Alexander The Great doesn't die in 323 BC

Iñaki said:
But well there are limits too, for the moment I think according to alexander character the story is very plaussible although if in the future you says for example that Alexander is sailing to discover America in three ships, err.. surely there will a criticism because this is not plaussible even for Alexander:D
You got that right.:D
 
The life of alexander the great
Ptolemy Agrippa
published 275 BC


Chapter 11: The Roman-Samnite campaign


Alexander arrived in Trabbani on November 24. After brief ressitance he took the city. He then had Hanno, a Carthagnian officer whom Alexander had taken with him, write a note to Hamilcar,[1] the commander of Carthagnian forces in Sicily, that their city had accepted Alexander as their King, and that his army would be subject to annhilation if he didn't surrender. Despite the fact that Hamilcar had succesfully pushed the Greek forces away from Trabbani, they were still strong, and Hamilcar did not wish to face two enemies at once. Reluctantly, he surrendered. Alexander than split up his army through the corners of the empire to prevent him from reneging. Alexander marched through the Greek cities one by one, where he was able to negotiate tributes to be paid to him every year. At last, he arrived at Syracuse, where he met with Aphistocles, the tyrant of Syracuse. Aphistocles told him about the cities of Magna Graecia, and the two hostile powers possible to threten her, Samnium and Rome. Rome however, had recently been handed a defeat, and a five-year treaty had been signed in 321 BC. Alexander decided this would be a good oppportunity to take advantage of, but because of the coming winter, and more troops to take Italia, he decided wait in Syracuse, and send ships for news in the rest of the empire.​

In mid-January, he received his first news from Nubia. Apparently, a protracted guerilla campaign had nearly forced withdrawal of the forces there. A paticularly nasty battle in November had led to the death of Perdiccas, but luckily, Selucus had grown tired of waiting in Meroe, and had sailed south with the bulk of his forces. At his arrival, a brave egyptian known as Natemhotep, had rallied the troops, and they succeded in cutitng through the unarmored irregulars. The regulars were then fought off.
Selucus, acknowledged as the commander from that point on, and who was anxious to avoid making the Kushites more angry, offered amnesty, which was of course refused. He then built a fleet of ships to keep irregulars from crossing the river, which isolated the regular forces to the east side. He then tried to hold down the east territory closest to Meroe, in the hope of isolating the army. To try to starve them, he ordered farms in their area of active operation burned down, but not to discrminately attack civilians. These were often ignored.
But the Kushite army had been isolated. Only brigands and rogues operated on the other side of the river apparently. Selucus predicted the war would be over in another month.
Alexander had been outraged and sickened at the atrocities that he heard had been inflicted on both sides. He felt like going to Kush himself, but luckily one of his old friends pointed out the unfinished work in Italia.
Then 6 week later, another ship arrived with news from Bactria. The great Indian ruler, Chandragupta Mauryan had apprently succeded in seizing all of western India, depite Craturus' best attempts to hold him off. He then apparently had concluded peace with him, not wanting to risk a long war with Alexander. This didn't change the news from Arabia, where apparently Indian pirates had taken to disrupting shipping there, and occasionally raiding the ports. Alexander was able to assemble troops from Greece, Phonecia, and Persia to augment his troops strength.​

Before sailing to Magna Graecia, Alexander then sent a message to the consuls of Rome, asking for an alliance against Samnium. The two consuls at the time Marcus Folius Flaccinatoand ucius Plautius Venno were desperate for a way to beat the Samnites and they agreed.​

At Magna Graecia, he was greeted with cheers in Tarentum, and was able to get all the cities there to pay tribute, and leaving small numbers troops
there. After getting small augmentations of his forces there, he began his march up the peninsula. The exact details of his campaign, I can't tell you. If you want that go read "Great Military commanders of History" by Ahmed al-Sadr. But suffice it to say that the Samnites proved tough nuts to crack. Despite Roman attacks from the north, Alexander had to concede that the Samnites were tenacious fighters. They tried to hold off his advance at several points, but Alexander saw through it all, and had taken all of Hirpini by June. The Samnites initially gained momentum by launching fierce counterattacks against the Romans, at one point invading Volscia. But finally, the advance of Alxander so far into the heart of their territory, forced them to withdraw their troops from there. The Romans seized their chance,and invaded and conquered the Sidicines. At one point, the Samnites seemed to
succeedin driving Alexander back at Campania, but it turned out ot be a trick,as the Samnites were eneveloped by troops under the command of Ptolemy, wiping out more than half of their forces. The Samnites still continued a stubborn resistance for a few weeks, until Alexander had completely occupied them. They then sued for peace, agreeing to have half of their territory taken by the Romans, and the other half by Alexander.​

