Alexander The Great doesn't die in 323 BC

The Rise And Fall of the Alexandrian Empire
Demetrius Dionysus
Green Sea Publishng, Neo Daminoplis c) 1998 used with permission


Chapter 8: The Philippian War

The civil war would start with another Illyrian uprising. The general Cronoas had put down a revolt there while Alexander was still traveling from India, and it was known to be quite a volatile area that harbored lots of discontent. Even in the older Alexander's time, there had been mass discontent harbored by the local populace. Now, rallying under the leadership of the courageous and charismatic Philip, they revolted yet again.

Alexander had already sent more teams of assassins out to search the mountains between the border of Macedonia and Illyria. He would gather 75, 000 men to start with, and have the same number arrive as reinforcements laterun under the command of Demetrius, Antigonus' son, who had helped put down the Greek revolt. But he had to act fast, because on April 9, the occupying Macedonian garrison had been surrounded and defeated so fast, it would seems highly insumoutable. On April 12, Alexander would move his forces north, and they expected to reach the Illyrian border in about a week because the rugged terrain helped make things difficult.

On April 17 would come his first action with Philip. The hilly terrain helped slow down Philip's forces, but he had managed to assemble around 150,000, many composing of ordinary farmers who normally didn't fight. Unfortunately, with them, you got the miscreants who were essentially shiftless losers. Some of them could get quite violent, and were known to help start the waves of violence that had plagued Illyria for years. Needless to say, they were difficult to control, and often got drunk. Philip, a fairly common drinker himself, didn't help matters, but at least he never got drunk before a battle. The same could not be said of his men. On the other hand, they were more aggressive after having had some alcohol, but Philip's charisma helped render that unneceassary

Regardless, Alexander narrowly avoided suffering the fate of the Macedonian garrison , and he was forced to retreat back south. Unfortunately, the area was hilly all the way down through Greece, so Alexander would head south to Epirus, which was still de jure indpendent and start building a fleet at Corcyra while awaiting for Demetrius to arrive. As it would turn out though, not everyone would want him there. These would include the current heir to the throne, Pyrrhus[1], who was then of twenty-three years of age. He had been among those that had met with Philip, and had believed Alexander's policies were only hurting his land, partly because his father, Aeacided had been forced to pay a tax to keep his land as still de jure independent He tried to persuade Aeacides to join Philip, who was at this time, besieging but he had declined, partly because he was certain it would be his immidiate death if he accepted. Needless to say, Pyrrhus was not pleased. He would send a courier to assassinate Aecides. After being proclaimed the new king of Epirus, he would attempt to convince the local army to side with Philip.

Most of them would go along with him, but about 35 percent, led by a man named Ptolemy, still insisted that they has no reason to revolt. Fighting would ensue in Enphyra, but in five days,from April 21 to April 26, Pyrrhus was able to surround Ptolemy, and annhilate him. Alexander, at this point, still trying to escape from Philip's army, barely got away when he heard Pyrrhus had won. Attacks by Pyrrhus would make him suffer 10,000 casualties, even though Pyrreas had only something like 32,000 himself. The pressure by Philip would also help Pyrrhus to be so successsful, but Pyrreas' own tactical skills could not be discounted here, especially when relating to the many other battles he would fight in the future.

Alexander was constructing strong fortfications on Corcyra. Thankfully, the drunk rioting in Philip's army would help slow it down. Pyrrhus, however, would remain hot on Alexander's tail, but the mounntains would slow him down. But still, they would arrive at Corcyra on May 7, while Philip would arrive on May 15. The channel, seperating would however, prove a great defense, as Pyrrhus was frustrated to figure out a way to make a succesful crossing, as the regular ferry boats had been removed to the other side. So hewent to Ephyra with about 25,000 , and uses the boats there for a naval assault on Corcyra They would come just in time, to help destroy a task force, sent by Alexander to deprive use of their ships. As one soldier, known as Pytheas would say


"It was sure a a close one. The local guard was attempting to destroy it, but they had been taken by surprise, and they weren't doing it fast enough, and the fire that was set was spreading, but slowly. But we were a much larger force, and quickly threw our units at the task force, which made their prospects at success quite limited. They have to be commended for trying to do their mission, as fifty of them were able to set some ships off in another area on fire. We thank the Gods that the winds were not blowing so much that night, and that we arrived when we did. Otherwise, the coming of Demetrius would have put us in a very hard place ndeed"

As it was, about a dozen were destroyed, and Pyrreus was barely able to fit his troops on the boat. On May 26, they would land on Corcyra, and succesfully tae Alexander by surprise. Some good tactical maneuvers by Alexander would manage to hold him off, but it wouldn't work forever as Philip was able, at this point, to get a number of his forces through the barricade.

