Holy Roman Emperor
Maria Theresa of Austria (10 September 1638) marry Louis XIV of France

Vittoria della Rovere will marry Matthias de’Medici, Ferdinand II’s next available brother

Plus here if Philip want remarry his second wife can very well be https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Luisa_Cristina_of_Savoy

I know we have still four Austrian matches (and three girls married there) but at least all the husbands have their own lands

Plus Maria Theresa’s dowry for Louis XIV will be much smaller than OTL but still including the renounce to her rights on Spain... She here is the youngest of eight children, with two brothers and five sister plus their descendants before her in the line of succession
 
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@JonasResende @VVD0D95 @Vitruvius that list can work?

Maria Margaret of Austria (14 August 1621) marry Louis Amadeus, Duke of Savoy
Margaret Maria Catherine of Austria (25 November 1623) marry Ferdinand II, grand duke of Tuscany
Maria Eugenia of Austria (21 November 1625) marry Ferdinand III, Holy Roman Emperor
Isabella Maria Theresa of Austria (31 October 1627) marry Archduke Ferdinand Charles of Austria-Tyrol
Balthasar Charles of Austria (17 October 1629) marry Archduchess Maria Anna of Austria
Francis Ferdinand of Austria (12 March 1634) marry Catherine Beatrice of Savoy
Maria Anna Antonia Dominica Jacinta of Austria (17 January 1636) marry Ferdinand IV, Holy Roman Emperor
Maria Theresa of Austria (10 September 1638) marry Louis XIV of France

Vittoria della Rovere will marry Matthias de’Medici, Ferdinand II’s next available brother

Plus here if Filippo want remarry his second wife can very well be https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Luisa_Cristina_of_Savoy

I like it, and would Felipe consider remarriage with two surviving sons, and two daughters married to Austrian Habsburgs?
 
I like it, and would Felipe consider remarriage with two surviving sons, and two daughters married to Austrian Habsburgs?
If is sons are not so healthy or Mariana has the same kind of offspring she has OTL, he can decide to remarry... And in any case Ferdinand III of Austria remarried after his first wife death and he had two healthy sons so he can very well do it...
 
If is sons are not so healthy or Mariana has the same kind of offspring she has OTL, he can decide to remarry... And in any case Ferdinand III of Austria remarried after his first wife death and he had two healthy sons so he can very well do it...

This is very true, given Balthasar and Marianna are first cousins instead of niece and uncle, would there be better chances of surviving issue
 
This is very true, given Balthasar and Marianna are first cousins instead of niece and uncle, would there be better chances of surviving issue
Not a given with the constant intermarrying of the house of Austria (sure Felipe II and Maria Manuela were double first cousins as Louis XIV and Maria Teresa and the same for Francis II of Austria and Maria Theresa of Naples but Juan III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria were simply first cousins so)
 
Not a given with the constant intermarrying of the house of Austria (sure Felipe II and Maria Manuela were double first cousins as Louis XIV and Maria Teresa and the same for Francis II of Austria and Maria Theresa of Naples but Juan III of Portugal and Catherine of Austria were simply first cousins so)

Hmm this is very true, I imagine something like two surviving sons, and maybe one surviving daughter amongst a littany of stillbirths
 
Hmm this is very true, I imagine something like two surviving sons, and maybe one surviving daughter amongst a littany of stillbirths
Yes. Plus while three of Felipe daughters were married in Austria the older two were married in Savoy and Tuscany and with my wedding list the only one who had to sign a renounce on her rights on Spain (and just for staying safe by the way) is Maria Theresa, Queen of France (and without the OTL dowry or something like that because her chances to inhereiting are almost zero)
 
Yes. Plus while three of Felipe daughters were married in Austria the older two were married in Savoy and Tuscany and with my wedding list the only one who had to sign a renounce on her rights on Spain (and just for staying safe by the way) is Maria Theresa, Queen of France (and without the OTL dowry or something like that because her chances to inhereiting are almost zero)

Agreed, which means that France is perhaps somewhat pissed about that. I do wonder what changes here, Balthasar won't be an invalid, and neither will his brother Francis, so I imagine Louios's ambitions are going to be quite limited.
 
Agreed, which means that France is perhaps somewhat pissed about that. I do wonder what changes here, Balthasar won't be an invalid, and neither will his brother Francis, so I imagine Louios's ambitions are going to be quite limited.
France will not have any reason to be pissed... they are historical enemy so signing that renounce is logical and really a little more than a formality... She will be something like fifteen or more in line of succession at the time of the wedding...

Carlos II and Francisco will surely keep Louis XIV in check very well
 
France will not have any reason to be pissed... they are historical enemy so signing that renounce is logical and really a little more than a formality... She will be something like fifteen or more in line of succession at the time of the wedding...