Not long after this, Alexander made a demand to the Romans, demanding the surrender of Neapolis as a free city. The Romans refused and Alexander declared war. The initial advances by Alexander were frenzied, taking all of Volscia, Marsia, and Palignae within a month. The Romans made a a surprising counterattack in the northeast region. Alexander calmed down and sent Ptolemy to deal with this, while he himself waited several weeks before marching through Latium. The Romans had most of their troops ties down in Marscia, and were somewhat surprises. At this, several Etruscan cities defected to Alexander, and together, they marched on Rome. Rome, suprisingly enough, took longer to fall than Alexander expected, just long enough for reinforcements to arrive. The Romans at this point had decided to abandon the northeast, but it was too late. On September 5, Rome surrendered. Alexander than "rewarded" them by burning their city to the ground, and selling their citizens off for slavery. He managed to get most of the Etruscans to submit to his authority by thretening the same thing. The ones that don't, wershortly taken care of.
At this point, there was an invasion from Cisalpine gaul who had come to take advantage of the war. Alexander was able to fight off the tribes with his outnumbered army. After reorganizing, however, he headed north and defeated the Gauls in a few big battles. When the Gauls came to surreder to him, it was clear he inspired respect in them. They agreed to submit to his rule, while Alexander took one of them to be his wife. On September 18, Alexander decided to sail for Nubia, to size up the situation there. He built a port, and embarked.
[1] I made a mistake when I said Hannibal. The general's name was actuallly Hamilcar. Probable double post​
 
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Originally posted by johnp
[1] I made a mistake when I said Hannibal. The general's name was actuallly Hamilcar. Probable double post

Correct, double post, no problem:D

Well , I like the post about roman-samnite campaign:):cool: (delenda est Rome by Alexander, this man is capable of make authentic blitzkrieg against persians, arabs, carthaginians, samnites and romans - in fact personally I think the only possible real adversary apart of Chandragupta could be the died by an illness Memmon of Rhodes that understood the Alexandrian strategy, a pity for the Persian Empire that he dies by illness in august 333BC)

I suppose the samnites not take the same treatment as the romans because at the end not siege of Bovianum (his capital) but the romans I suppose would have a siege of their capital Rome? (I think this is the most probable reason to burn his city by Alexander Rome surrendered only when Alexander takes the city, instead it seems samnites surrendered before a siege of Bovianum, a little difference but sufficient to rise the rage of Alexander)

Originally posted by johnp
On September 5, Rome surrendered. Alexander than "rewarded" them by burning their city to the ground, and selling their citizens off for slavery. He managed to get most of the Etruscans to submit to his authority by thretening the same thing. The ones that don't, wershortly taken care of.
At this point, there was an invasion from Cisalpine gaul who had come to take advantage of the war. Alexander was able to fight off the tribes with his outnumbered army. After reorganizing, however, he headed north and defeated the Gauls in one big battle. When the Gauls came to surreder to him, it was clear he inspired respect in them. They agreed to submit to his rule, while Alexander took one of them to be his wife. On September 18, Alexander decided to sail for Nubia, to size up the situation there. He built a port, and embarked.

John, from september 5 to september 18 there is only 13 days of difference, I think honestly that this not makes Alexander a blitzkrieg man more better a superman:D not jokes apart I think the difference of time is too much narrow for being plausible, so Rome surrendered 5 september, burning the city 6-7 september, confronting etruscans and making treaties with them I suppose minimum 15 days (there was a lot of etruschan cities they were a league not a central state), invasion of gauls and confront them more or less 15 days, invading gaul territories, winning battle and making treaties with them 30-60 days minimum (the gauls are ferocious warriors althoug the fame of Alexander also count to after winning the big battle want to make quicky peace with Alexander but I think against gauls a minimum of 30 days of campaign) and after well build a port, building a port is not so easy and I think a lot of difficulties to build a port it is better for Alexander I think to embark from a port already existent like Tarentum or Neapolis, but this to arrive to port and to embarking minimum 15 days-30 Alexander has to move from north Italia to Tarentum and Neapolis and prepare the troops, but for this moment have passed from 5 september more or less a minimum of 75 days-90 days so is December (but it is not possible that is september Alexander is a great genius but not a mix of Superman and Flash:D) and I suppose is possible that Alexander decides to stay the winter in Italia.