Alexander would be saved on May 29, by Demetrius, who landed on Corcyra, and engaged Pyrreus in a fierce battle, in which it looked like he might be unsuccessful. Alexander, would though, wheel the main part of his phalanx forward to help Demetrius. This would end up in a rout of Pyrreus' forces, and around 12,000 got away in their ships, and headed for Italia, which was also said to be under insurrection in a surprisingly static front. They would attempt to set the ships that Alexander had built, and Demetrius' on fire to prevent hem from escaping from Philip, who had brought about half of his forces to bear at this moment, which were making good progress agaisnt the Macedonians, and coming close to smashing them at this point. Alexander and Demetrius were skillful generals, however, and they took advantage of the drunkeness of a large part of Philip's army to lure them into traps they would have otherwise spotted, including spiked barricades designed to run through the pursuing Illyrians. The Macedonians would suffer only about 10,000 casualties, while Philip's forces would lose more than 35,000.

Alexander and Demetrius would commence their invasion of Illyria on June 3, heading a little ways north to escape Philips' small ships. But the Illyrians would prove why they were so fierce. They would harry Alexander at every turn, and as Alexander would say himself "There was no way to tell who was friend and who was foe. They would camp outside one village and see the women working casually with the older people. And next thing, you know, at night, they were harried by these very same people who had looked like innocent peasants. Besides all the false directions they were given to the main roads. Philip would confront Alexander on June 11, and bolstered his fighting strength by about 50,000 by finding more people

For the nextsix months, fightingwould continue fiercely, as Alexander struggled to bring in reinforcements from areas under his control, because there were a number of small insurrections going on in regions like Bactria, and Aria, so the corps there loyal to Alexander was having to exert it's resources to put it down, which would take nearly two years. Philip would have a much easier time as reinforcements were streaming in from Italy, as Pyrrus, with his brillant generalship, had subdued the entire peninsula. At one point, Philip's strength would number at 300,000

Time would tell Philip that he was not using his superior numbers effectively. Much of his army was in the hills and Alexander was heavily dug in on the coastal plain. The situation was quite uncertain.

Alexander would not sit back forever. He still remembered Pytheas, the general who had nearly defeated him, and he was starting to hear rumors of a possible seaborne invasion. So in January 287 BC, he would sail with about 200,000 and leave about 100,000 to confront the new agressive strategy of Chosroes, who had joined Philip.

He landed at Tarentum about a week and a half later and took that city in slightly less time. The Greek aristocracy, who had a lot of it's wealth stripped away by Pyrrus in compliance with Philip, who had detested their behavior, welcomed Alexander. The poor people, on the other hand threw stones, which cause Alexander to order them to be beat.

After placing the rest of Magna Graecia under his control in two weeks, he would send a large navy north to confront Pyrruso had set sail by this time. It would succesfully establish control, and force Pyrrus to head back to Phlipia[1]. Both sides would wait out the winter, and then they would head through the Italian peninsula to confront each other.

For the next two years, Pyrrus would score a number of major
victor agaisnt Alexander. He would fail however, to make Alexander withdraw, despite getting a 100,000 man boost by Philip. This would prove to be one of Pyrrus' major flaws: he had a harder time controlling large numbers of men, and After a number of indecsive battles, Pyrrus would score a decisive victory against Alexander on December 2 287 BC at Lake Regulum, and cause Alexander to withdraw south.

But in February 286 BC, the Bactrian revolt would be declared crushed, and Nicomedes, the Hellene commander
e west to aid Alexander in the period of about fivemonths. Despite that Pyrrus had driven Alexander almsot into Campania at this time, Nicomedes would be able to attack from behind with about a quarter of a million men. He reconquered the Etruria area in about a month, and would quickly move to attack Pyrrus from behind. In about two and a half months, Pyrrus would fight desperately to keep himself from being closed in, but in the end he would fail. He managed to survive with about a thouand men for a while, but he would be captured by a Greek patrol on November 15, upon which Alexander woulld order his summary execution, despite professing admiration for his skills.

Alexander by this time, had around 350,000 men to face Philip's army of around 500,000. The conflict would drag for a good three and a half years years without any headway being made. Both sides were proving to be exausted. Philip was failing to break through Alexander's fortresses in Latium, and Alexander was unable to acheive a good victory against Philip's massive force.

Finally in December 283, Alexander would manage to keep and hold much of Etruria. He held much of the plains, and he would then have a message sent, which taunted Philip, calling him a coward, and saying that he was afraid of flat places. Philip, enraged, launched an immiadiate attack on Alexander, but he didn't outnumber Alexander by enough to totally drive him back. And Philip was completely unexpecting a charge of 250,000 to come right after him. Phlip, would in the end, lose about half of his men. Many of his best officers, including, Chosroes, an Egyptian known as Ahmosi, and Glaukias, an Illyrian, would be killed, thus severely limiting his ability to carry an effective defense agaisnt a force that now slightly outnumbered his own(about 270,000)

Fighting would continue bitterly for a year and a half. In the next six months, Alexander sent some troops to hold the route to Illyria. But when Philip was nearly defeated near Phlipia, he would take his remaining 130,000 man army to Gaul instead. It would prove to be hard, as much of the populace there supported Philip. Needless to say, reoccupying this large country would not be easy, and fightin would continue another year, before Alexander, in mid 281 BC, won his last battle agaisnt Philip's Gauls.