Carlos II and Francisco will surely keep Louis XIV in check very well

Agreed, and agreed. I can see Louis still looking to take the Spanish Netherlands as he did otl, and perhaps also some territories in Italy.
 
About Savoy we are talking about a different scenario as Louis Amadeus was born in 1622 so at the death of his father in 1637 he would be already 15, old enough to be engaged, almost married and ready to rule without the need of any regency so Christine of France is not a real issue. At this point I say Louis will be married to the eldest girl with Ferdinand of Tuscany to the second

Doesn't really matter whether Ludovico is in need of a regency or no, by a series of treaties starting with one in Paris (1600), Brussol (1610), 2e Paris (1623), Suza (1629) and Cherasco (1631) Savoy takes the French side in Italy to throw the Spaniards out. The only way to change thst is either have Spain open a can of whupass on Savoy (really unlikely in the 1630s) that a Franco-Savoyard alliance loses to the Spanish, and Ludovico is FORCED to wed a Spanish infanta OR the reverse, France-Savoy kicks Spain's ass so hard that the Spanish are willing to give up an infanta to the "king of Lombardy (i.e. Savoy)".

You are sure Felipe refuted the Austrian match for Maria Theresa OTL? I read they were engaged until his death (and her engagement to Louis XIV was established a couple of years after Ferdinand’s death)... I was excluding german matches because usually Spain married only in Austria and Italy plus France (and I see only England and Portugal having chances to end with an Infanta as Queen and all depending from the political circumstances)

Felipe was about as set on her being queen of France as his sister, Anne was on having her for a daughter-in-law IIRC.

Spain won't bestow an infanta on Portugal (the Braganças are guilty of successful treason, but treason all the same, no way are the getting an infanta IMO). England won't TAKE an infanta (Charles I will remember how the Spanish jerked him around in the 1620s, and even the most diehard Protestant royalists might baulk at a Spanish queen (if James II was deposed by them conjuring up images of the fires of Smithfield in 1688, then fifty years earlier it might still be worse - especially since the house of Austria is (in the minds of Englishmen) trying to stamp out true religion and impose popery in Germany). Although Charles MIGHT try/suggest a match between the Princess Royal and D. Francisco (as lord of the Southern Netherlands - he thought a Nassau match was beneath her, and he angled for a match with D. Baltasar Carlos OTL so maybe less far fetched than a Spanish queen of England).
 
Doesn't really matter whether Ludovico is in need of a regency or no, by a series of treaties starting with one in Paris (1600), Brussol (1610), 2e Paris (1623), Suza (1629) and Cherasco (1631) Savoy takes the French side in Italy to throw the Spaniards out. The only way to change thst is either have Spain open a can of whupass on Savoy (really unlikely in the 1630s) that a Franco-Savoyard alliance loses to the Spanish, and Ludovico is FORCED to wed a Spanish infanta OR the reverse, France-Savoy kicks Spain's ass so hard that the Spanish are willing to give up an infanta to the "king of Lombardy (i.e. Savoy)".



Felipe was about as set on her being queen of France as his sister, Anne was on having her for a daughter-in-law IIRC.

Spain won't bestow an infanta on Portugal (the Braganças are guilty of successful treason, but treason all the same, no way are the getting an infanta IMO). England won't TAKE an infanta (Charles I will remember how the Spanish jerked him around in the 1620s, and even the most diehard Protestant royalists might baulk at a Spanish queen (if James II was deposed by them conjuring up images of the fires of Smithfield in 1688, then fifty years earlier it might still be worse - especially since the house of Austria is (in the minds of Englishmen) trying to stamp out true religion and impose popery in Germany). Although Charles MIGHT try/suggest a match between the Princess Royal and D. Francisco (as lord of the Southern Netherlands - he thought a Nassau match was beneath her, and he angled for a match with D. Baltasar Carlos OTL so maybe less far fetched than a Spanish queen of England).

Hmm that could be interesting, meaning the Spanish Infante marrying a English Princess.
 
And if Maria Teresa is so far down in the ranks with so small a dowry, the French might prefer someone else (Catarina of Bragança was offered OTL, as were Margherita Violante of Savoy and Henrietta Anne of England)
 
And if Maria Teresa is so far down in the ranks with so small a dowry, the French might prefer someone else (Catarina of Bragança was offered OTL, as were Margherita Violante of Savoy and Henrietta Anne of England)

You don't think they'd go for her to bring the peace?
 
And if Maria Teresa is so far down in the ranks with so small a dowry, the French might prefer someone else (Catarina of Bragança was offered OTL, as were Margherita Violante of Savoy and Henrietta Anne of England)
I'm thinking that in such situation the King and the Duke of Orleans may well switch spouses, as the youngest daughter of the brood is plain not suitable for the Queen but fit for Duchesse d'Orleans. Alternatively, Catarina of Braganca may end up in France, since the peace treaty offering TTL is not enough for "no aid to Portugal" clause.
 
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