Originally posted by johnp
while Alexander took one of them to be his wife.

Hmm,... A blonde Roxanna, typical of Alexandrian character this decision(although is very possible to his mother dislike a lot about this new wife, but well is Alexander the great first Roxanna of a tribe in the actual Afganistan now a gaul from a tribe in north Italia, first a brunette after a blonde :D

Very interesting post john:) but be careful with the days and the number of days for a campaign (remember Alexander is not Superman:D is a great man with an authentic metod for the ancient lighthing war but not so fast to make after the fall of Rome in 13 days a campaign against etruscans and gauls and returning to a port city that normally including Alexander would last 75-90 days minimum)
 
Okay, there may not be that much to this, but I promise there'll be a lot more next week. If you think there's things I could add to it to make it more better or complete, please let me know.


The Life Of Alexander the Great
written by Ptolemy Agrippa
published 275 BC.

......So on December 18, Alexander then headed south from Cisalpine Gaul. He left several men with the instructions to build a port on the east coast. He tried marching along the coast. After wintering in Neapolis, he then set sail for Egypt. The situation he was to encounter in Nubia was so convoluted, he would be at a loss at what exactly to do.

Chapter 12: The Nubian situation
Alexander arrived in Alexandria on April 11. After getting some provisions, he sailed south until he got to Syene, just below the first cataract on April 27, then he marched the rest of the way, along the river. He and his group of companions arrived in Meroe on June 4.
Selucus would be there , apparently having defeated Kushite remnants, after chasing a small amount into the highlands. Selucus had forced the last ones to surrender, however, on September 17 . When Alexander arrived, Alexander would than all of the Kushite prisoners he captured executed. And any soldiers that were found to have indiscrimainately killed Kushites were executed. Also, he was somewhat troubled by Selucus' ambitious manner, so he tranferred Selucus to a governorship of Dilmun. He hoped this would limit Selucus' ability to serously challenge him. Antiochus his son was than given control of Cyrenaica.
Alexander at this time was extremely frustrated and angry. Despite that Meroe itself had given little resistance, the stories he was hearing told of vicious attacks by Kushite irrregulars. He then decided to check out this land himself to see what sort of 'atrocities' a Macedonian private had meant had been committed agaisnt the Kushites.

To say he was shocked and enraged would be an understatement. Though the statement that 'all of the jungles on the west side of the Nile have been burnt down' proved to be an exaggeration, the patches that were missing were, needless to say, highly noticiable. One soldier estamated that about one-sixth and one-eigth of the jungle had been burnt down, though that still might be considered an exaggeration from the reports of a Greek geographer with Alexander's companions. He said it was closer to one-eleventh. And when Alexander got to see some villages, he was quite angry to see productive farmland burnt to a crisp. After running into some starving Kushites, they would then start screaming about how their land had been destroyed and how they were forced to raid larger towns for food. They were found to be unarmed, except for hunting knives after being searched. Apparently, all of their arrows had been spent. Alexander would than spend quite a lot of time on the east side, since nearly everybody on the west side was hostile, to say the least, to try to return to their farmaland. Needless to say, this was not easy, as news of atrocities had spread, and it had had its fair share of massacres as well. But after finding some people willing to help the west farmland become productive again, with the help of a few agriculturists, that would arrive in a month, a lot of the villages were again said to be settled. The west side would prove to be rather troublesome. Alexander had fought off a number of brigands while on his course there, and gave orders for them all to be executed. So that continued, as the west side was struggled to be settled.

Alexander tried to show that he had great respect for their culture, as he did in other places by visiting the royal burial grounds at Napata, and worshipped at a number of shrines of Nubian gods. This took quite a while, and Alexander finally left the country in September, not wishing to go through an unessary red-hot sun, and left Natemhotep in charge, who was one of those who realized that cooporation would hurt the least if at all He then sailed for Thessaly, so he could assess how things were going in Macedon.


near a Kushite village
317 BC




Alexander was possible more enraged then he had ever been, and that included the sacking of Persepolis. He was looking at burnt patches in jungles that were simply beautiful. From what Selucus had said, the Kushites had often mutilated troops that had been captured, so that when they retreated, and companies of troops tried to pursue them, there would often be dismemberment. Of couse, the way Selucus had looked at Alexander while speaking to him had a way of making him rather nervous about Selucus's wanting of power. Despite the fact that Selucus was one of the few officers who had been happy with his Persian wife, and despite his fairly good conduct of the Kushite campaign, Alexander decided he might end up dangerous in the future, and had sent him with a small group of solsiers to Dilmun, a place where it would not be in Selucus' best interests to go against Alexander.