But victory was by no means a sure thing. If there hadn't been an attack over the Bloody River by a tribe calling thimselves something like the Tetones, Alexander would have had to settle for a peace with Philip controlling northern Gaul. As it was, Philip would escape to Prettanike, and attempt an unsuccesful invasion five years after this. But more immdiately, Alexander would be set upon by the Tetones, who would succeed in driving him back to the land of the Parisii. After the neighboring occupying garrisons came to aid him though, the Tetons were driven back, and annhilated in a battle in the same area they had attacked Alexander. Alexander, by this time, very tired of battle, headed back and arrived in Tyre on September 19, while leaving a large occupying garrison

[1]It was only twelve years after the POD, and I concluded the divergences were pretty minor, as Epirus would be left to govern thimselves. But seriously, I've found out people like OTL figures, and I may try to insert a few more of these or their analogues, depending on the events that unfold
[2]Located where Ravenna is
 
An interesting civil war this Phillipian war, Alexander IV that the first time when you presented us this boy in a before post, I remember that me and Max thought this boy is not precissely the son that had desired Alexander, but although he is not the most tolerant man respect to other cultures and religions:D I recognised that I have some sympathy to Alexander IV, at least he seems have military skill.

Pretanikke, England of OTL, a site that seems attract the exiles that search to continue the fighting: Charles de Gaulle in OTL, Phillip in TTL.:D

The question of numbers, I recognise that at first see quantities of 500000 or 250000 as number of troops feared me because I thought if this could be not possible, but searching data for Gaugamela/Arbela battle the persians used 250000 in this battle in 331 BC, also I suppose the two contenders could use levee in masse in his respectives territories.

Interesting, interesting, as ever waiting the next segment with great interest:) :cool:
 
Yeah, it was All Alexander was able to bring bear. But don't forget, Philip also had a bunch of peasants fighting in his army. He is quite popular. The fact that it was so big helped leadto his downfall, and I think I mentioned the kinds of chracters that were attracted in the last segment.
 
Chapter 9: Cleaning up the mess and the third Indo-Hellenic war

As Alexander settled back down again, he was reminded by Demetrius that the west, partuclarly Italia and Illyria had been devastated by the brutal fighting and combat between him and Philip. The grape fields, considered for a while now to be the joy of the world, and big farms, had been burned down by Alexander to keep Philip from getting food from there. Philip, not wanting the farmers to starve, had failed to do so, a big factor in his defeat, that and failing to dislodge Alexander from the fields he controlled, even though his numbers were superior.

So Alexander, eager to ingratiate himself back into the hearts of Latins, Samnites, and others displaced by the fighting, gave enough money to several thousand farmers, so they could replant their crop with minimal difficulty. Though poor farmers were technically supposed to be included in this, their money was snapped up by the middle farmers and high farmers. The rich farmers would sometimes use extortionist tactics to get the money. In some cases, the poor farmers would be told they had to work to earn the right to be left alone. But, somehow, however much work they did was never enough, and they would remain for many years to come, and though their situation would improve under the Alexandrians Perseus, and Antipater, and the Italian Federation, established in 352 AD, there wouldnt be full aleviation, until the Samnite reformer, Pontius, came to power in a 1458 revolution, and succefully compromised to keep the country together.

Then Alexander would give small funding to public works projects designed to improve the quality of life in Gaul, Italia, and other places. Clinics, designed to help sick people, were opened. Some of them became known for using herbal remedies and other things ordinary people hadn't heard of. Needless to say, many Greeks scorned the remedies as ridiculous, and many kept to their own treatments, which we can safely say now, were often, completely ineffective. The Latin physician, Flavius Cornelius, once scorned in his time, for example, is now looked on as a great doctor.

Anyways, Alexander had been planning another campaign in India for quite some time, but would have waited about seven years, if he hadn't received news from Satarxes that Andhara had recently fallen under the control of Bindusara. Apparantly, not long after that, Bindusara decided that since Chera, Chola, and other southern kingdoms still remained officially in Alexander's orbit, he decided to invade them as soo as he could muster the forcs. The inavasion held about fifty miles south of their border, but Satarxes knew that Bindusara, who was a highly popular emperor, could likely mass the forces to eventually crush them, probably within the year

Alexander would hear of this in late 278 BC, and would organize force of about 200,000 within a month, so that on November 14, they would head to India and reach Matura on January 13. Deciding this was a good opportunity, Alexander would march eastward, taking the Kosala region where he had been defeated before, and woulo end up driving the Mauryan forces in the region farther and farther east. Despite valiant effort, including a failed plot to set a fire in Alexander's camp, Pataliputra, one of Bindusara's msot important cities would end up falling on September 17, not long after the moonsoon season abated. The next battle, near the town of Bodh Gaya, saw the death of Suseema, Bindusara's eldest son, who was probably even more unpopular than Alexander had ever been.