But in any case, what had happened here was simply too much, even for people that had since than done things to deserve it. Alexander's blood was boiling hotter than it ever had, even before the sackings of Thebes, Persepolis, and Rome. Despite the fact that the Kushites were more dark-skinned than any people he had seen, which had attaracted the ire of quite a few of his northern soldiers. Alexander had these soldiers thrown in the brig, awaiting further punishement for their remarks, because the truth was, he would never discriminate against someone based on skin color. Ever! Even if their level of civilization wasn't quite as advanced as the Greeks and Persians, there was still no right to degrade them because of it.
None of this changed Alexander's anger at atrocities inflicted on the Macednians, as no brigands and rogues found to have attacked them were taken alive. But Alexander, nevertheless, saw the ruins of a village and could tell, that at one time, the land had been quite prodcutive, and had had a fair amount of people working it.
After about 30 minutes, of leaving the village, they ran into a group of half-dozen Kushites, whose leader started to rant ". You scum have destroyed our land. You all will rot in the underworld. You all are a bunch of rapists, fire-freaks.... We have had to raid places closer to Meroe to get food, since no one will ome here....."


"WAIT slow down!!" shouted Alexander and gave the speaker a nasty cuff across the forehead. "The people who did this have been taken care of." "You think that's enough!!" shouted another Kushite. "Do you have any idea how tired we are running and hiding every day. We want our damn country back!" "To the best of my ability, you may eventually have your villa...." But more of the Kushites cut in, and Alexander talked with them for a long while before covincinf a few of them to help rebuild their country. Thankfully, they didn't have weapons other than hunting knives, and bows only good for hunting, and nearly all of their arrows had been spent. So Alexander than continued on his occasionally hearaching but mostly enraging jouney.

Questions? Comments? Compalints? Sowmthing missing?

 
There was a mistake with Antiochus btw. He wouldn't be old enough to be in the army at this point. I'm not editing it until I get some other suggestions, though.
 
Nice to see this new installment:)

As I say I like a lot this kind of narration that you made (mid history, mid novel):cool:

And respect to Antiochus well yes it is a child in these moments, but well suggestions about an alternate man instead Antiochus you can prove with a son but not of Seleucus instead of Antigonus, Demetrius (named Poliorcetes also in OTL) he has 20 years at the moment and is a good warrior, so for the possible service to the great Alexander I give his name and a curriculum from OTL in this wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_I_of_Macedon
 
Nice one Inaki! I think I may have streched the plausibility envelope a little bit with his character, but like I've stated before, I'm not going for the most likely of events. The Demetrius reference is great. That could make that fictional character that ratted on Cassander real! Too bad I can't edit after a certain amount of hours or something. I'm not sure of the rules.

And I would like to see a little more reponse, on any part of the TL. If anybody else is concerned about certain parts, please let me know. I know between 100-150 people a week are reading this. I like feedback. It'll help me to do a better job on the next installment, though I already have an outline for it.
 
I just checked the date of birth on that wikipedia article Inaki so kindly provided a link to, and unfortunately, Demetrius would be too young at that time to be serving with the army.

And, on another note, why do I have a feeling that more people aren't looking at this because I'm a n00b, who seems to seek attention at points?I'm not sure why personal dislike would be a reason not to look at my TL, which admittedly could have more, but I guess that's how it goes in some quarters
 
Interesting TL, although I would expect things to start going badly for Alexander at some point. He was talented; he was not omnipotent.

I'd expected the Romans to do better (esp. since the legion was better than the phalanx); perhaps a particularly bad defeat at the hands of the Romans is Alexander's version of the obliteration of Varus's legions and the two divide Italy between them.
 
Originally posted by johnp
I just checked the date of birth on that wikipedia article Inaki so kindly provided a link to, and unfortunately, Demetrius would be too young at that time to be serving with the army.

Well he was born in 337 BC, so he has now in 317 BC 20 years (Alexander for example in the battle of Chaeronea in 338 BC in which he helps his father Filipus only has 18 years), so I suppose also because it is the son of Antigonus, a good general of Alexander, this could give him an opportunity with 20 years.

Altough is true I don´t know if could be that 20 years is an age too young to serve in the army in the ancient times (althoug we have the example of Alexander with 18 years in the battle of Chaeronea)

Originally posted by MerryPrankster
Interesting TL, although I would expect things to start going badly for Alexander at some point. He was talented; he was not omnipotent.