Needless to say, supporters of Bindusara that belonged to the Hindu sect Ajivika, basically what we would think of as socialists today, started riots and pointed out Alexander's poor treatment of Indians in his previous campaign there. Any resitance in recently conquered areas would prove to be disorganized and quickly isolated, if not crushed.

Bindusara, who was realizing he was likely in very big trouble if he didn't take his 200,000 man army, and confront Alexander, quickly sailed northeastward, but would have bad luck, as a storm sunk a small portion of his fleet, and the rest would end up beached south of Kalinga, a territory that had seen little of Alexander's initial maladministration, and thus were prone to revolts by local leaders who felt disempowered.

Despite that the last rajah's family had been completely massacred in
one 288 revolt, the popular local officer knownas Vanhara, would rally a fairly large group to attack Bidusara, who was down to 150,000 men by this time to face 175,000. After initial bloody battles resulted in a defeat for Vanhara, Bindusara would be able to press north to the Ganges delta to confront Alexander, who had nearly boxed in the remaining 75,000 Maurya troops in Vanga. Bindusara, when he reached the western Vanga town of Tamalipitri, was able to relieve the siege of it by Aeacides on October 28
fficer of Alexander. This would add 25,000 more troops. Bindusara would then commence a bloodybattle with Alexander on November 9, who due to being in a bad strategic position, narrowly withdrew through the Ganges, until Vanhara arrived. Bindusara would end up completely routed, and captured by Alexander. Bindusara would make no secert of the fact that he hated this man, who was essentially his oppposite:aristocratic and aloof, while he was affectionate and a general believer in quality. An officer known as Pytheas recalls the meeting between the two men in his memoir.


"They.... were glaring at each other with other anthema, as if though they could not underdstand the other's point of view. Alexander, dressed in a fine Macedonian' officer's uniform, with a mustache grown in an aristocratic manner sneered on, while Bindusara, wearing a simple robe, was clean-shaven, and was highly put off by his attitude. But in the end, we all knew he would have to surrender..."
from "My account of the Third Indian war" by Pytheas Saleh written in
269 BC

And indeed it was. Bindusara gave up his kingdoms's sovereignty, and agreed to go into exile in Dilmun, in a place Alexander felt like he could
easily be watched.The newly refomed Kalinga, and the Alexandrian Empire would each get a bit of the delta region, but Vanhara would feel resentment on not having gotten more. This would flare up six months later
into conflict.

But in the meantime, Alexander would sail south to stablizie the situation in Chera and Chola, which were on the verge of falling into chaos. The remaining Mauryan forces there immidiately recognized the surrender, but the Chola and Chera forces woudl attempt revolt. resulting in a surprisignly three-month conflict in which Alexander secured his position in Panhya while struggling to hold on to the situation in Chera and Chola. In the end, he would have to recognize new rajahs, but in Pandya,he had managed to secure his position, and had officially annexed it.

Barely a month after he conquered the Cyngalese kingdom in August
he would receive word of an invasion of the Ganges delta by Vanhara, whom while in a conversation about the inferior treatment he had received from Alexander, suddenly swore an oath to take the territory that was righfully his, after his friend, Meriganya called him a coward.

So Alexander would sail with a force of about 150,000 on September
15 276 BCto confront Vanhara. Vanhara could be almost said to be a better military man than Bindusara, so the battle on September 22 was by no means a sure victory. And indeed it wasn't. Vanhara was on the verge of driving Alexander from the delta when a charge by the calvay Companions helped break through holes in his lines and saved the day. Needless to say, Kalinga was annexed after the battle, with the previous Mauryan divisions being restored.

Then trouble flared up in Anhara. The region had been under the tenious control of about 75,000 men, but that was no where near enough, and Indian nationalists would soon react quick and revolt, nearly driving them out, but the Alexandrian forces were able to take secure positions in the north, but as the govenor, Khosrau, mentioned, they would driven out within three months, if reinforcements weren't sent immidately. So ALEXANDER would then head south with his army, and requested reinforcements from Satarxes and Setimosi, the govenor of Taxila and marched south to andhara.....