Hmm could be Chandragupta could give some defeats to Alexander

Originally posted by johnp
And, on another note, why do I have a feeling that more people aren't looking at this because I'm a n00b, who seems to seek attention at points?I'm not sure why personal dislike would be a reason not to look at my TL, which admittedly could have more, but I guess that's how it goes in some quarters

John don´t worry about this. I don´t think that is a question of personal dislike, only that surely:

1. As say Dominus in former posts, some people prefers to not make comments if see that the timeline is good (I am a very enthusiastic person referring to the alternate timelines so I am a little an special case)

2. Competence and competence of another timelines.

3. I suppose with n00b you refers newbie, well surely, it is possible than veterans could have more attention in their timelines (although I personally think that a good timeline is good because the theme, the enthusiasm of the person that writes it, the plaussibility and the imagination (without making it a lot of implaussible although if the timeline is a lot of interesting I could make some exceptions -in your case I see it plaussible and imaginative-:) ) but not for personal dislike only because well veterany could be considered a degree of confiance to see a timeline by some people.

4. And also not all the people likes all the themes, surely there will persons that because are not fans of ancient history, or prefers ATL of World War II and so on, they not read your history or make comments

So, don´t worry and continue please:)
 
MerryPrankster said:
Interesting TL, although I would expect things to start going badly for Alexander at some point. He was talented; he was not omnipotent.
Keep in mind that I want Alexander to do good. And like Inaki said, he might be handed some defeats by Chandragupta. I'm thinking use of numbers in regards to more elephants, and maybe a surprise maneuver might cause something like that

I'd expected the Romans to do better (esp. since the legion was better than the phalanx); perhaps a particularly bad defeat at the hands of the Romans is Alexander's version of the obliteration of Varus's legions and the two divide Italy between them.

Sorry. Alexander is far too clever for something like that, and besides Varus was a poor commander, completely unfit for being appointed commander of a frontier region. And the legion is only better than the phalanx on non-flat territory. Doesn't mean that Ptolemy hasn't had any defeats in the Marsian territory or that Alexander struggles to win when reinforcements arrive during the siege of Rome,but they eventually are outnumbered
rust me though, Alexander realizes the Romans have something going, and will adopt it in a couple years
 
The Life Of Alexander the Great
Ptolemy Agrippa
published 275 BC
Chapter 14: The Inter-war period
Alexander arrived in Pella on November 10, where he was greeted with great cheers. News of his 'liberation' of Magna Graecia had spread fast,and there had been marches, parades, and festivals held for several weeks. Upon Alexander's arrival, more parades would commence for a week. Alexander would than have his nine year old son, sent to Tyre to
get "more exposure to other cultures" afraid of him being too Hellocentric
ntioned that a son, Philip, was born to Alexander and Ricni[1] a couple of months prior. Disputes between Philip and his older half-brother Alexander, relating to Alexander's supposely Hellocentric behavior
e ignited tensions that have continued to the present day, but the great king, Alexander[the Fourth] shall prevail in his campaign in South India.
Alexander longed to conquer more lands, but after finding out another campaign could trigger a revolt, what with taxes still high, he decided he could wait.
And now, there was many more olives and grapes availble to be made into olive oil and wine to be shipped to Arabia and Persia from the west. In turn, dates and spices flowed into Greece and the west without much fear of trade restrictions or piracy, at least at first. But we'll get back to that. First we must talk about an explorer, whose stories of regions seemly out of reach, would enchant Alexander, and establish an outpost which would later become a place where Philip would attempt to recruit soldiers from, and where prophecy says an explorer will eventually discover the land rumored to have been seen by Phonecian sailorsand more than thrice increase the importance of what he had discovered, a real "land of milk and honey".[2]

A more detailed biography of this explorer Pytheas is written by DionichusIt gives a real insight into the man, what he explored, and why he did it. Pytheas' own deacription of his travels On the Ocean isn't half-bad
either.But anyways, here's a brief summarization of his travels Pytheas had discovered these islands apparently even far northwestward than the land just west of Italia. He named them Prettanike, taking the name of the locals. He reported that the southwest corner of the eastern island was a major source of a metal known as tin. He also mentioned the inhabitants of Thule, who made a drink from wheat and honey, drank milk, and ate fruits. The grain grown was threshed in barns because of the cold. He also reported about the icy far north, the forbodiness of it of which Alexander was amazed, and of a small island that was a source of amber.
Alexander had been organizing a campaign at the time Pytheas had returned to Greece in 320 BC. As Alexander returned though, he would the hunt him this man whose exploratons he had partly funded
down and demand the whole story.
Needless to say, Alexander was quite amazed, but rather disappointed at the distance of these lands from the rest of the kingdom, and that these people weren't apprently too civilized to be worth conquering. Nevertheless, despite objections relating to distance, Alexander ordered a trading post constructed in the Damni area, as it was known to the natives, later asceratined to be related to the people of North Italia, and the area just north of Thrace.
And now, it must be said that all was not well. Commerce was slowly starting to pick up, but was apparantly being subject to the depredations of Illyrian pirates. Alexander would take this opportunity in 313 BC, to lead a sea-based invasion, since a land campaign was likely to drag on longer than Alexander wanted. The Illyrians were expecting more of a land campaign and were defeated in roughly three weeks. Alexander than announced that the frontier of the empire extended to the Ister river. He would order fortifications developed to defend against any hostile tribes that migth cross the river. While returning, Alexander would come across pyramids. When asking what they were doing here, he was told some practiced sun worship here.
After securing Illyria, Alexander turned his attention to Bithynia, a kingdom that was able to assert it's independence in 322 BC only because Alexander was distracted by a revolt, and continuing instability. Bithynia hadn't been foolish enough to pick a fight with Alexander, but it prevented the Bosporus kingdom, on the northern shore of the Pontus, from becoming a client state of Macedon. Rather niggling, but Alexander decided the western Greek cities were more important. And the officer stationed in the region had unfortunately failed in an attack on Bitynia, setting it back a little while
So Alexander launched a campaign that lasted nearly two weeks, and with the small size of the kingdom, the leaders Bas and Zipoites were quickly defeated. Alexander would, around this time, also take his younger son Philip to Tyre for a few years. And there was still India Alexander was thinking about. He would have waited another two years, but word would reach him in 10 months the death of Seleucus in action agaisnt pirates, and action would quickly speed up from there.....

[1] Unfortunately, the only Gallic name I know is Vercitognix( spelling it wrong) which is why this a shortened form of a Latin lookning name.
[2] This is referring to America of course. I couldn't resist sticking that in:D
But it's genrally thoughtat this time it's Atlantis

By the way, does anybody have any idea how the campaign against Alexander and Chandragupta would play out? I don't know anything about ancient Indian military organizaion, so any help here would be greatly appreciated. I have some basic ideas, but I might need the help of someone
more knolegable about Indian military.
'll have a narrative sometime tommorrow.
 
Waiting with anxiety the duel Chandragupta-Alexander:)

Respect to ancient indian military I found this in an ancient history forum:

"All Indian armies had four divisions, the Caturangabala. #These divisions were the elephant, chariot, cavalry, and infantry. #The infantry included the archers.

Warfare in ancient India centered around the chariot. Indian chariots were nothing like the light, sleek chariots of Egypt. They were massive, made of wood and iron, and intricately decorated in gold. They had four wheels, and typically held two men-the charioteer, and an archer who also had a weapon for hand to hand combat. This archer, standing on the chariot, would be a good six or more feet off the ground, giving him a significant advantage over enemy infantry. Some chariots held more men, the largest could hold seven men. Indian chariots were so large and heavy that they required four to six horses to pull them. Unlike Egyptian chariots, which moved quickly and fired arrows into the enemy ranks, Indian chariots often charged right into melee battle. They crushed enemy soldiers under their wheels, trampled them under the horses, all while the soldier(s) on the chariot fired arrows into them, or fought it out hand to hand.

No description of India’s ancient military is complete without mentioning the elephant. India was the first nation to use the elephant in battle (~1500BC) and the last nation to stop using it in battle (1800’s AD). Wars were frequently fought over territories that had a great deal of elephants. Elephants from the tip of south India and Sri Lanka were the most prized as they were considered the fiercest in battle. Often times, a king’s wealth was measured in how many elephants he owned. A single Indian prince might own more elephants than all of Carthage. According to Kautilya, the army of the Indian emperor Chandragupta Maurya had more than 21,000 elephants. War elephants typically were heavily armored. They had a castle like structure on their back where several warriors and a mahout, who guided the elephant, would be housed. The number of warriors varied anywhere from one to six warriors, and would be armed with an arsenal of weapons, bows and arrows, long lances, javelins, tridents, and a variety of polearms. The elephants themselves had long daggers or swords, sometimes several feet long, attached to their tusks.