[There should be a narrative this evening i promise.​
 
Okay, maybe Inaki then since it'll take G-Bone longer I thinkand i'm too lazy to pm him. Give me a reponse when you see this G. Anyway, like I promised, here's the narrative in the evening. This time I've got an outro. And because pretty much the whole song could apply, I copied it all. I gave proper credit, so don't find somebody to fucking sue me.



in a misty jungle
somewhere in Anhara
December 13, 276 BC

"Damn these bastards!" remarked Demetrius, Alexander's most trusted officer, who had just ordered Egyptian laborres with the army to cut through the fallen trees. "They are determined to stop us to no end!" His particularly weathered face(he was around sixty years old) showed more than ever. He had fought in many campaigns streching back to Italia, where action agaisnt the barbarian scum from the north who had descended to loot a land they recognized was in disorder, proved him just as much a hero as his father Antigonus.

This, Alexander would look on, as he recognized in Demetrius's face, the face of an aristocratic man like himself, one who had no respect for the ordinary people, who were, in all honesty, uneducated and lacking a proper sense of manners that people in higher society cherished.

He though back to the recent battles in Andhara. It wasn't surprising when it turned out the Andharans had been expecting him, after he won two battles agaisnt them in the north, immidiately relieving Khosrau as it was reported the Andhrans retreating into the forest. What was surprising was with the veracity they had attacked on October 30, where the dense jungle had made fighting difficult, and the calvalry and elepahnts ineffective and traveled to the side, unless there were battles in open fields.


Which there were rarely, Alexander thought, as the pressure in his brain thretened to crush him. After being driven back, Alexander had sent units led by himself, Demetrius, and Orodes forward, realizing the enemy no doubt held several different positions. The problem was finding them, and guerilla warfare could be a truly trying exercise, as a senior officer, Ptolemy, whom he was pretty sure was older than Demetrius, recalled the hardships of the Nubian campaign. "But," he had said "there wasn't so many positions and so much land for them to hide.

Anyway, they had advanced forward in certain places, and had captured most of the main cities, but were simply failing to penetrate the hiding forces of the Andharans. Villagers giving false fdirections to swamps and other places were common, and trees, like then one that stood before them were also common. But slowly, they were starting to cut off the Indians' lines of supply, and making their task of resistance much more difficult. That would be confirmed from a captured Indian who said. " We are operating under much more limited capacity than we you first arrived, since you burned farms in areas of enemy activity, but you will regret it in the end!"

Quite suddenly, he would spot indian troops coming at them from lower ground. "Attack!" shouted Alexander. Afraid of being at the front as he often was, he only cautiously moved forward. He was surprised at the force which the Indians were attacking them. Their secret lines of communication were still effective, and they had moved a lot of troops to fight them.

There was much bloodshed, before Alexander himself was hit with a stray arrow through the chest. It was so close to the heart, he knew he would not survive, and his men were too busy fighting off the encouraged Indians. He knew then he would never surpass his father, and that he was just another mere mortal, and one who should have appreciated the contributions of all humanity more. These thoughts and more came rushing to his head, oddly enough, but he thought, why ought he to think this? Why should he change, since death was in his face, and his belief in the Gods was slowly declining? Then there was the other part of him that felt that reflected a certain amount of excessive pride on his part. As he faded away he muttered "Father, please forgive me.." as something came to his head that he did not recognize. It was probably those mushrooms that he had eaten an hour ago, but now he was starting to hear something that sounded suspciously like the uneducated people he depised trying to sing. Even why Alexander was trying to ponder this, his thoughts were fading."father...

Lynyrd Skynyrd: Free Bird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?
For I must be travelling on, now,
cause theres too many places Ive got to see.
But, if I stayed here with you, girl,
Things just couldnt be the same.
cause Im as free as a bird now,
And this bird you can not change.
Lord knows, I cant change.

Bye, bye, its been a sweet love.
Though this feeling I cant change.
But please dont take it badly,
cause lord knows Im to blame.
But, if I stayed here with you girl,
Things just couldnt be the same.
Cause Im as free as a bird now,
And this bird youll never change.
And this bird you can not change.
Lord knows, I cant change.
Lord help me, I cant change

This is one of my favorite fucking songs ever. Besides Slayer's "Raining Blood" Slipknot's "Get This." and Pantera's "This Love", "Fucking Hostile." and so on, one of the best, along with more old scholl metal I can't name right now. Agentdark, surely you're reading this, and I agree that Slipknot has gone downhill recently(though i like"Don't Get Close" and "Pulse of the Maggots") , but their old shit was seriously among the best ever, in my opinion. Slayer, of course, did it much better.​
 
A long busy weekend (in my city, Barcelona is also holiday the monday), sorry so by so long time until make a comment JP.

"But, somehow, however much work they did was never enough, and they would remain for many years to come, and though their situation would improve under the Alexandrians Perseus, and Antipater, and the Italian Federation, established in 352 AD, there wouldnt be full aleviation, until the Samnite reformer, Pontius, came to power in a 1458 revolution, and succefully compromised to keep the country together"

A glance into the future:) , interesting, it seems clear now that Alexander IV not will destroy the empire (there is at least two succesors Perseus and Antipater), although after looking his warrior skills I had the thinking that Alexander IV would be far better king that one thought the first time when JP introduced us the character of Alexander JR.

A great campaign of the India of Alexander IV, a pity that he has died in combat after making a good example of an authentic alexander the Great Campaign in India. I think that his father at least in the military terrain could be proud of his son.

A pity, also because Alexander IV was becoming a sympathetic and interesting figure:(

But well, now the problem of succesion, because his brother Philip is alive I suppose that Philip could try to take the throne.

Alexander IV has any son at the moment of his death?

In any case the succesion will be surely a very interesting segment.

"Okay, maybe Inaki then since it'll take G-Bone longer I thinkand i'm too lazy to pm him. Give me a reponse when you see this G."

Hmm, no problem, it seems that G.Bone fame of Great Master of maps has become universal:D , so he seems that he has a lot of orders from the people :D .
 
Yes, well it look like he isn't readin ghtis. I'ask him to do a map when the empire permanently splits, whic hi sproabbly where the Tl will end.Yeah, I mentioned his son once in a response to other things. the empire would have started to split in reponse to Alexander's contonue dabd treatement of the poor and Indians, he just hadn't had the time to perecute them effectively. But Arimaeas, or whateevr his name will be, understands how his father screwed up, and will try to make things better. But the next battle here will be a surprise.....This son might do some very odd things, but everyone will be betetr off for it, you jsut wait ans see.
 
One less reader

I debatred whether to tell you this or not, but felt you might be helped for the future.

After reading your post of 2 days ago with the numerous F-bombs, I cannot continue reading.

I had hoped that your language would improve, but it hasn't. I will not read such vulgarity. I disliked it but put up with it, and even offered my support, but now I must regrettably leave, and imagine my own ending to this thread.

There is a part of me that fears you will hate me, as they did back in Junior High. I even had friends - former friends - abandon me in my later teen years because I didn't want to join them as they started drinking and cursing and such. I have always been so gentle and loving and compassionate toward everyone, not having any such anger in my body. Heck, I even slept with stuffed animals in my early 30s for a time, before deciding to give up the practice of law and go into something with more eternal rewards.

However, I am typing this, and planning to send it, becasue I have begun to have much more faith than I used to. I have that inner voice that we all have telling me people will like me again, consistently, and not fearing the hatred that some showed on me then. The flashbacks fromt he emotional abuse are gone, and I can celebrate!

I only pray you will come to realize the great love of Christ, and His forgiveness, as I have. And, thank you for the entertainment of a great thread until I realized that I couldnt' stand that language anymore. I won't ask you to change now - but do know that you've lost a reader because of your attitude in throwing that vulgarity around.
 
deep in a remote, mountainous, meadow
southern Andhara
March 13, 275 BC


The scene was horrendous. There was much blood everywhere. It was far, far, worst than Argaeas could have imagined. His father had been visibly shakened by a similar scene in the battle whcih led to his untimely end, but personally, he had been sickened. The messy entrails of the Indians and Alexandrians were strewn through the meadow, buried beneath stumps and hanging off branches.

It had all seemed so glorious at first. Though Argaeas had felt a little shamed by his father's authoritarian policies, there had always lain the desire in his heart to seek glory, and become known as a great hero. The guerilla campaign had shaken him up, and convinced him that battle was not all glorious, partcularly where the Andharans used some hit-and-run tactics, and managed to injure many of their forces before retreating.


But still, even after many of these battles, he still had hope of scoring a great victory, perhaps by finding a way to trap them, and trap them in a corner. This process was already underway, since Alexander had started to limit their movements, and figured out they likely had one central supply base, and if that could be neutralized, taking out much of the enemy, that would severely incapitate ineffective enemy resistance, and they were much too holed up to recover. At first, Argaeas thought that must have been the chief reason for the desperate assault that killed his father, even though there had been two other attacks similar to it.

But he would realize how sorely mistaken he was after this awful battle. Arimaea had been expecting ambushes, and traps, but he could not possibly conceive of how fanatical an enemy can get when it has no hope and has some cause to sarifice for. Some of the infantry would stay near the swamps and the trees that were on higher ground than the main battle to keep any Andharans from escaping. They would succeed, but only the ones closest to the field in the center had any idea of the horror that followed.

Argaeas would lead a big elephant charge, while Demtrius provided support with calvalry, all while infantry engaged in the majority of the combat. The mass melee that followed was too horrendous to be described. Everybody was basically slaughtering each other in a valley that sloped from the surrounding jungle. At one point, Argaeas was ready to upchuck, but the basic instinct of self-preservation kept him from acting stupid, since several spearmen on elephants had nearly flanked him. He would be knocked off his elephant by an arrow, but luckily, he didn't break his neck, and victory was slowly starting to be within their sight, since the Andharan's elephants had been effectively taken out, they weren't able to finish him off. One of the elephant calvary officers Thutmose, had been able to organize a withdrawal of the elephants, which had kept Argaeas from being stomped into the ground by them, just before he was knocked out.