The way in elephants were used in battle varied widely as well. One common tactic, used by Porus at the Hydaspes, was to place the elephants a distance apart, anywhere from 40 to 100 feet. These elephants would act like mobile fortresses, where the rest of the army could rally around. Another common tactic, probably the most dangerous and effective one, was to use the elephants to directly assault enemy lines. The elephants would be arranged in a wall formation, and be heavily armored in iron or steel from head to foot. Long steel swords, often coated with poison, would be attached to their tusks. The mahouts would then drive them forward in a coordinated charge, wreaking havoc in enemy ranks. Archers or lancers on top of the elephants would pick off enemy soldiers as well. One king even went as far as to train his elephants to swing heavy iron balls on chains with their trunks. The very sight of a wall of heavily armored elephants charging, whirling huge iron balls with their trunks, their tusks tipped with poisoned swords, the soldiers on the elephant wielding enormous lances, would often cause the enemy to break ranks and flee.

The cavalry in Indian armies were usually all or nothing. #Those that used cavalry were some of the finest horsemen in the world. #Those kingdoms that used cavalry only as support troops usually did not have noteworthy cavalry. #Probably the finest horsemen in India were the Rajputs, from the deserts of the northwest. #The Rajput cavalry was extremely skilled, and man for man, was more than a match for the Arab and Mughal cavalry, as they proved several times. They were lightly armored, and moved extremely swiftly. Armed with a light curved sword and a small circular shield, they could charge, circle, flank, and fight with incredible speed. Many carried bows and arrows, and were expert archers. The Rajput army was almost entirely composed of cavalry, and were powerful enough that they were able to keep the Muslim forces in check for many years. In the other armies of India cavalry were also used, sometimes in large numbers, but rarely were they equipped with bows and arrows. Their role was either to protect the elephants and chariots, or to charge into melee battle.

The bulk of the Indian army, and most other armies in the world, were the infantry, or foot soldiers. The infantry were equipped with a huge variety of weapons, which differed hugely across India. Probably the most common weapon was the sword, but even this came in hundreds of shapes across India. Indian archers used a bow similar to the English longbow, in that it was as tall as the person using it. However, Indian bows were also recurved. These bows were famous for their great power and range. #Armies in India were typically larger than those of Europe. It was common to see armies of hundreds of thousands fighting on the battlefield, even thought the kingdoms themselves might be small in size. As infantry formed the majority of the army, a typical battle would look like a sea of infantry and cavalry fighting, while the chariots and elephants stood out.

India was one of the first nations to implement tactics, divisions, and formations. Armies did not simply rush out onto the battlefield; there were commanders who carefully put their massive armies in intricate formations. Some formations were: Chakra (wheel) Vyuha, Suchi (needle) Vyuha, Chayana (hawk) Vyuha and Mala (garland), and Garuda (eagle). Another one I read about recently was the lotus formation, where the archers would be on the inside, and the infantry and cavalry would be arranged like a lotus flower, protecting them.

Their armor differed greatly as well. Some kingdoms, especially in south India wore no armor, because of the extreme heat. Others wore tough sturdy armor, made of interlocking iron, steel, and leather plates. Many warriors wore no armor, but instead wore silk clothing. This actually worked to block arrows, which couldn’t penetrate the silk fibers.

Ancient India has been home to many unique weapons. The world’s first all steel bow was made in India. Some other weapons from the subcontinent are the famous kukri knife, the bagh nakh, or tiger claw weapon used by assassins, tridents, the long handled mace, swords, axes, and spears of all shapes and sizes."

I expect this can help you:)
 
Deep Cover - Dr.Dre feat. Snoop Dogg


Tonight's the night I get in some shit, [yeah]
Deep cover on the incognito tip.
Killin' motherfuckers if I have to,
Peelin' caps too, cause you niggas know I'm comin' at you.
I guess thats part of the game,
But I feel for the nigger who thinks he just gonna come and chance things
With the swiftness, so get it right, with the quickness,
And let me handle my business, yo.
I'm on a mission and my mission won't stop
Until I get the nigger maxin at the top.
I hope you get his ass before he drops.
Kingpin kickin back while his workers sling his rocks.
Coming up like a fat rat.
Big money, big cars, big body guards on his back.
So it's difficult to get him.
But I got the hook up with somebody who knows how to get in contact with
Him.