He was feeling utter despair at the moment, and thought that as soon as his arms were working again, he would run it through his jugular. Who cared that he had a kingdom to run, a three-year old son, Perdiccas that would surely be displaced with no strong leader to take command? He would give anything not to fight again, even if it meant a one-way trip to Hades.

Argaeas would at this point tell an Indian that was in Thutmose's calvalry, taken as a spy when Alexander wasn't looking. "I can never live with myself! To deal with this slaughter seems so utterly inane to me, I must die!" "Have you ever heard of Buddhism?" said the Indian Dahara. Arimaeas vaguely recalled his tutor telling him about it twelve years back, and it had sounded to him, for the tutor was Hellocentric, like some odd, Eastern mysticism crap. But now, he though that might be just what he need. His memory was a little rusty at the moment. "Tell me more" requested Alexander "Buddhism is meant to keep a soul at peace, with themselves, with the universe, and help an individual achve enlightenement..." Dahara would go on to tell Argaeus so much about Buddhism, including tolerance was a main factor in it. By the end of the conversation, Argaeus had made his decision.

The next morning, Argaeas would get up, on his good leg and hobble outside. "Everybody, come out!" he shouted. All the men would shuffle lethagicly out og their tents that hadn't woken up."What is it?" asked a common solider in a clearly irritated voice "Just so everybody isn't shocked later, I am announcing my conversion to Buddhism!"

p.s i had this idea since late march early april, so it's not just in response to the last post( I can't pull an installment out of my ass that quickly) None of you am yhave made the connection otherwise but I',m paranoid, okay? I was that way even before I started smoking pot at 13.
 
The rise and Fall of the Alexandrian Empire
Demetrius Donysus
(c 1998 Green Sea Publishing, Neo Daminoplis



Chapter 10: The Reign of Arigaeus the Peaceful

Even before Arigaeus went to Pella to be officially crowned Arigaeus III at 30, there was heavy opposition within his army to converting to some 'nutty eastern cult'. Demetrius, in particular, would protest at this. Arigaeus, however, was able to convince most of the rest of them that it wasn't blatantly contradictory to the Greek or Egyptian religions like Hinduism, and that, at it's most basic, it was more or less a guideline on how to live. Thankfully, almost none of the men wanted to hurt this fair-haired, sunburned man, and there were no big plots agaisnt his life.

After Arigaeus was offcially crowned in Pella on May 26 275 BC, he would immidiately have to contend with trouble in Gaul. Philip had launched an invasion of Gaul in the winter, and much bitter fighting had ensued. Reinforcements had been shipped in from the pacified east coast of Ibera to turn back the assault. The general in charge, a Latin Alexander loyalist known as Lucius Cornelius, was able to pacify the uprisings inspired by Philip, but Gaul was so big, it would take a long time and spend much men.

The result was, by 275 BC, Philip was still in control of much of northern Gaul, and a temporary peace had been called. Arigaeus would then head north, and in October, was able to arrange a meeting with the forty-two year old Philip, and offer him full amnesty if he and his troops would just lay down their arms and promise never to fight again. Philip, naturally, would not trust jsut anybody who made him this offer, but according to a letter written later to a friend.

"...I was so impressed by Arigaeus's sincerity, his gentleness, and total conviction in his odd peaceful beliefs, that I thought, why not give this man a chance, one who obviously is shamed by his father, to rule a truly just kingdom."
Philip to Arimlyn Janaury 13, 275 BC.

Philip would agree to the terms, even though his one son would tell him they were likely to be stabbed in the back, especially considering they were laying down their arms. But Arigaeus would remain true to his word, and imprison Demetrius and other known to be opposed to him. But Philip would nevertheless be murdered a few years later, at his home in Gaul. This would trigger a bitter blood feud by his children against his murderers, known to be working for rich landowners. This, as many know, would mark the start of what is known as the True Heirs of Argaed[1], the secret criminal organization that really emerged in the 500s marked by brutal killings, and endless slaughter.

Buddhism, as a religion, had already been making some headway into Persia, where about 3 percent of the population there was Buddhist by 296 BC. Alexander would quickly suppress it, but it remained as an underground cult, and even started to be practiced in Babylonia and Arabia. But now, with the official encouragment of the king, Buddhist monks started to travel abroad, and spread their message to the masses to places as far away as Gaul. Needless to say, they were often greeted with hostility, and murdered, despite edicts by Arigaeus promising death to any who killed them. There were sporadic revolts,, which were put down, but many were inspired by the kings message. In Persia and Mesopotamia, where the anethema wasn't as strong toward the monks, they would prove to be more succesful and eventually convert around 10 percent. This would later become the average in the empire, as the West would slowly start to accomadate more to it, as the hostility ceased, while in Persia, it would reach as high as 20 percent, even though the Zorastian elite tried to suppress it. Needless to say, as many of you know today, this would have incalculable political effects.