outside a tavern
Hecamptylos
Parthia Satrapy
January 17 313 BC

Tagiralcipaltra Nasigracharips (hereafter to be known for brevity's sake as Tagira about to enter the tavern known as the Dancing Iranian[1]. It had been a quite cold journey, barely getting over the Indo-Bactria Pass[OTL Khyber Pass] before winter, and getting through freezing blizzards elsewhere, on top of being attacked by an opportunistic gang of theives and barely escaping with his life.
He snorted with disgust. Why the hell would Demetrius want to meet him somewhere that wasn't close to India? There would obvously be difficulties, but Demetrius had insisted on this well-known Parthian tavern. The Taxilan was glad in any case, that he would be spending the night in a decent, warm bed, not the hard ones in the third-rate inns he had slept in in Bactria and Aria.
Tagiracontemplated the title of the tavern as he entered and felt the warm air from the fireplace Depite that it the people of Parthia and Persia were more commonly known as Persians, he had heard from a Bactrian in Alexandria that the people of this Zorastrian region called themselves Aryans or Iranians, and were rather irritated at all the Greekscalling them Persians. Indians had used a similar name for centuries, so TN thought there was no complaining.
Tagira got a beer, and was given it by the barmaid, whose big and surprisingly white breasts were quite tintillating. Then he sat down at the table where he saw Demetrius sitting. Demetrius was a tall handsome-built man who in every way reflected the image of his father, Antigonus, the govenor of Babylonia
"Do you have the report, Tagira?" requested Demetrius in a sharp voice. "I do, m'Lord" said Tagira. He sipped his beer, which he found to have a rather interesting taste before continuing. "Chandragupta Mauryan knows that Alexander will strike agaisnt him sooner or later. So he is preparing for a preemptive strike sometime in the next few years."
"Why doesn't he try to control the piracy that disrupts commerce in the Arabian Sea?" Demtrius than demanded. " He thinks it will help slow down economic activity, leading to higher taxes and a slower mobilization in the event of war. And now, back to the subject. Chandragupta knows the Indo-Bactrian pass will be heavily fortified, so he is thinking of a
sea-borne invasion of Carmaniathrough Gedrosia.""Well, it sure makes sense. From what other spies have said, this Chandragupta sounds like an audacious commander. I'll try to give notice for the the amount of ships in the Harmozia harbor to be increased." responded Demetrius in a reasonable tone. "And here is your pay." said Demtrius, pulling out a gold bag from behind him, and giving it to Tagira. "Farewell, and may the gods smile down upon you." He went to the front door and left.
Tagiratook a big swig of the beer, and suddenly erupted with laughter. Demetrius had no idea he'd been played. As soon as the satrap of Carmania received this report, he would likely pull many of his troops into the satrap capital Harmozia, thus leaving minimal resistance for the land-borne invasion. Let Alexander try to stop them when they have already advanced halfway into Persis. And Tagira was pretty sure that his real boss, the govenor of Taxila would agree with Chandragupta that Alexander would likely think of Mauryan as just another opponent, but with big elephant armies. And he figured Alexander would not think of Chandragupta to march through the same deset as he did.
All this Tagira was thinking as he stumbled out the wooden front door, and being quite drunk at this time, headed the wrong direction to the inn, and instead of going on a street, he went into an darkalley. There, he suddenly cursed,as he was attacked by two men. He would swear even more when he would find out the next morning that his money was gone! He would however get back okay.

Questiios? Comments? Complaint? (Forthcoming after that rap intro, I have a feeling)
 
First of all, I am sorry John to not answer until now, I am an absolute absentminded:eek: sometimes.

As I say you I like a lot this kind of narration (mixture of novel and history book):cool:

Originally posted by johnp
(Forthcoming after that rap intro, I have a feeling)

Adequate:), very adequate. no doubt that Chandragupta and the governor of Taxila seems that it could hit the Alexander empire with a big dagger in the back of Alexander Empire.

Could be this is the moment to make clear in the history to Alexander that sometimes could find a man that is as strong as you and that if you underestimates this man you could be defeated.

So king Chandragupta of Magadha could show Alexander a taste of his own medicine (the risky but succesful heterodox alexandrian tactics).

No doubt that Alexander will find a great adversary in Chandragupta.:cool:

Waiting with great interest the next installment (I suppose the beginning of the war of Chandragupta against Alexander:cool: )
 
Thanks for those links, Inaki. I'm not sure if I'll have the time to look through them, but I might try. I did get a brief glimpse at the Poltava one, which I have seen before, but didn't have the time to really look at it.
 
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