Arigaeus IIIs reign would thus prove to be among probably the most peaceful and blissful of any reign. But fear of atagonizing the Italian landowners would prevent him from making any major reforms. All in all though, the vast majority of the population would be in support of him, except for the revolt, by Arimaeas, a Greek stationed in Africa upset by Arigaeus' policies. But his isolation would prove to be his downfall, as he would be defeated in Magna Graecia on June 13 269 BC. Other than that, it was known for an increase in learning and the arts, which would help set the stage much later on.

Arigaeus III would die on January 17 236 BC. He would be given a massive funeral and everybody would turn up, and give many eulogies even thorugh many protests. His son, who had recently ascended to the throne as Perdiccas IV, would openly speak sadly about his father's passing and how he would be greatly missed. Privately, though, there was much disagreement on several issues...

1] ill need help with a good greek name for a mafia-tytpe organization.​
 
Hey! I found it!

Hey G-Bone, can you whip up a map for me real quick? Or if not, as soon as possible please

'kay - how much of Eurasia does Alexander rule?

Who is still around and/or not?

Specifically, where are the boundaries? (geographical and/or political)

Preference on Europe or the whole shebang?
 
I can see you don't read ecerythign like it seems on occasion:rolleyes: . But anyway, being the kind and bnevolent soul I am, I'll tell you. It has to be current, so I'll jsut say at this point, everthing from east OTL spain and all of gaul to south India is under the hegemony of the Argaed Dynasty(except for the far south and east, which recently reasserted indepedence as the kingdom Chola, south india, but ceylon is still under the hegemony. Magdha in east India, revolted last year, and gained independence. The map be the situation as of 230 BC. come to think of it thogu, yuo sure you want to so such a monolithic map. just the empire, not aanywhere else

and you aked me who is around? as of last installemtn, nobody. The sons of Demetrius still remain to stir up trouble, as the sons of Ptolemy bascially support the satus quo. I'm sorry, i''ll try to say more on the weekend. Sorry if it'm takin time out of your busy schedule, as i'm quite bust at the moemtn myseld

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I can see you don't read ecerythign like it seems on occasion:rolleyes: . But anyway, being the kind and bnevolent soul I am, I'll tell you. It has to be current, so I'll jsut say at this point, everthing from east OTL spain and all of gaul to south India is under the hegemony of the Argaed Dynasty(except for the far south and east, which recently reasserted indepedence as the kingdom Chola, south india, but ceylon is still under the hegemony. Magdha in east India, revolted last year, and gained independence. The map be the situation as of 230 BC. come to think of it thogu, yuo sure you want to so such a monolithic map. just the empire, not aanywhere else

and you aked me who is around? as of last installemtn, nobody. The sons of Demetrius still remain to stir up trouble, as the sons of Ptolemy bascially support the satus quo. I'm sorry, i''ll try to say more on the weekend. Sorry if it'm takin time out of your busy schedule, as i'm quite bust at the moemtn myseld
 
You posted twice...

But anyway, being the kind and bnevolent soul I am, I'll tell you. It has to be current, so I'll jsut say at this point, everthing from east OTL spain and all of gaul to south India is under the hegemony of the Argaed Dynasty(except for the far south and east, which recently reasserted indepedence as the kingdom Chola, south india, but ceylon is still under the hegemony. Magdha in east India, revolted last year, and gained independence.

So Germania, Switzerland, Poland, and France is under control of the Argaed Dynasty?

I understand Greece, Italy, Bulgaria, Persia, Egypt, but is there any limit?

Exactly where in East India is this new kingdom?
 
No. no, I meant south of the Alps. That was a mistake. The Alexandrian empire only extends east in the north to the Rhine River,so France is under their control. I don't really want them to stretch to much. Well, I' was thinking a current map, so in India, it would extens east to a point about a 100 miles west of the Ganges delta, and from there, it goes north tho the Himalyas, basically Magadha and Kalinga if you know where those are.
 
Just to the area of Carthage and Numidia. Hey, if you can't have it by next morning, how about just forget it, since some obvious territorial changes are about to take place, and the descendants of the current king Arigaeus, should soon start fighting among themselves in the next installment. Probably just India and OTl agghnaistan will be lost, my outline eventually ends up where there's chaos in Persia for example. But I'll have all the details tommorrow.
 
:confused:

Most of the blank maps that I do have on file are of Europe and the World not so much Eurasia....

Y'know y'couda just PM'd me if you wanted a map....
 
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